Turnbull - New Liberal Leader

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Re: Turnball - New Liberal Leader

There has been quite some criticism of Malcolm Turnbull on the basis that he is the wealthiest politician. Why would anyone criticise him for that? Apparently his mother left when he was nine, he and his father lived in rented flats, and he has achieved what he has through his own endeavours.
Wouldn't it be more logical to regard him as an example of what can happen when someone moves on from a less than great childhood experience and becomes successful in several fields?

Julia,

A good comment.

 

[jersey10]

Re: Turnball - New Liberal Leader

There has been quite some criticism of Malcolm Turnbull on the basis that he is the wealthiest politician. Why would anyone criticise him for that? Apparently his mother left when he was nine, he and his father lived in rented flats, and he has achieved what he has through his own endeavours.
Wouldn't it be more logical to regard him as an example of what can happen when someone moves on from a less than great childhood experience and becomes successful in several fields?

Tall Poppy Syndrome?

 

[Duckman#72]

Re: Turnball - New Liberal Leader

There has been quite some criticism of Malcolm Turnbull on the basis that he is the wealthiest politician. Why would anyone criticise him for that? Apparently his mother left when he was nine, he and his father lived in rented flats, and he has achieved what he has through his own endeavours.
Wouldn't it be more logical to regard him as an example of what can happen when someone moves on from a less than great childhood experience and becomes successful in several fields?

I agree Julia and it was the interview that made me aware of his background. The media report Turnbull the same way that Pepperoni does - "spoilt little rich kid silvertail" from way back. Good on him.

But I also liked the way he discussed it with Kerry - he wasn't "playing" the "poor hard done by battler" card. Just an open and frank discussion about his childhood. I agree with you Julia it was a refreshing interview in that they both seemed to enjoy each others company and were very relaxed and confident.

Duckman

 

[pepperoni]

I dont think he is spoilt ... just too sheltered toknow, or too rich for too long now to remember, how normal people live or relate to their issues.

"He spent his first three years of school at Vaucluse Public School. He continued his primary education at Sydney Grammar Prep, St Ives. He then went to Sydney Grammar School's Senior school at College Street in Sydney."

then after studying until 1980:


Turnbull has also had a career in business. He was General Counsel and Secretary for Australian Consolidated Press Holdings Group, the family company of Kerry Packer, from 1983 to 1985.

GC 3 years out ... sounds like connections and privilege to me. Not being racist but is he jewish or something?


Good luck to him and all, but give me a more everyday man for PM. Abbott or Hockey. Mortal men with some conscience.

 

[Julia]

=pepperoni;336398

Good luck to him and all, but give me a more everyday man for PM. Abbott or Hockey. Mortal men with some conscience.

Well, Pepperoni, you're entitled to see him through your own eyes, of course.

I'd say, in contrast, that a person who has been so successful in his own life is more likely to have a few clues about how to make Australia similarly successful.

Abbott an 'every day man'? Give me a break!
I hope we never, ever have a fundamentalist Christian (or any other fundamentalist religion) running the country. He's also inconsistent and changes his loyalties like a true populist.

And Joe Hockey? Seems a nice bloke. So is Brendan Nelson.
Doesn't make him leadership material, not by a long way.

How do Point Piper and Balmoral Slopes compare in terms of, umm, rich people's territory?

 

[pepperoni]

Well, Pepperoni, you're entitled to see him through your own eyes, of course.

I'd say, in contrast, that a person who has been so successful in his own life is more likely to have a few clues about how to make Australia similarly successful.

Abbott an 'every day man'? Give me a break!
I hope we never, ever have a fundamentalist Christian (or any other fundamentalist religion) running the country. He's also inconsistent and changes his loyalties like a true populist.

And Joe Hockey? Seems a nice bloke. So is Brendan Nelson.
Doesn't make him leadership material, not by a long way.

How do Point Piper and Balmoral Slopes compare in terms of, umm, rich people's territory?

Tell me turnbull doesnt live in point piper?!!!

I rent in balmoral slopes. I went to public school and whilst Ive got 2 degrees I have built 5 houses with my bare hands.

I laugh at toffee guys like turnbull as will 90% of aussie blokes.

And yes it seems he is a jew with typically strong jewish connections, and no doubt obligations and vested interests. Which is fine as long as it doesnt impact on his policies etc

You may well be right about abbot and hockey but in another 5 or 10 their time may come.

 

[pepperoni]

Todays news ... should I be surprised?


http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...e-next-election/2008/09/16/1221330837211.html

 

[The Mint Man]

Re: Turnball - New Liberal Leader

yeh well rudd and swann are doing f-all, just reassuring us with how good Australian economies are and dropping rates to devalue the AU$

I agree with your comment about Labor doing F all (besides raising taxes that is) but don't agree with your comment about them 'reassuring us with how good Australian economies'...... it wasn't that long ago Swann (aka goose) was talking our economy down

Anyway, on the general topic at hand, it is a great thing that Turnbull has taken the leadership roll

Cheers

 

[The Mint Man]

Re: Turnball - New Liberal Leader

There has been quite some criticism of Malcolm Turnbull on the basis that he is the wealthiest politician. Why would anyone criticise him for that? Apparently his mother left when he was nine, he and his father lived in rented flats, and he has achieved what he has through his own endeavours.
Wouldn't it be more logical to regard him as an example of what can happen when someone moves on from a less than great childhood experience and becomes successful in several fields?

I couldn't agree more Julia....
I was actually thinking about this yesterday and (considering how important sport is to us Aussies) I couldn't help but to draw on sport as an example of how success should actually bring support/praise rather than push it away.
I mean when the swans won the AFL grand final I bet my bottom dollar their membership, merchandise sales, fan base and general interest in the swans/AFL went through the roof in NSW. Or when the Socceroos went to the world cup and did quite well that the same thing happened in their case.... I for one have never followed soccer/football at all up until that point but even I found myself staying up to 3 in the morning to watch them play.
So my question is why, when and individual is successful, do people write them off without a thought? why not become a bit more interested in their story and, dare I say it, even support them?
I just don't get it

Cheers

 

[jersey10]

Re: Turnball - New Liberal Leader

I couldn't agree more Julia....
I was actually thinking about this yesterday and (considering how important sport is to us Aussies) I couldn't help but to draw on sport as an example of how success should actually bring support/praise rather than push it away.
I mean when the swans won the AFL grand final I bet my bottom dollar their membership, merchandise sales, fan base and general interest in the swans/AFL went through the roof in NSW. Or when the Socceroos went to the world cup and did quite well that the same thing happened in their case.... I for one have never followed soccer/football at all up until that point but even I found myself staying up to 3 in the morning to watch them play.
So my question is why, when and individual is successful, do people write them off without a thought? why not become a bit more interested in their story and, dare I say it, even support them?
I just don't get it

Cheers

Did i say Tall Poppy Syndrome??

Many people find talking down others who are more 'successful' than they themselves are makes them feel better. This is evident throughout society and it is intertwined with stereotype and insecurity.

 

[Timmy]

Re: Turnball - New Liberal Leader

There has been quite some criticism of Malcolm Turnbull on the basis that he is the wealthiest politician. Why would anyone criticise him for that? Apparently his mother left when he was nine, he and his father lived in rented flats, and he has achieved what he has through his own endeavours.
Wouldn't it be more logical to regard him as an example of what can happen when someone moves on from a less than great childhood experience and becomes successful in several fields?

Will join the chorus here, well said Julia.
The attacks on him (that will come) because of his wealth are just easy, cheap (err, if that makes sense) shots.

 

[Timmy]

Re: Turnball - New Liberal Leader

Swann (aka goose)

LOL!

 

[Duckman#72]

Unfortunately for Turnbull, the Rudd household with its $50Million+ combined wealth, is just so obviously more in touch with the plight of ordinary Australians.

Duckman

 

[Timmy]

Unfortunately for Turnbull, the Rudd household with its $50Million+ combined wealth, is just so obviously more in touch with the plight of ordinary Australians.

Duckman

LOL! This thread is cracking me up!

 

[Bushman]

And Joe Hockey? Seems a nice bloke.

Too fat? See what happened to Kim Beazley and his ability to lose those 'unloseable' elections. Aussies will never vote for a fat man it would seem (apart from Harold Holt?) . Not sure why? Maybe it is because we have been raised on the myth of the golden athletic Aussie sportsmen/Gallipoli warrior/ gentleman.

In many African nations, being fat is equated with being successfull; therefore it is a status symbol and politically expedient.

Anyway I digress....

The comment about the Rudd millions is a good one. The hypocrisy of the media strikes again. They should just admit they don't like 'blue bloods' so we can get on with debating about the real political issues we are currently facing.

 

[Calliope]

Well, Pepperoni, you're entitled to see him through your own eyes, of course.

And what jaundiced eyes they are. You would think that a man who builds houses with his bare hands would appreciate the lesser achievements of others, even if they bring greater wealth.

 

[Datsun Disguise]

Abbott an 'every day man'? Give me a break!
I hope we never, ever have a fundamentalist Christian (or any other fundamentalist religion) running the country.

Hate to frighten you Julia but we do have a fundamentalist christian running the country. Well, maybe fundamentalist is a bit strong - BUT - K-Rudd has stated that if he is hearing opinions or getting advice from two people, and he knows that one of them has 'faith' that he will lend more credence to the person with 'faith'.

So given that statement is Australia still a Secular state? Well we should be once this one term 'donothingment' is done.

I'm pleased that Malcolm got up, he speaks sense, is not a party creation and so is much more of a common man than these career politicians in my eyes.

 

[Nashezz]

I think Turnball is a natural leader who will do very well in this position. I also like that he seems to have a brain as well as some sort of social conscience. Will be interesting of he can drag his party away from the Howard era of much crapulous policy and no conscience in this regard.

 

[2020hindsight]

.. once this one term 'donothingment' is done.....

bring the troops back from Iraq
apologise to the abs
reduce income tax
...

 

[jersey10]

Too fat? See what happened to Kim Beazley and his ability to lose those 'unloseable' elections. Aussies will never vote for a fat man it would seem (apart from Harold Holt?) . Not sure why? Maybe it is because we have been raised on the myth of the golden athletic Aussie sportsmen/Gallipoli warrior/ gentleman.

That's a myth? I mean its not as if Australia has one of the highest rates of adult and childhood obesity in the world! TIC