Scalping using a tick chart vs. standard candlestick chart

[alwaysLearning]

Amongst pro scalpers, would you say that they favour the tick chart over standard 1minute/5minute standard candle stick charts?

I'm starting to prefer a tick chart over everything else. Just curious to hear what you more experienced traders use and prefer?

What about longer term time frames? Still like tick charts for that over candles/bar?

 

[bowman]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

I use 5 and 10 tick charts for scalping. No indicators, just support/resistance and fibonacci levels sometimes.

Have always used candles on daily/weekly charts.

 

[MRC & Co]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

There is no one real way AL. I don't use tick charts. Just a 1 and 5 minute chart.

DOM gives a tick by tick account of the price action and all the rest that goes with it (pulling orders, icebergs, stacking price levels etc). DOM, however, does not show patterns like you could see on a tick chart.

 

[alwaysLearning]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

There is no one real way AL. I don't use tick charts. Just a 1 and 5 minute chart.

DOM gives a tick by tick account of the price action and all the rest that goes with it (pulling orders, icebergs, stacking price levels etc). DOM, however, does not show patterns like you could see on a tick chart.

But you would have noticed on say the 1min chart instances where the close of the candle does not exactly match the actual quote?

That happened to me a lot and I got very frustrated trying to scalp off it.

But the tick chart...now that is something different for me and working much better for me.

The DOM is a different ball game altogether. I have no idea about the DOM since I trade spot forex and don't have access to that kind of detail. But trading with the aid of DOM is something I would do if I had it in forex.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

The DOM is a different ball game altogether. I have no idea about the DOM since I trade spot forex and don't have access to that kind of detail. But trading with the aid of DOM is something I would do if I had it in forex.

Ninja Trader has a free simulated trading platform. Not the same as laying the real stuff on the line but good to gain more experience on what is possible. YM is the mini DOW Futures.

 

[MRC & Co]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

I haven't noticed a time where the final candle close doesn't match the quote of the final tick in that minute.

But if you find tick charts better, then use it! I know of FOREX traders who trade purely off tick charts, think all the cyrox rainbow guys do.........

 

[Trembling Hand]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

Ninja Trader has a free simulated trading platform. Not the same as laying the real stuff on the line but good to gain more experience on what is possible. YM is the mini DOW Futures.

Wysiwyg where are your 5 levels of depth?

And why you got 5 tick profit and 10tick stop that aint scalping.

 

[alwaysLearning]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

I haven't noticed a time where the final candle close doesn't match the quote of the final tick in that minute.

But if you find tick charts better, then use it! I know of FOREX traders who trade purely off tick charts, think all the cyrox rainbow guys do.........

This is an attached image of what I mean

 

[alwaysLearning]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

Ninja Trader has a free simulated trading platform. Not the same as laying the real stuff on the line but good to gain more experience on what is possible. YM is the mini DOW Futures.

Yeah good idea. I completely forgot about NT. When I first looked at trading, Ninja Trader was the first chart software I downloaded. But since moving to currency I forgot about it.

I'll have to take another look at it.

 

[alwaysLearning]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

This is an attached image of what I mean

Does this type of candle discrepency happen to you guys when trading the SPI?

 

[MRC & Co]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

Does this type of candle discrepency happen to you guys when trading the SPI?

I don't fully understand your picture (don' trade forex).

But it's simple, if price moves up a tick, this is shown on a candle. So the last tick price trades at in a minute, that will be the price shown as the closing price on the candle on a one minute chart.

If yours is not showing this, then I personally would get new data/charting software or trade off the tick chart if you prefer it.

 

[skyQuake]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

I don't fully understand your picture (don' trade forex).

But it's simple, if price moves up a tick, this is shown on a candle. So the last tick price trades at in a minute, that will be the price shown as the closing price on the candle on a one minute chart.

If yours is not showing this, then I personally would get new data/charting software or trade off the tick chart if you prefer it.

Definitely agree. Would also like to point out that DOM is *slightly* faster than charts. For example when the asks disappear and the bid moves up, but there is no actual trade; The candle will remain static. Until a trade has actually been executed.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

In reference to scalping.

Wysiwyg where are your 5 levels of depth?

I don`t know.

And why you got 5 tick profit and 10tick stop that aint scalping.

I really don`t know how to scalp because I have never studied or learned a correct technique.

 

[Trembling Hand]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

In reference to scalping.

In fact that ain't trading. its never alright to have a stop 2 times your target.

 

[shulink]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

I personally prefer candlestick over tick chart.

 

[beamstas]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

In fact that ain't trading. its never alright to have a stop 2 times your target.

Could he flip it?
10 Point profit and 5 point stop
Might get him on the right side of the curve

 

[beamstas]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

This is an attached image of what I mean

You are using a 15min chart
The price isn't going to update every tick
It's going to update every 15mins
So what is in the price box isn't going to show what is on the chart

 

[Mr J]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

Just test the different types and find what feels best. I use range bars and really don't like time bars. Others prefer tick, volume, P&F etc.

 

[rossw]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

I personally prefer candlestick over tick chart.

they can be the same thing

a candle for every 3mins
or a candle for every 50 ticks or whatever

 

[Timmy]

Re: Scalping using a tick chart vs a standard candle stick chart

You are using a 15min chart
The price isn't going to update every tick
It's going to update every 15mins
So what is in the price box isn't going to show what is on the chart

Maybe it depends on the software you are using - if I have a 15-minute (or whatever) bar/candle chart running on live prices on the charting software I use the final bar/candle (on the right edge of the chart) does update very tick. So while the bar is forming the 'close' price is changing (running up and down the bar/candle, or extending the bar/candle) as new ticks come through, until the 15 minutes (or whatever) is complete then the last price tick in that 15 minutes (again, or whatever period) is the final 'close' price and then a new bar/candle starts to form.