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Duckman#72 said:
Munga - imagine how good your forward line would look if you had Hooker and Bradley as the "tall timbers" and Solomon on a flank. ;) Add Houli in the midfield for speed and McVeigh for the in and unders. You guys would be flying!!! You wouldn't even miss Hill and Palmer who you traded to Essendon.

Duckman
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tell you what duckman we will give you sandilands and peake for ryder, hooker and your 1st round draft pick. what a deal maybe then we might start to win some clearences
 
munga said:
tell you what duckman we will give you sandilands and peake for ryder, hooker and your 1st round draft pick. what a deal maybe then we might start to win some clearences
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If you throw in Hasleby....along with Sandilands and Peake, I would concede Ryder, Hooker and 2nd Round Draft pick.

Unless Ryder gets some decent backup and career management by the Bombers- his development is going to be stuffed. Week in week out he is getting worn into the ground.
 
Duckman#72 said:
Unless Ryder gets some decent backup and career management by the Bombers- his development is going to be stuffed. Week in week out he is getting worn into the ground.
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Geez mate, you make it sound like we are trying to destroy him on purpose

Hille out injured all year and Laycock out all year.

Bock is a long term project player who is skinnier that a praying mantis and would be severely injured if subjected to senior football.

Hooker has been his back up as have a couple of other players here and there but Hooker was also spent last week and had to be rested and we couldn't play Bellchambers as he was suspended by the VFL tribunal

What do you suggest we should do?

If anything the added responsibility has finally shaken some of the casualness out of him and helped him develop his game more than anything.
 
I agree with Real1ty one, this year will be good for Ryders future, it will and has matured him as a player, and he is no longer as casual as in previous seasons. Next year with Hille back, and having Ryder as back up will be a great ruck combo.

Trav
 
Real1ty said:
If anything the added responsibility has finally shaken some of the casualness out of him and helped him develop his game more than anything.
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I don't entirely agree. I think Ryder has had 1-2 absolutely sensational games this year, followed by 4-5 very good games, but the remainder of the year has been tired, lethargic and with minimal impact.

A lot of that is not Ryders fault - he has had to wear the brunt of the ruck work. My point is that the match committee's eyes lit up after the Anzac Day game, and they've tried to ride Ryder home to the finals since then. Bellchambers hasn't been used much, IMO because they wanted to make finals and weren't so interested in developing a young ruckman.

Has Ryder improved and developed as a player this year? You bet he has, but don't judge him on 4 great games midway through the year as a baramoter as where he is at.

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
I don't entirely agree. I think Ryder has had 1-2 absolutely sensational games this year, followed by 4-5 very good games, but the remainder of the year has been tired, lethargic and with minimal impact.

A lot of that is not Ryders fault - he has had to wear the brunt of the ruck work. My point is that the match committee's eyes lit up after the Anzac Day game, and they've tried to ride Ryder home to the finals since then. Bellchambers hasn't been used much, IMO because they wanted to make finals and weren't so interested in developing a young ruckman.

Has Ryder improved and developed as a player this year? You bet he has, but don't judge him on 4 great games midway through the year as a baramoter as where he is at.

Duckman
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The part of your criticism i can't understand is that you are acting like Ryder hasn't had a back up, he has, Hooker.

Your original statement was this
Unless Ryder gets some decent backup and career management by the Bombers- his development is going to be stuffed. Week in week out he is getting worn into the ground.
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Now imo, you actually didn't know Bellchambers was suspended and were complaining about him not playing the week we dropped Hooker for a rest.

As for the other weeks when Bellchambers could have played consider this.

In the games he did play this year as a back up to Ryder here are his stats.

He averages at 1.5 kicks, 3 handballs, 2 marks and 7 hitouts a game.

He can virtually only play as a ruckman, although he can go forward and kick a goal here and there but our forward line has been pretty slow as is and he would mostly rest on the bench.

Compare that to Hooker, who is very versatile and while not as good a ruckman as Bellchambers offers a hell of a lot more option.

Here are Hookers stats

4.8 kicks, 10.8 handballs, 5 marks and 2.8 hitouts a game and rests as a defender and helps to provide some run out of defense.

Bellchambers was also injured during a game and missed 4 weeks due to a knee injury and has now played back in the VFL for 3 weeks and imo will be selected this week but that is just my guess.

My point is that the match committee's eyes lit up after the Anzac Day game, and they've tried to ride Ryder home to the finals since then. Bellchambers hasn't been used much, IMO because they wanted to make finals and weren't so interested in developing a young ruckman.
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Should we not try and make finals?

Should we play a bloke that gives us very little other than winning a few taps so we can rest Ryder and miss the finals?

Why has Clarke from Brisbane been able to ruck the same amount of time as Ryder by himself with assistance from Brennan and Ryder can't?

Has it hurt Brisbanes chances at making the finals?

Ryder has a lot of talent but very little desire to push himself and give his all. He needs a rocket up his ass but we can't give it to him atm unfortunately.

Against Clarke on Saturday he allowed him to run into our defense cutting off leads and taking goal saving marks while Ryder trotted around doing sfa.

So i ask you, considering Bellchambers injury and suspension would you have played him in front of Hooker for the games he has been available in?
 
Real1ty said:
The part of your criticism i can't understand is that you are acting like Ryder hasn't had a back up, he has, Hooker.

Why has Clarke from Brisbane been able to ruck the same amount of time as Ryder by himself with assistance from Brennan and Ryder can't?

Has it hurt Brisbanes chances at making the finals?

Ryder has a lot of talent but very little desire to push himself and give his all. He needs a rocket up his ass but we can't give it to him atm unfortunately.

Against Clarke on Saturday he allowed him to run into our defense cutting off leads and taking goal saving marks while Ryder trotted around doing sfa.

So i ask you, considering Bellchambers injury and suspension would you have played him in front of Hooker for the games he has been available in?
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Hi Realty

All good points, but I don't think you can compare Brisbane's ruck combo to Essendon. Clark is more like a "true ruckman" or primary ruckman. Ryder is more comparable to Brennan in agility, flexiblity, etc.

To me Brennan is much more like Ryder - a good backup ruckman. Once Hille comes back they will make a good combination but Hille is your "Bigman". So Essendon has a "backup ruckman" in Ryder playing the primary ruckman role with help from Hooker and whoever they can get (including Lucas!!)

I had been saying all through the year that despite the low stats Bellchambers was quite serviceable around the ground. I know that Bellchambers has had injury problems and has been suspended but that doesn't explain all the weeks he hasn't been chosen. Using Bendigo form to select the Firsts is garbage. The sooner Essendon cut their ties and go their own way the better. It is an embarrassment for the club.

As an Essendon supporter I have been burnt by "flexible, utility" players such as Mark Bolton and Kepler Bradley as too often they are good enough to play many positions but not good enough to own one.

To answer you question - yes I would have played Bellchambers more often during the season. I thought his run of games in May was very encouraging. I'm not in Melbourne (or Victoria for that matter) so I'm not privy to what is going on at the club but my opinion is that they just said to Ryder - "you ruck the majority of the game". Too many times this season I've seen Watson and Hocking contesting ruck contests!!!

You also mentioned that Bellchambers can really only play ruck and maybe go forward. Well our forward line has hardly set the world on fire? It could have been worth a shot.

My view isn't too far from yours Rea1ty - sounds like you think Ryder can develop a lot further yet.

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
I had been saying all through the year that despite the low stats Bellchambers was quite serviceable around the ground. I know that Bellchambers has had injury problems and has been suspended but that doesn't explain all the weeks he hasn't been chosen. Using Bendigo form to select the Firsts is garbage. The sooner Essendon cut their ties and go their own way the better. It is an embarrassment for the club.

To answer you question - yes I would have played Bellchambers more often during the season. I thought his run of games in May was very encouraging. I'm not in Melbourne (or Victoria for that matter) so I'm not privy to what is going on at the club but my opinion is that they just said to Ryder - "you ruck the majority of the game". Too many times this season I've seen Watson and Hocking contesting ruck contests!!!

You also mentioned that Bellchambers can really only play ruck and maybe go forward. Well our forward line has hardly set the world on fire? It could have been worth a shot.

Duckman
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Maybe Matty Knights keeps an eye on the ASF!!!!

As if on cue - this weeks inclusion...........Tom Bellchambers.

Duckman
 
sammy84 said:
It really is great to be an Essendon supporter :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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How good was that win!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D

Why can't they play with that commitment every week???!!!

Watson - again outstanding. I am astounded by his development into a elite ballwinner. His ability in heavy traffic is brilliant. B & F for sure.

Hope the injuries to Ryder, Fletcher and Dempsey are relatively minor.

And.......if you can let me indulge a tad........ well done match committee for picking Bellchambers!! He provided decent support for Ryder, and became very useful in the last qtr when Ryder was injured. His position around the ground was very good and he could have made a bigger impact on the score board if the players were used to looking for him (Neagle and McVeigh).

Duckman
 
Good win, but lucky in the end to get away with it. Loosing Ryder hurt us in that last quarter. Still in with a shot of the finals if we can keep the momentum over the next 2 weeks.

Trav
 
Proud Bomber supporter here

Kind of ironic that the team that last attempted and went close to going through a season undefeated has thwarted the latest team to attempt the same feat.

If this is a sign of things to come, that loss to the Bulldogs took the pressure off the Bombers and they went on to win the Premiership. Maybe the Saints may follow the same path.
 
Essendon at their best, StK off their game?

Watson is really turning into a great player isn't he. Having he, Stanton, Prismall and Lovett running about looks pretty good.

Now we just need a captain who gets a touch, and a FF and CHF. Must change to Hille next year, or Stanton. I think the back half is shaping up and will cover Fletcher's slide.

Looks like a nice recovery is shaping up.
 
great win guys
got a new deal for you
how about the entire freo team for ryder and your no 1 draft pick
or is that asking to much
 
A fantastic win, but remember this same team lost to Richmond and West Coast just weeks ago. Just putting things into perspective... :p:

But it does seem things are on the mend down at Windy Hill. Best of luck for the finals boys. My team won't be there...
 
kennas said:
Essendon at their best, StK off their game?

Watson is really turning into a great player isn't he. Having he, Stanton, Prismall and Lovett running about looks pretty good.

Now we just need a captain who gets a touch, and a FF and CHF. Must change to Hille next year, or Stanton. I think the back half is shaping up and will cover Fletcher's slide.

Looks like a nice recovery is shaping up.
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Essendon only had 6 touches after the first 5mins of the game. Saints completely dominated the term (but didn't show it on the scoreboard - although they went out to a 20 point early lead).

Essendon beat exposed St Kilda where it hurts - contested possession. As Gav pointed out, this is the side that lost to West Coast and Richmond only weeks earlier. Those losses were extremely disappointing, not just from a result point of view, but from an attitude and hunger viewpoint. It seemed that Essendon were only "fair dinkum" against the Tigers with 10mins to go.

The Bombers were "switched on" basically from the start against the Saints. They wanted to win more. They played tough accountable footy - pressure, pressure, pressure.

The "young age" of the Bombers told in the end (although injuries played a part), but 3-4 goals of St Kilda came from Essendon kicking backwards, backwards, backwards and getting locked in.

So to answer your question - Essendon played very well and in the main outplayed St Kilda in the key criteria (tackles/inside 50's/contested possession).

In my opinion St Kilda's biggest problem was hubris. Not content with resting 7 players in one game - they then started the game with key defender Sam Fisher at full forward as an "experiment". Soon after Essendon got out to a 14 point lead he switched back to defence but to me that gave an insight to what sort of game they thought they would be up for.

Hurley looks a great player. He took a great mark one-on-one with Reiwoldt at a crucial point in the last quarter. No easy task. Before being injured Fletcher was easily controlling the backline. His "slide" will no doubt come but there is no evidence of it yet. Gerard Healy made the comment yesterday that Fletcher was still one of the most effective defenders and counter attackers in the AFL. Kennas, he kicked one of his special 60-65m goals from the centre square last night.

Duckman
 
munga said:
great win guys
got a new deal for you
how about the entire freo team for ryder and your no 1 draft pick
or is that asking to much
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Munga, Freo cost me the prerfect round on the weekend. I actually watched some of your guys playing and the deal is off the table. Freo are #@$%.:eek::eek: I might be biased, but does anyone else out there think Kepler Bradley is worth continually perservering with?

I am starting to think special Bravery Awards should be given out for the Queens Birthday Honour list to all Docker members.

Duckman
 
duckman have a offer for you

i purchased tickets to the freo/bombers match this weekend
why i dont no but u guys are a shoein cause everytime(surprised)
i go freo lose.

if you want them i will post them to you delivered by kepler and sol
and maybe harvey (jury is still out)
 
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