This guy's so shy he's never kissed a girl

[drsmith]

I think most of you are forgetting im only 18... its not like ive wasted away my life.. there will be many years of great sex once im married.

Of course, that's the plan.

The trouble is that life rarely goes according to plan. It's about taking opportunities as they present themselves as there is only a finite number of these between where you are now and the grave. What's worse is that we have no idea what will happen tomorrow. You could be waiting and then "clunk" you are hit by a bus or similar at the age of 25.

What happens when we do turn our toes up. There is no evidence to suggest that our spirit or soul goes on in some form nor is there a god or gods in the form described in the various religious manuscripts written by people. It's hard to accpet that the lights just go out at the end of your life but until I see actual evidence otherwise that's what I believe. If not well that's a bonus.

That's not to say there is not life beyond our own planet superior to our own or even in a form we cannot comprehend but religion is a human invention. It does nothing more than provide a set of rules from which a group can live together. In that context it is just a another hierarchical structure. It's downfall is that all the burden of accountability is on the followers and there is none on the leaders.

 

[Solly]

Yikees, jono maybe right.

THE average British man or woman has slept with 2.8 million people - albeit indirectly, according to figures released to promote awareness of sexual health.

"It's important that people understand how exposed they are to STIs..."

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,,26118921-5005369,00.html

 

[Julia]

I am probably going to go into surgery... probably in cardiothorasic or neuro... However, if I were a GP or gyno.. it is the role of the doctor to be objective in the treatments that they provide and to not impose any of their personal beliefs. As I have stated earlier... these are my personal views and I have no intention of converting anyone here on this forum. This would also be the case if I was a doctor. I would handle the consultation objectively...

Last time I checked.. doctors didnt give sexual advice, im sure thats for therapist. But as for the latter 2 - sexual contraception or termination I have no objections towards either. People may argue that they are killing life or what not but as stated in the bible.. every life is planned. If the child is being terminated, it was God's intention in the first place. But as for advice.. i would say what is medically appropriate and nothing else.

OK, reassuring answer, thank you, jono. I think your sort of preciseness would see you fit in well with some form of surgery as a career.

Remember to be respecting his decision here and not making fun of him...he has been kind enough to share his life and opinions on the topic.

Yes, very good point.
jono, although I don't agree with your position, it's none of my business.
I do, however, admire your willingness to defend it honestly and to be prepared to in continuing politeness go on answering all the challenges and questions put to you. Good for you on that score.

 

[Solly]

jono, these are the evil ones to avoid.

Just posting here as an information brief.

Researchers, who surveyed 3000 women aged 18-50, found on average they slept with eight men, but were drunk with at least five, and on two occasions couldn't remember the man's name the next day...

It's from the Herald Sun so it has to be true:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26117724-36398,00.html

 

[jono1887]

jono, these are the evil ones to avoid.

Just posting here as an information brief.

It's from the Herald Sun so it has to be true:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26117724-36398,00.html

Hahah.. yea, would be good they came with a label : jks.. but from the Herald Sun, such a great source

 

[windy]

Solly, good article, thanks for posting it. Last night on ch 7's "Sunday" program, there was an segment on Generation Y's binge drinking habits. I found it deplorable and sad, that society is going to lose a generation to becoming juvenile delinquents.
In these days, it is not surprising to find such open opposition to Christian living. Jono,Your way of living may be a rebuke to their manner of life, and if it is, by all means remain faithful. Your critics are probably testing you to see if you have the strength to hold out. God has given you an opportunity to put your faith to the acid test. Be faithful, and you will be rewarded.
Nothing destroys a marriage quicker than comparing previous sexual conquests.

 

[Mr J]

Last night on ch 7's "Sunday" program, there was an segment on Generation Y's binge drinking habits. I found it deplorable and sad, that society is going to lose a generation to becoming juvenile delinquents.

Yes, we're going to take society down with us. Fear your old age .

 

[drsmith]

Solly, good article, thanks for posting it. Last night on ch 7's "Sunday" program, there was an segment on Generation Y's binge drinking habits. I found it deplorable and sad, that society is going to lose a generation to becoming juvenile delinquents.
In these days, it is not surprising to find such open opposition to Christian living. Jono,Your way of living may be a rebuke to their manner of life, and if it is, by all means remain faithful. Your critics are probably testing you to see if you have the strength to hold out. God has given you an opportunity to put your faith to the acid test. Be faithful, and you will be rewarded.
Nothing destroys a marriage quicker than comparing previous sexual conquests.

My position on this has nothing to do with seeing if Jono or anyone else for that matter has the strength to hold out.

There are many aspects of Christian living that provide a sound foundation for successful group society but harsh restrictions on our most basic instinct is not one of them. This has more to do with enhancing the power or religious leaders over the followers.

 

[jono1887]

My position on this has nothing to do with seeing if Jono or anyone else for that matter has the strength to hold out.

There are many aspects of Christian living that provide a sound foundation for successful group society but harsh restrictions on our most basic instinct is not one of them. This has more to do with enhancing the power or religious leaders over the followers.

It is not difficult to resist temptation.. it not a complete restriction on this 'basic instinct', its just that you have to be married to do it..

I still do not see how this gives power to the religious leaders..

Nothing destroys a marriage quicker than comparing previous sexual conquests.

Well with no previous conquests... anything is good : won't have any complaints..

 

[drsmith]

It is not difficult to resist temptation.. it not a complete restriction on this 'basic instinct', its just that you have to be married to do it..

I didn't say complete restriction. This would be counter productive for any religion in any case.

I still do not see how this gives power to the religious leaders..

They are dictating and you are abiding by their terms on the only physical act that can lead to human reproduction. For presevation of the species that is our most important function. This demonstrates a lot of power over an individual even though it may not be obvious to that individual.

Once married are you free under your religion to use contraceptives to manage the number of children you have or is this to be managed by abstinence when you don't want children ?

Well with no previous conquests... anything is good : won't have any complaints..

Sex before marriage is not necessarily about conquests.

 

[jono1887]

Once married are you free under your religion to use contraceptives to manage the number of children you have or is this to be managed by abstinence when you don't want children ?

there's nothing in the bible about contraception.. i have no idea why the catholics are so against it.. i have no problems with it... no need for abstinence

 

[Solly]

there's nothing in the bible about contraception.. i have no idea why the catholics are so against it.. i have no problems with it... no need for abstinence

jono, I asked a believer mate of mine about this and he sent me this verse;

"He [Onan] when he went into his [deceased] brother's
wife, spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother's name. And therefore the Lord slew
him, because he did a detestable thing" Genesis 38:8-10.

Not sure if it's relevant.
I suppose you just gotta make sure you don't spill your seeds.

 

[Tink]

Geez Jono, they still hen pecking lol

In these days, it is not surprising to find such open opposition to Christian living. Jono,Your way of living may be a rebuke to their manner of life, and if it is, by all means remain faithful

well said windy

 

[jono1887]

jono, I asked a believer mate of mine about this and he sent me this verse;

"He [Onan] when he went into his [deceased] brother's
wife, spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother's name. And therefore the Lord slew
him, because he did a detestable thing" Genesis 38:8-10.

Not sure if it's relevant.
I suppose you just gotta make sure you don't spill your seeds.

Copied and pasted... but this is my interpretation of the verse..
Genesis 38:6-9 -- The sin of Onan:

This passage describes how Tamar's first husband Er was killed by God because he was wicked. Under ancient Jewish tradition, Er's brother Onan was required to marry and engage in sexual intercourse with Tamar. Widows were not asked whether they wanted to remarry. In many cases, the woman would have experienced the sexual activity as a form of rape -- something required by tribal tradition which they had to endure. Similarly, nobody consulted the widow's brother-in-law about his wishes in the matter.

Their first son would be attributed to Er. Because any offspring would not be considered his child, Onan decided to use a common and relatively ineffective contraceptive technique to prevent conception. He employed "coitus interruptus". That is, he disengaged from Tamar just before he ejaculated, and "spilled his semen on the ground." (NIV) God was displeased at this action and killed Onan also -- presumably because he refused to follow Jewish tradition.

This passage was used until recent decades by some Christian groups who maintained that Onan's sin was actually masturbation. The term "Onanism" was coined as a synonym of masturbation. This interpretation is no longer in common use.

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essentially, Onan had to sleep with his brother's wife and the child would have the rights to his brother's estate. Onan did not want this happen and wanted to have his brothers estate. So he had sex with his brothers' widow but made sure she didnt get pregnant. This is what got him killed not the spilling of seed or masturbation ...

Geez Jono, they still hen pecking lol

well said windy

yea, seems like they are...

 

[Solly]

jono thanks for your reply, this is very similar to my mates interpretation.

I share more of a Richards Dawkins outlook on things but have some good mates who share a similar view to you. These different views make life interesting, stimulating and invigorating.

 

[jono1887]

jono thanks for your reply, this is very similar to my mates interpretation.

I share more of a Richards Dawkins outlook on things but have some good mates who share a similar view to you. These different views make life interesting, stimulating and invigorating.

Very true, its the differences in the world that make life interesting..

 

[Sir Osisofliver]

Wait so you're studying to be a doctor and you said

considering the female anatomy is designed to push out a baby... i doubt that they are as 'tight as a fishes bottom'

This was in response to someone making comments about sexual incompatibility IE you're hung like a horse and she's as tight as a fishes bottom.

Of course the above statement is an overgeneralization in both directions..

Unless you are very unlucky you are not hung like a horse. If you ARE hung like a horse I suggest the number of potential partners you could draw you future wife from has now been drastically reduced.

As for the female anatomy being designed to push out a baby...I invite you to ask any female you wish if they think they could fit your entire forearm where the babies come from. Of course women push out babies, but remarkably only at very specific times of their life and things that were stretched...tighten up.

My first girlfriend and I had a bit of a problem with our equipment not being standard gauge fittings..trust me...the relationship did not last.

Cheers

Sir O

 

[Mr J]

My first girlfriend and I had a bit of a problem with our equipment not being standard gauge fittings..trust me...the relationship did not last.

Good comment. I feel anyone who is waiting until marriage is greatly underestimating the importance of sexual compatibility. Not just compatitable parts either, but similar drives and tastes. I hope it works out for you Jono, but you're not stacking the probabilities in your favour.

 

[overit]

Good comment. I feel anyone who is waiting until marriage is greatly underestimating the importance of sexual compatibility. Not just compatitable parts either, but similar drives and tastes. I hope it works out for you Jono, but you're not stacking the probabilities in your favour.

Exactly. You might wait 2years or whatever then get married to a girl who is into chains and whips and all kinds of freaky stuff! Good luck if your into that kinda thing but you might also run a mile. You can never judge them. Some sweet and innocent looking freaky girls out there. I have some of there videos if you want proof. :

Of the few religo's that I know who held off having sex until they got married, most ended up getting married after a few months of their first date. I guess they didnt want to break their rules so had to move things along a bit quicker. The whole lot of it is over-rated if you ask me.

 

[jono1887]

Good comment. I feel anyone who is waiting until marriage is greatly underestimating the importance of sexual compatibility. Not just compatitable parts either, but similar drives and tastes. I hope it works out for you Jono, but you're not stacking the probabilities in your favour.

I don't think I've underestimated the importance.. its just not the main factor in determining if a relationship will work or not.