Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid dead!

[Happy]

My sympathy goes to police officers.

Parents had their chance, 15 years old male lost his and poor police personnel will be through investigations, reviews, hearings and God knows what else, because of ..

 

[numbercruncher]

Many people on this thread say the Kid deserved to die .... sounds like he was insane on ice or something .... (maybe even his first "hit" ? )

How do we feel about the Sydney top cop in the 120m Ice cartel(on previous page of this thread), does he deserve to die ?

 

[chops_a_must]

I agree entirely, sick of hearing about cowardly thugs, hoons and the "poor me, I didn't know what I was doin cos I was on drugs yer honour" fraternity.

Bring back national service, give them a haircut, yank out any bling and kick the little ****s out of bed at 5 am every morning.
Do that for two years and you could halve the size of the required police force.

Yeah nice.

As someone that has been beaten up by police, I don't have much sympathy for them, nor do I believe anything they say when violence is involved from the police side.

You only have to look at the foreshore footage from WA police a few years back where officers were laying into a man, while he was pinned on the ground and completely defenceless. The officer was cleared from an internal investigation, and only through media pressure was he brought to justice. It's these sorts of things that are witnessed by youth which leads to an attitude against police IMO.

It will live with the Police forever. It is not something they did lightly. They will grieve.

It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

From my experience, a lot of officers really do love inflicting violence on others, and many seem to join the force simply to do that.

I don't think many officers will grieve at all.

Well he wasnt the sharpest tool in the shed if he didnt stop after repeated warnings.

You have to admit that NC

The thing is Prawn, you don't know his history, I don't know his history. They wouldn't know if he had a history of unprovoked violence against him from police like in my situation.

Because if police approached me like this, I couldn't necessarily guarantee my reaction either, because of my history. I am simply **** scared of cops because I know what they can do to you legally, without any recourse at all.

My sympathy goes to police officers.

Mine doesn't.

I have a very very low regard for police. I'm sure this wont go any way for helping that, nor will it for most people I imagine.

 

[Ageo]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Hmm you obviously have never fired warning shots before,

Why no, I haven't I have, however had extensive use of a variety of firearms since the age of 10.

10? so you have handled firearms since 10 yrs of age and your telling me a better solution would have been to aim for the leg/shoulder? ok your either lying about the experience you have with firearms or you play too many video games?

which one is it?

 

[Aussiejeff]

Many people on this thread say the Kid deserved to die .... sounds like he was insane on ice or something .... (maybe even his first "hit" ? )

How do we feel about the Sydney top cop in the 120m Ice cartel(on previous page of this thread), does he deserve to die ?

Our Indon friends would say so....

Whereas of course, we here in Oz don't have any such thing as "the death penalty". Oh, unless you have a gun, a Vic Police uniform and the will to squeeze the trigger. Then we seem to have a defacto "death penalty" - by summary firing squad.

No-one has mad a single comment on my suggestion of using a vets tranquiliser gun. Must be too contentious.

What about stun grenades or flashbangs?

Or high powered water pistols?

Even rubber bullets as suggested by someone is at least an alternative.


aj

 

[prawn_86]

Or high powered water pistols?

When we were kids my mate used to have the mother of all supa-soakers. That thing could stop a 10yo in its tracks and took about 3litres and 10 minutes to fill from the backyard tap

 

[sam76]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

10? so you have handled firearms since 10 yrs of age and your telling me a better solution would have been to aim for the leg/shoulder? ok your either lying about the experience you have with firearms or you play too many video games?

which one is it?

Read the thread again.

Find where I said that or even implied that.

Then I'll accept your apology.

And yes, I have been handling firearms since I was 10.

 

[Happy]

No-one has mad a single comment on my suggestion of using a vets tranquiliser gun. Must be too contentious.

aj

I think bit difficult to use on human

 

[chops_a_must]

I think bit difficult to use on human

How?

They use them on much more violent things than humans.

 

[jonnycage]

hindsight is a great thing. i guess until your in that situation,
in that moment in time, its not your call. there are no winners.

 

[Aussiejeff]

hindsight is a great thing. i guess until your in that situation,
in that moment in time, its not your call. there are no winners.

This kids death (and all the other recent deaths by police shootings) is totally meaningless unless it leads to a MUCH better system of control of "violent offenders".

The question is, how many more summary death sentences will be carried out by VIC Police until those freakin' useless a$$holes in Government get their shee-hite together?

It's blatantly obvious to me that VIC Police don't have a satisfactory system or range of resources to deal with violent offenders. So, fix it NOW Brumby you wanker... preferably BEFORE you traipse off on your Merry Xmas leave.

 

[numbercruncher]

Heres a picture of young Tyler ......

Is he the big bad monster many of you predicted ?

 

[sam76]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Read the thread again.

Find where I said that or even implied that.

Then I'll accept your apology.

And yes, I have been handling firearms since I was 10.

Hey Ageo, LOL I guess I'll wait until you log back on again for that apology, hey mate.

 

[sam76]

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Heres a picture of young Tyler ......

Is he the big bad monster many of you predicted ?

here's a nice one too.

(and no, I'm not comparing them)

it's all about circumstance, NC.

If Santa Claus came at me with two knives, i'd defend myself from him as well.

 

[explod]

Yeah nice.

As someone that has been beaten up by police, I don't have much sympathy for them, nor do I believe anything they say when violence is involved from the police side.

You only have to look at the foreshore footage from WA police a few years back where officers were laying into a man, while he was pinned on the ground and completely defenceless. The officer was cleared from an internal investigation, and only through media pressure was he brought to justice. It's these sorts of things that are witnessed by youth which leads to an attitude against police IMO.


It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt.


From my experience, a lot of officers really do love inflicting violence on others, and many seem to join the force simply to do that.

I don't think many officers will grieve at all.


The thing is Prawn, you don't know his history, I don't know his history. They wouldn't know if he had a history of unprovoked violence against him from police like in my situation.

Because if police approached me like this, I couldn't necessarily guarantee my reaction either, because of my history. I am simply **** scared of cops because I know what they can do to you legally, without any recourse at all.


Mine doesn't.

I have a very very low regard for police. I'm sure this wont go any way for helping that, nor will it for most people I imagine.

Could not agree more, had brothers treated the same way and in my career had to intervene a number of times. The methods of entry and training have never addressed the sociological aspects properly. Too much emphais on drill as you stand before me discipline and on leaving the shelter of training the detraining where you are soon told to forget all that sissy stuff (the bit you do get)

There was a good regime of change on under Mick Miller and Kel Glare but that baby boomer (out of the vietnam resistance regime) middle management was gutted in the Kennett era. I left from sitting in front of a terminal all day in 1998 with the package. Forced a heap of us out.

 

[numbercruncher]

Our Indon friends would say so....

Whereas of course, we here in Oz don't have any such thing as "the death penalty". Oh, unless you have a gun, a Vic Police uniform and the will to squeeze the trigger. Then we seem to have a defacto "death penalty" - by summary firing squad.

No-one has mad a single comment on my suggestion of using a vets tranquiliser gun. Must be too contentious.

What about stun grenades or flashbangs?

Or high powered water pistols?

Even rubber bullets as suggested by someone is at least an alternative.


aj

Sorry AJ - I think its a fantastic Idea .... theres tons of alternatives, they coulda run him down with the Police car even ....

To us softies in Queensland shooting 15 year olds dead is just plain wrong ( even if they are victorians) - especially when they had opportunity to shoot him elsewhere, why 5+ shots ?

unbelievable ...

 

[numbercruncher]

here's a nice one too.

(and no, I'm not comparing them)

it's all about circumstance, NC.

If Santa Claus came at me with two knives, i'd defend myself from him as well.

Id shoot Santa in the leg so the kiddies could enjoy him after he was rehabilitated ..... Im a thoughtful sorta Santa lover though ...

Youd shoot Santa 5x dead so they couldnt enjoy him ....

true or false ?

 

[sam76]

Id shoot Santa in the leg so the kiddies could enjoy him after he was rehabilitated ..... Im a thoughtful sorta Santa lover though ...

Youd shoot Santa 5x dead so they couldnt enjoy him ....

true or false ?

Seriously mate, I'm not going to answer that in the way you want me to.

I'm hoping it's tounge in cheek

My answer is; I would defend myself.

 

[Happy]

They use them on much more violent things than humans.

Tranquiliser can be pulled out before dose is applied.
And since dose is calculated to approximate weight of target could be difficult to have-one-dart-fit-all.
Then if pulled out you risk killing target if you apply another complete dose.
Time seems to be of essence too.
Then imagine trial by the media should eye be taken out or some kind of multi drug resistant bacteria injected.


Best is to teach to respect authority, irrespective of some individuals representing authority being corrupt, trigger happy or down right criminals in blue uniform, and this is different issue.

 

[chops_a_must]

Then if pulled out you risk killing target if you apply another complete dose.
Time seems to be of essence too.

Yes.

As opposed to firing guns, the risks are just far too extreme for us to accept. If only we had logic like yours, we might be able to become police officers.