Your tax dollars at work

[The Mint Man]

Good politicians and goverment will invest wisely in better and more accessible EDUCATION for all which we don't have @ the moment. Cutting back in $ spent in Universities and demanding more & more fees paying students by the Liberal goverment does not help! It is a long sighted view and investment which Johnny needs new spectacles to deal with. Or a change of government.

You really are a tooth fairy!
These people are not interested in getting educated, they just want to bludge off our tax.

Cut your wings off and get your head out of the clouds!

This post seemed to be more political rather than topic related. So having said that... these type of people Julia has pointed out would want to vote for Rudd because under Labor's Tax policy (from a few years ago as they don't have one for this election) would see us all paying much more tax. The bludgers would love that, all the more for them to get their gruby hands on.

Cheers

 

[visual]

Sorry, Visual, you have completely lost me. What does my tax have to do with anything???

Julia not whether you pay tax.
Rather your use of the word YOUR as opposed to OUR Tax.

 

[toothfairy]

You really are a tooth fairy!
These people are not interested in getting educated, they just want to bludge off our tax.

Cut your wings off and get your head out of the clouds!

This post seemed to be more political rather than topic related. So having said that... these type of people Julia has pointed out would want to vote for Rudd because under Labor's Tax policy (from a few years ago as they don't have one for this election) would see us all paying much more tax. The bludgers would love that, all the more for them to get their gruby hands on.

Cheers

May be you should just go & mint more money out of debt if you like. When U say theeeese type of peeeeeople are not interested, U R already stereotyping and not giving theeese peeeople chances of encouragement and education FROM YOUNG, from birth even. It will take may be one or two generations and, of course it will take someone with long term planning and foresight to do it. Not the faint hearted selfish type who just interested in convincing the voters to paying less tax at the moment and mint more $. I've minted enough $ but IM not scared of paying back tax for good causes.

 

[visual]

May be you should just go & mint more money out of debt if you like. When U say theeeese type of peeeeeople are not interested, U R already stereotyping and not giving theeese peeeople chances of encouragement and education FROM YOUNG, from birth even. It will take may be one or two generations and, of course it will take someone with long term planning and foresight to do it. Not the faint hearted selfish type who just interested in convincing the voters to paying less tax at the moment and mint more $. I've minted enough $ but IM not scared of paying back tax for good causes.

Toothfairy,
your attitude has certainly worked for the Aborigines hasn`t it,especially the children who are passing STD to each other,people have to know that with entitlement comes responsability,sure we have a responsability to help those less fortunate or unable to look after themselves.However those who choose us the taxpayers as thier main employer should be made to look after themselves.

 

[Julia]

May be you should just go & mint more money out of debt if you like. When U say theeeese type of peeeeeople are not interested, U R already stereotyping and not giving theeese peeeople chances of encouragement and education FROM YOUNG, from birth even. It will take may be one or two generations and, of course it will take someone with long term planning and foresight to do it. Not the faint hearted selfish type who just interested in convincing the voters to paying less tax at the moment and mint more $. I've minted enough $ but IM not scared of paying back tax for good causes.

Toothfairy,

I agree with you in principle. Most of these people are simply repeating the patterns they have observed in their parents when growing up. It's what we all do more or less.

I can't begin to envisage the mechanics of how you would interrupt this multi-generational conditioning and introduce effective change. Do you have any ideas?

And then there's the ever present nature/nurture debate - what role do our genes play in our progress in life? Can education/training overcome these?

 

[toothfairy]

Toothfairy,

I agree with you in principle. Most of these people are simply repeating the patterns they have observed in their parents when growing up. It's what we all do more or less.

I can't begin to envisage the mechanics of how you would interrupt this multi-generational conditioning and introduce effective change. Do you have any ideas?

And then there's the ever present nature/nurture debate - what role do our genes play in our progress in life? Can education/training overcome these?

Thanks for your comments, Julia.
Firstly, we must establish is Australia the worst place on earth that these people are expoiting taxpayers' money. We probably is amongst the worst. It seems to be a thing of the well to do Western nations wth good social benefits. So it is developed that way through the last few generations of wealth. I have no evidence to say that it is genetically related and I don't know anyone brave enough to say so. Basically if it can be cultivated (or spoiled) then it can be reversed. Probably takes the same period of time.
Secondly, peolpe ask why by EDUCATION. There are not many other things the government has porfolios in. I can't imagine it belongs to the departments of health, environment, foreign affairs or defence. Although we may have to increase our police force if the government just blatantly reduce the benefit suddenly as some of you may have secretly wished. That is if they manage to stay in power at all after that. That is the most naive way that any government will ever follow.
Thirdly, I am not a politician so I don't have plans to implement it. Any party in power can, if they want to.
Cheers.

 

[The Mint Man]

May be you should just go & mint more money out of debt if you like.

What the hell are you talking about? please explain that statement.
We (we being Australia) are in a good position at the moment there would be no need to do that..... were not in America you know? we are talking about Australia here

 

[toothfairy]

What the hell are you talking about? please explain that statement.
We (we being Australia) are in a good position at the moment there would be no need to do that..... were not in America you know? we are talking about Australia here

Mr. Mint,
please don't be offened by my statement, it is an asset to be able to mint money out of debt! I am heavily in debt as well but I am also turning it into equity, as long as your net worth is increasing that's what matters. I don't know of anyone (except my grandmother may be) who is not in debt, because everytime when there is rumour of interest rate increase all of them are not happy. You can tell those who has only real money are those longing for the interest rate to go up.
I think Australia is not far behind US in debt level per capita. US has stopped backing their currency with gold long time ago. At least we can back it up with base metal ( Cu, Fe, Zn, Ni, Pb or whatever is your fancy). I like Zn.
Cheers.

 

[sandlion]

How about on your tax return form you get a tick list..

I choose not to support the following:

1. Overseas Involvement in Iraq/Afghanistan/Absurdistan wherever
2. Politicians pay rises above CPI/Super etc
3. Medicare (e.g I have a health fund)
4. Regional assistance to neighbouring countries who are not aligned with Australia
5. Indigenous Programs
6. Arts
7. Sport
8. Public education (e.g you pay private tuition)
9. Centrelink payments beyond 3 months etc
10. Science/Medical funding
11. ad nauseam

and also have a tick list on those that you choose to support above the base level...maybe percentage scales of your additional support level

What a great way to have a referendum on a number of issues, from those that actually pay tax (as evidenced by filling in a tax return), its all collated by the ATO and fed into the ABS...snapshot what the tax payer objects paying money for....

Note...I am neither for or against any of the examples above, just a collation of topics that crop up at work...but once the support for particular areas of tax dollar usage starts to drop, it might sharpen up a few people

 

[Julia]

How about on your tax return form you get a tick list..

I choose not to support the following:

1. Overseas Involvement in Iraq/Afghanistan/Absurdistan wherever
2. Politicians pay rises above CPI/Super etc
3. Medicare (e.g I have a health fund)
4. Regional assistance to neighbouring countries who are not aligned with Australia
5. Indigenous Programs
6. Arts
7. Sport
8. Public education (e.g you pay private tuition)
9. Centrelink payments beyond 3 months etc
10. Science/Medical funding
11. ad nauseam

and also have a tick list on those that you choose to support above the base level...maybe percentage scales of your additional support level

What a great way to have a referendum on a number of issues, from those that actually pay tax (as evidenced by filling in a tax return), its all collated by the ATO and fed into the ABS...snapshot what the tax payer objects paying money for....

Note...I am neither for or against any of the examples above, just a collation of topics that crop up at work...but once the support for particular areas of tax dollar usage starts to drop, it might sharpen up a few people

Interesting idea. So are you suggesting that the people would have some sort of "contract" with the government whereby if support for a particular issue drops below a given percentage then the government may not pursue that issue?
Although I quite like the idea from a philosophical point of view, practically it would be pretty impossible, and there would be a huge outcry from those representing all the people who don't pay tax (and there are plenty of them: just think of all the people on welfare and age pensions etc.), i.e. are they to have no say at all in this plan?

 

[sandlion]

Gives you a yearly referendum during a 4 yearly term? You get more chance at feedback in Sizzler!

As for the unrepresented, well those that don't pay tax shouldn't represent how it is spent and thats not a hardline point of view, neither is it mine, You can resolve that by having a tax return!...The suggestion is totally unrealistic and harsh in retrospect but it was just a point of view...not necessarily my opinion , devil's advocate territory (don't they all belong to the devil by default?)

 

[chrisdedavid]

I'd be interested to hear members' thoughts on this:

Three people sharing a caravan in a caravan park.
A woman in her 50's and her boyfriend, also in his 50's, both receiving a Disability Pension
The woman's son, 30, also receiving a Disability Pension, plus a Carer's Allowance for looking after his mother. He has schizophrenia.

Total fortnightly income for this household is $1800.

They use this almost entirely for internet gambling and then request access to food vouchers from a charity to provide their food.

Why can't we have a world were everyone is perfect, is that what you're asking here? As long as our tax keeps them away from stealing and begging I'm pretty happy.
Picture another country where people like this may not get any money at all... what then?

However, if they are doing something illegal, then ok I hope they get caught.

Just remember the matrix... if this wasn't to occur, then we would have no balance. esok:

 

[trinity]

Picture another country where people like this may not get any money at all... what then?

Any other third world country, you mean? Well, coming from a third world country, the poor people are not given any money, no medical, no education, they still drink and gamble. But ... isn't that what is happening in some areas here in Australia? And .. yet they are given welfare. Doesn't sound any different to me ...