KEVIN RUDD - Wins the Australian Federal election!

[Julia]

Re: KEVIN RUDD - Wins the Australian Federal election !

Fair Julia ... Fair Julia ......


I will most certainly try to accomodate this grammar fetish, I should have from the very beginning.

Dear Numbercruncher,

You are very kind to indulge me. Thank you so much.

In gratitude.
Julia

 

[moXJO]

This should be an interesting few years. I voted labor even with my small business senses tingling. Mainly because I do believe Rudd will achieve or attempts too achieve a lot in the next year. While I am concerned about what he has planned as far as unfair dismissal laws and the like I'll worry about it when it rolls round. IMO education and health needed some collaboration between state and federal so lets see if labor has the goods and isn’t all spin like their US style campaign. Not to keen on their front bench though. And hoping the unions won’t be a headache. Been a long while since labor was in, hope they don't make the same mistakes of the past.

If you’re an employee its great times, small business owner then its uncertain times. Time will tell...

 

[2020hindsight]

Nick Xenophon
..

this bloke (Nick Xenophon) sounds like a great blend of Labor and Green
- really keen to see the Murray sorted out
- and says he will probably vote with Labor on the rest.
But he shares leadership with Family First. - Now that will be interesting

Blue Corner:-
37 Coalition
1 Family First Steve Fielding
= 38 total

Green Corner
32 Lab
5 Green
1 Anti-pokies - Nick Xenophon
= 38 total

PS How stupid to have 76 seats ? - why not 75 or even 77 ?

The coming year will indeed be interesting. With the coalition and f/first together having 38 seats, the best labor can hope for is 38 also {labor (32), the greens (5) and zenaphon (1)}. In light of the political fallout, the coalition may (key word - may) agree to some changes such as ratifying Kyoto, but its a real stretch to see them supporting IR changes etc.. How many feel a double dissolution is a 'when' rather than an 'if'? Maybe both parties will continue with internal polling to guage their prospects, in the event of both houses be dissolved. Maybe labor will call it on the 11/11/08 for old times sake lol.

oops sorry skint - you've already posted that

I like the idea that it's a brave senate that takes em on on something like Kyoto - (even on IR - but YOU COULD BE RIGHT )
I mean it would guarantee a second term for Labor etc . - all as said by someone else back there, Knobby or A2A or someone
- (agreed?)

They can only ever contemplate double dissolution after a number of senate knockbacks on serious matters. - must be blocked twice etc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/29/2018454.htm
A double dissolution requires a bill to be blocked on two occasions at least three months apart.

Even after this Senate's term expires mid next year, Labor is not likely to control the Upper House.

 

[chops_a_must]

How many feel a double dissolution is a 'when' rather than an 'if'? Maybe both parties will continue with internal polling to guage their prospects, in the event of both houses be dissolved. Maybe labor will call it on the 11/11/08 for old times sake lol.

Yep.

With the Liberals in real trouble, being absolutely smacked, it is an opportune time to do it in my opinion. Leaderless and losing some of their youngest and best talent, would surely be a big problem for them fighting another campaign in quick time.

It's funny how the media have gone from saying the "inexperienced shadow cabinet" to the "front bench spoiled for choice and talent" in such quick time. Greg Gailey came out and said today that the Labor reforms wont have any impact on unemployment. Gee... what a surprise.

Just a pity The Greens couldn't quite get the votes they needed to get the balance. But at least now they are THE legitimate third party in Australian politics (which has been the plan as long as I've been involved, and is the same in European countries). And it's hard to see a conservative government getting power again so long as it stays that way.

I'm over the moon the Democrats have been kicked out. After all, it was their preferences that handed a win to the Libs in 2001. Yep... campaign on refugee rights only to preference the nationals and libs over the greens. What a bunch of scumbags. And it's no loss that they are gone.

 

[2020hindsight]

It's funny how the media have gone from saying the "inexperienced shadow cabinet" to the "front bench spoiled for choice and talent" in such quick time.

chops - Lol - yep now you mention it, I noticed that too....

"Labor have a MASS of brilliant talent to chose from !" etc

 

[Aussie2Aussie]

If, as you predict, everything will be so much worse by July next year, why wouldn't Rudd be better moving to a Double Dissolution ASAP? There would still be plenty of support for him in the "honeymoon" period, without waiting for the wheels to fall off like Gough.

AJ

He needs a reason and he wont get that until at least late next year.

Between now and when the senate power shifts is not enough time to build a case, he will have served at least 17 months before he could blame senate obstruction.

 

[numbercruncher]

My new hero already proving to be good to his word (smashing the coalition into tiny pieces like a sledge hammer hitting a crystal vase was just a bonus )

KEVIN Rudd has told world leaders Australia will ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change within weeks and has ordered senior bureaucrats to move quickly to draft new industrial relations laws.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22821493-952,00.html

How refreshing is it to have a PM that sticks to his word with 24hrs of taking the top job - nearly unbelievable!

 

[Kimosabi]

My new hero already proving to be good to his word (smashing the coalition into tiny pieces like a sledge hammer hitting a crystal vase was just a bonus )





http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22821493-952,00.html

How refreshing is it to have a PM that sticks to his word with 24hrs of taking the top job - nearly unbelievable!

More importantly, when are the Troops leaving Iraq.

 

[numbercruncher]

More importantly, when are the Troops leaving Iraq.

Im not sure removing troops from Iraq is more important than climate change, but anyhow Combat troops im sure will soon begin a staged withdrawl.

We actually have a moral responsibility to leave reconstruction troops there to help rebuild their shattered nation, after all we were stupid enough to follow Dubbya in thier and dismantle the place.

It still drives me nuts, that in the name of "oil Security" (saddam was a nutter that need sorting out too) the Yanks have blown enough money to convert the US to virtually all green/low/zero emission , not only that but the debt has crashed the value of their currency which will inturn double the price of converting to green later.

One of the greatest tragedys of the modern world imho.

 

[numbercruncher]

Re: KEVIN RUDD - Wins the Australian Federal election !

Dear Numbercruncher,

You are very kind to indulge me. Thank you so much.

In gratitude.
Julia

Always a pleasure to Indulge

 

[chops_a_must]

More importantly, when are the Troops leaving Iraq.

Half way through next year I think the last of them will leave. From what I can gather.

 

[numbercruncher]

Our Legendary PM is straight into the "Education Revoulution" , bless his cotton socks

PRIME Minister-elect Kevin Rudd has ordered his MPs to each visit two schools before Thursday's caucus meeting, making education a priority.

Mr Rudd and deputy Julia Gillard visited Southern Cross College, at Scarborough north of Brisbane, to discuss his "education revolution".

Mr Rudd told reporters education was his top priority and he had instructed all members of his caucus to visit a government and non-government school in their electorates in the next two days

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22821493-952,00.html

 

[Smurf1976]

Im not sure removing troops from Iraq is more important than climate change, but anyhow Combat troops im sure will soon begin a staged withdrawl.

We actually have a moral responsibility to leave reconstruction troops there to help rebuild their shattered nation, after all we were stupid enough to follow Dubbya in thier and dismantle the place.

It still drives me nuts, that in the name of "oil Security" (saddam was a nutter that need sorting out too) the Yanks have blown enough money to convert the US to virtually all green/low/zero emission , not only that but the debt has crashed the value of their currency which will inturn double the price of converting to green later.

One of the greatest tragedys of the modern world imho.

Whoever gets away from oil first will be the long term winner IMO.

Trying to secure access to the stuff has an awful lot in common with a drug addict coming up with an elaborate strategy to secure ongoing (increasing) supply.

In the long term the use ends whether it's drugs, oil etc. The means by which the use ends, voluntary versus involuntary, determines the survival or death of the addict.

IMO the whole Iraq adventure will ultimately bring about the downfall of the US as the world's leading economic nation simply because of the "cling to the past" aspect of it all. It was an opportunity wasted on a massive scale.

But to be fair, there's an awful lot of vested interests pushing to keep the status quo. Look at Australian politics - Labor, Liberal and Green all have policies which depend on continued access to oil no matter what claims they might make.

 

[2020hindsight]

Half way through next year I think the last of them will leave. From what I can gather.

mmm I think he'll leave several hundred to look after the embassy m8 Question then is, will he also leave the Navy ( another couple hundred maybe ?

But several hundred coming home by the same token ( must check out the true numbers one of these days - this is pretty old speculation on my part)

 

[Smurf1976]

I mean, speaking about on-costs

does anyone think it's "right" or "productive" or "in the aussie interest" or "good for business" that ...

(maybe not at the moment - but a year or two back)

National Bank NAB was vying with BHP as to which was the biggest Australian

Banks are just parasites in all this (imo)

It's not just banks. The past 25+ years have seen a massive shift away from productive industries towards non-productive industries. That's how we ended up with a massive current account deficit in the middle of a resources boom and a "third world" economy that depends on digging things up and selling them for the going rate.

All political parties are somewhat to blame. Liberal's "leave it to the market" hasn't worked that's pretty obvious. Shifting from productive to non-productive is the central plank of Green economic policy and has been since the party's very beginnings. Labor'a bit less certain but they don't seem to have a clear plan to focus on anything productive, indeed much of their policy focus is the opposite.

It's a matter of choosing the best of a bad bunch IMO. There isn't one politician who I could point to as telling the whole story and pursing anything genuinely exciting. At best it comes down to telling lies by omission. At worst it's outright lies.

 

[2020hindsight]

Gee but I look forward to Rudd attending Bali, and declaring that Australia is "under new management" , and finally prepared to come on board with the rest of the world with treaties on fighting Global Warming

beyond aspirational targets that is

leaving USA out in the cold - (yessss!!!!)
(or rather out in the hot , whatever)

 

[2020hindsight]

At best it comes down to telling lies by omission. At worst it's outright lies.

Smurf - Well said - we get suckered in don't we -

I mean Woolworths is ridiculously expensive, but will soon have a monopoly or duopoly on everything including petrol. and Why ? just because they are convenient.

Then there's the banks - even worse - so much profit, yet they close down branches !! - forget the service. And the fees and profits just keep climbing


re pollies - Smurf, I hope you're not saying "you can tell the ones who are lying - they're the ones whose lips are moving?"

 

[flinders]

Just in , our new PM will say "sorry" very early in first term!!

 

[Broadside]

Just in , our new PM will say "sorry" very early in first term!!

he'll say sorry? has he stuffed up already....I knew it!! what's he done?

 

[Aussiejeff]

Just in , our new PM will say "sorry" very early in first term!!

Will that be a "regretful" type of "sorry" or a "sorry" type of "sorry". Sorry, I'm confused after that other guy's difficulty in saying "sorry" and what he meant by "sorry"

Sorry again,


AJ