More Religious Nuts

[gooner]

I think we've already established sufficiently that anyone can be a nut, and kill and torture in the name of anything or nothing.

Not aware of any killings in the name of atheism, but happy to be corrected. Religion and communism appear to hold the Gold and Silver medals

 

[weird]

Not aware of any killings in the name of atheism, but happy to be corrected. Religion and communism appear to hold the Gold and Silver medals

I don't think anyone has done anything in the name of atheism except publish books. Null point.

The concept of atheism, perhaps may have been one agreeable argument to some serial killers, angry husbands/wives, non-religious 'nuts', and just your garden variety general criminals which had another person accidental death happen or any other variation.

But I am sure there were a few other emotions going through their head which lead to the butchery, other than the grand concept of life and its amazement, and why it's wrong to play the role of executioner.

 

[Bobby]

I don't think anyone has done anything in the name of atheism except publish books. Null point.

The concept of atheism, perhaps may have been one agreeable argument to some serial killers, angry husbands/wives, non-religious 'nuts', and just your garden variety general criminals which had another person accidental death happen or any other variation.

But I am sure there were a few other emotions going through their head which lead to the butchery, other than the grand concept of life and its amazement, and why it's wrong to play the role of executioner.

Sheezzz weird , you got to tell us the induction requirements to your church

 

[weird]

Sheezzz weird , you got to tell us the induction requirements to your church

lol, Bobby, I am a Catholic, and read and understand everyone's criticisms to it, on other threads. I believe there is enough information already available on the web to respond, otherwise go see an f#$@ing priest (yup we are allowed to swear).

 

[Bobby]

Lil, Bobby, I am a Catholic, and read and understand everyone's criticisms to it, on other threads. I believe there is enough information already available on the web to respond, otherwise go see an f#$@ing priest (yup we are allowed to swear).

Thanks for the reply , at least you have the guts to say , nice to see a godly person swear , bless you my son

 

[weird]

Thanks for the reply , at least you have the guts to say , nice to see a godly person swear , bless you my son

That's an interesting comment Bobby, about being a 'godly person', which is actually what most practicing people battle against the most. Hence we seek forgiveness for failing.

I think being a godly person, is not about perfection, but reflecting, and trying to improve oneself, but also understanding that some people can be such dicks (not reflected to this forum, but real life), but yet being able to pray for them, but still not without protecting yourself.

 

[wayneL]

Not aware of any killings in the name of atheism, but happy to be corrected. Religion and communism appear to hold the Gold and Silver medals

I stand to be corrected, but I believe The Soviets forcibly enforced atheism and killed to that end... i.e. banned religion.

Perhaps the Khmer Rouge as well?

 

[Bobby]

That's an interesting comment Bobby, about being a 'godly person', which is actually what most practicing people battle against the most. Hence we seek forgiveness for failing.

I think being a godly person, is not about perfection, but reflecting, and trying to improve oneself, but also understanding that some people can be such dicks.

Yes you have a point there !

Although I'm a atheist I do remember an event back in the 70s when I was a half believer, one night when doing the business with a young woman I'd picked up at a wine bar I said help me lord , needed some help being so pissed

From memory it went like this ' Oh lord up above , give me strength for one more shove , then a voiceOh son down below move over & give GOD a go .
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Well I was blown away , would you like to know more ?

 

[refined silver]

Not aware of any killings in the name of atheism, but happy to be corrected. Religion and communism appear to hold the Gold and Silver medals

Every communist atrocity IS in the name of atheism. Militant atheism is at the heart of communism.

The atheism provides the rationale for the atrocities. There is no Judgement Day. Life is just matter, random chemicals. Evolution is survival of the fittest. It's nature's way.

 

[bellenuit]

Every communist atrocity IS in the name of atheism. Militant atheism is at the heart of communism.

The atheism provides the rationale for the atrocities. There is no Judgement Day. Life is just matter, random chemicals. Evolution is survival of the fittest. It's nature's way.

Utter nonsense. Atheism purely means one doesn't believe in a God. Nothing more. There is no agenda associated with it.

The fact that some communist dictators tried to ban religion is a power issue. Because of the influence religion had on people, it was seen by them as a threat to their absolute power. The only allegiance allowed was to them selves, not to any religious group or ethnic group.

Atheism makes no statement whatsoever about what other people believe or don't believe. It is only a statement about one's own belief.

There is no such thing as a fundamentalist atheist, a phrase that was used in a previous post. What on earth is a fundamentalist atheist? An atheist doesn't believe in God. A fundamentalist Atheist? He really really really doesn't believe in God!

Should an atheist try to impose his views on others, than that is a personal power issue and nothing more. There is nothing in the statement "I don't believe in God" that states or implies anything beyond those simple words.

 

[wayneL]

bellanuit,

Your point is arguable. Turn the thing around and many religious atrocities come down to issues of power as well.

I think some atheist CAN rightly be described as fundamentalist, these are folk who:

actively proselytize for the athiest... umm, cause.
are offended by religious beliefs
use logical fallacy to support their views, words and actions.

For instance, there was a series of ads on the London underground and buses last year advertising atheism, paid for by Dawkin's mob.

All the hallmarks of fundamentalism there.

N'est-ce pas, bellanuit?

 

[wayneL]

bellanuit,

BTW, are you named after the duet, or visa-versa?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd3_8AfOFFg

 

[Sean K]

I agree Athiests can be fundamental in a sense. Dawkinsesque.

But atrocities in the name of Atheism? Nope.

It's just humans being humans with nothing extraterestrial or mythical attached.

 

[Tink]

It's just humans being humans

I would have thought you all would have opened a gun debate by now..

'Gun nuts'....Lets all ban hunting.....I mean, they are all dangerous with that gun arent they?

Is it the gun that kills people, or is it people that kill people?

Its the same debate..

 

[ktrianta]

While you are busy arguing semantics, the rest of us are here to discuss our opinions, which are obviously based on our own points of reference.
Now, the question is do you believe that killing people in the name of religion is right or wrong? If right, why? If wrong, why? But don't tie up the board with all this other crap!

Darkside,

Clearly you cannot tell me what is right or wrong so how can I answer your question?

 

[Sean K]

I would have thought you all would have opened a gun debate by now..

'Gun nuts'....Lets all ban hunting.....I mean, they are all dangerous with that gun arent they?

Is it the gun that kills people, or is it people that kill people?

Its the same debate..

Yes, people will always kill people.

Let's just not arm them to do so then.

Less damage that way.

 

[Tink]

Yes, people will always kill people.

Let's just not arm them to do so then.

Less damage that way.

OK well then you better shut down all the Mental Health Units then, seems to be a big reason as well........

 

[Sean K]

OK well then you better shut down all the Mental Health Units then, seems to be a big reason as well........

Sorry, I thought you were making an analogy to religion being the cause of violence, like guns.

ie, it's people, not religion, that is the source of the problem.

Not sure how mental health units comes in to it.

 

[Tink]

ie, it's people, not religion, that is the source of the problem.

Thats exactly right...

 

[Sean K]

Thats exactly right...

I was trying to confirm what your intent was.

So, you are saying that religion to killing is the same as guns are to killing.

OK.