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dj_420;182082 all i stated was the system NEEDS to be tougher, tougher access, tougher rules, everything needs to be tightened down.
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Six months search time and if no job,courses or volunteer work is taken on then it`s work for the dole.

Six months without anything is a good indication that the individual has no inclination to work for pay.

Depression and no self worth start to take control and then it`s harder to prise their rrrrrr`s off the seat.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Depression and no self worth start to take control and then it`s harder to prise their rrrrrr`s off the seat.
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Interesting quote that one...The same could be said about being in the workforce. Many people in the workforce also suffer with depression and self worth issues as a direct result of working, some so bad they have to give up work and go on benefits.

Some jobs make people fall into depression, some bosses, and co-workers make people fall into depression due to harrasment/job stress. Some jobs are just far too stressful for people that they simply just cannot cope. Multi-skilling, downsizing, under-staffing!

One example comes to mind of a big Australian company "Telstra" and the pressure placed on a worker...who ended up so stressed out, depressed and eventually suicided...

So the moral of the story is that having a job or not having a job can lead to the same path!
 
It's really down to culture... In Japan people there don't want to go to the doll because they're ashamed and seen as a lesser human being... Some will commit suicide before going to welfare (this is from a Japanese cousin of mine). Here in Australia we don't criticize doll bludgers enough and make it socially unacceptable to accept welfare... forget terrorism... we have social problems to take care of... Three druggies tried to shop lift my parents shop today, one of them was a pregnant girl... What the hell?! Already the baby is a drug addict and it isn't even born... I hate doll bludgers, druggies etc. to the core... The problem is social... Bring back the law of the jungle... Survival of the fittest... wanna be a druggie? then get lost and die...

Of course it doesn't work like this... We can't kill people for taking drugs like in indonesia... But what if we meet half way and forced people to be put into solitary confinement and made to go cold turkey... Gorgeous!!! :D I should be a politician... Put it this way... They're gonna die from their habits anyway so anything would be an improvement..

Bloody druggies... Hate 'em!!!!

with 1800 bucks a fornight they could buy a house and entire a 30 year mortgage
 
Stop_the_clock said:
So the moral of the story is that having a job or not having a job can lead to the same path!
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Interesting that you should turn the blame back on others for the self determined circumstances of an individual.I used to think that I was stuck in a situation of someone elses making.Playing/being the victim.

I looked down and saw I had two feet for walking and two fists for fighting.:)
Last alternative the latter.:)
 
insider said:
It's really down to culture... In Japan people there don't want to go to the doll because they're ashamed and seen as a lesser human being... Some will commit suicide before going to welfare (this is from a Japanese cousin of mine). Here in Australia we don't criticize doll bludgers enough and make it socially unacceptable to accept welfare... forget terrorism... we have social problems to take care of... Three druggies tried to shop lift my parents shop today, one of them was a pregnant girl... What the hell?! Already the baby is a drug addict and it isn't even born... I hate doll bludgers, druggies etc. to the core... The problem is social... Bring back the law of the jungle... Survival of the fittest... wanna be a druggie? then get lost and die...

Of course it doesn't work like this... We can't kill people for taking drugs like in indonesia... But what if we meet half way and forced people to be put into solitary confinement and made to go cold turkey... Gorgeous!!! :D I should be a politician... Put it this way... They're gonna die from their habits anyway so anything would be an improvement..

Bloody druggies... Hate 'em!!!!

with 1800 bucks a fornight they could buy a house and entire a 30 year mortgage
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So Insider,
I take it your offer to Julia has been withdraw!

She will be pleased,:p:
 
Wysiwyg said:
Interesting that you should turn the blame back on others for the self determined circumstances of an individual.I used to think that I was stuck in a situation of someone elses making.Playing/being the victim.

I looked down and saw I had two feet for walking and two fists for fighting.:)
Last alternative the latter.:)
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You are right to draw our attention to personal responsibility. There is too much of a culture of a victim mentality.

Re the Telstra workers evidenced by STC: Those people who committed suicide were a very few out of thousands. It would be hard not to conclude that they had some pre-existing problems which the pressure of a call centre job just tipped over the edge, rather than suggest Telstra was entirely to blame for their situations.

As Wysiwig has said above, they had two feet for walking. If the job was too stressful, get out and find something with less pressure. As the Telstra representative in that TV programme said "call centre jobs are not for everyone".
 
insider said:
with 1800 bucks a fornight they could buy a house and entire a 30 year mortgage
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Yes, probably they could. But the point is that such a notion would simply never occur to these people. They have never grown up with any expectation of home ownership, or even of having a real job.

And this is imo the biggest problem in the whole welfare mess: that multi-generational welfare is becoming so entrenched. Little kids soon learn that their existence is due to the baby bonus (particularly so with druggies).
Other than in a few cases where an individual has determined to break free from the welfare mentality, these children simply expect a life of government benefits and rented flats or caravan parks.

Re the suggestion of going down the American path and cutting off all welfare after 12 months, how could you justify doing that with someone with a genuine physical or mental disability? There's a big difference between someone who is just lazy and someone who is genuinely unable to look after themselves.

The best of all possible solutions would be to have individual assessments (ongoing) of every person seeking welfare. But the cost would be so horrendous that it would never happen.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Interesting that you should turn the blame back on others for the self determined circumstances of an individual.I used to think that I was stuck in a situation of someone elses making.Playing/being the victim.

I looked down and saw I had two feet for walking and two fists for fighting.:)
Last alternative the latter.:)
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:topic

I re-read my post and thought to add that there is situations that we have no control over.How do you handle being picked on and belittled?It is either fight or flight and not always easy ,especially if one doesn`t know how or can`t.
Julia, hi, the context of my post was not directed at the incident STC referred to, it was a generalisation.:)
 
Wysiwyg said:
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I re-read my post and thought to add that there is situations that we have no control over.How do you handle being picked on and belittled?It is either fight or flight and not always easy ,especially if one doesn`t know how or can`t.
Julia, hi, the context of my post was not directed at the incident STC referred to, it was a generalisation.:)
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Yes, I realised that it was a generalisation,Wysiwyg. Sorry if it appeared my remarks didn't acknowledge that.
And yes, it's not always possible to be assertive if you've been belittled, bullied and abused all your life. People in that situation have simply never learned any skills about how to handle bullies. This was also my point about many people with a mental illness who really need physical and emotional support which simply isn't there for them.
 
Wysiwyg said:
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I re-read my post and thought to add that there is situations that we have no control over.How do you handle being picked on and belittled?It is either fight or flight and not always easy ,especially if one doesn`t know how or can`t.
Julia, hi, the context of my post was not directed at the incident STC ref
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There is a third alternative:

http://www.passiveresistance.org/
 
Julia said:
The best of all possible solutions would be to have individual assessments (ongoing) of every person seeking welfare. But the cost would be so horrendous that it would never happen.
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Julia I disagree,
if the rorters knew that they were likely to be caught due to the ongoing assessements they would probably think twice,and the real needy could be concentrate on ,the money saved could be re routed to the assessment workers,the money is being spent anyway.
 
Julia said:
Interesting reference, Gorilla. Did you mean this specifically with reference to people who are bullied , belittled etc, or as a more general statement in a political sense?
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Specifically to Wysiwyg's statement about fight or flight, in this case.
 
Julia,
I was just thinking YOUR tax .......
do you not pay tax?
Julia you are not writing this from afore mentioned caravan are you?:p::eek:
 
visual said:
Julia,
I was just thinking YOUR tax .......
do you not pay tax?
Julia you are not writing this from afore mentioned caravan are you?:p::eek:
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Sorry, Visual, you have completely lost me. What does my tax have to do with anything???:confused:
 

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