Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Sean K]

Yes, that's true.
Also, such a wide range in estimated rainfall from BOM. This could be a walk in the park or a disaster e.g. between 35mm and 150mm!!!

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I suppose it's all we have and the BOM act in good faith (I hope) but their forecasts are used to determine a lot of significant decisions. Most importantly, footy games being cancelled. What a disaster. Not to mention other less important things like flights being cancelled or Prime Ministers delaying an election decision. The BOM have a lot riding on this. Maybe that's why the high variance in potential rainfall.

 

[Knobby22]

I suppose it's all we have and the BOM act in good faith (I hope) but their forecasts are used to determine a lot of significant decisions. Most importantly, footy games being cancelled. What a disaster. Not to mention other less important things like flights being cancelled or Prime Ministers delaying an election decision. The BOM have a lot riding on this. Maybe that's why the high variance in potential rainfall.

I know, if that Gold Coast game could have gone ahead! Not happy Jan.

 

[Sean K]

As might have been expected, the Cyclone is now a tropical low. It's going to piss down rain and might cause some flooding. Hopefully those who choose to live on the banks of rivers or beaches in QLD have left for higher ground.

Chris Uhlmann:

Even before the storm hit, the distortions began.

With Cyclone Alfred bearing down on southern Queensland, most people’s thoughts turned to hoping the worst of it might be averted. That the storm might weaken. That by a miracle it might miss major population centres. That the loss of life, the injuries, the destruction somehow might be limited.

But the Climate Council saw a business opportunity: another chance to terrify people into believing that this cyclone was a creature of climate change.

The council issued a media “talent alert” offering a menu of experts keen to link the storm to global warming, even though the release itself noted “a warmer world means fewer but more destructive cyclones”.

That’s right, there have been fewer cyclones making landfall in Australia in recent decades, according to all the best research.

It is detailed in the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis.

On page 1586 it says: “(Tropical cyclone) landfall frequency over Australia shows a decreasing trend in eastern Australia since the 1800s, as well as in other parts of Australia since 1982. A paleoclimate proxy reconstruction shows that recent levels of (tropical cyclone) interactions along parts of the Australian coastline are the lowest in the past 550-1500 years.”

Surely this bit is good news. But what of the fears of “more destructive” cyclones?

Here the Climate Council appears to be on solid ground because it quotes from the 2024 State of the Environment Report, a joint effort by the Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO.

“Fewer tropical cyclones, but with higher intensity on average, and greater impacts when they occur through higher rain rates and higher sea level,” the report says on page three.

But roll forward to page 13 of the same report, under the heading Tropical Cyclones, and it says: “The trend in cyclone intensity in the Australian region is harder to quantify than cyclone frequency, due to uncertainties in estimating the intensity of individual cyclones and the relatively small number of intense cyclones.”

What are we to make of a report co-authored by two of the most respected scientific bodies in Australia that is so internally inconsistent?

On March 4, the CSIRO published an article on cyclones. Here it was more precise.

“There is a projected increase in (tropical cyclone) peak intensity, on average. We also expect to see an increase in the proportion of tropical cyclones that reach the more intense categories (category 4 or 5).

“However, there is large uncertainty in these projections due to challenges associated with modelling tropical cyclone physics in coarse-resolution climate models.”

So, models project storms might become more intense but they are qualified by “large uncertainty”. What about empirical observations, which are the bedrock of the scientific method?

Returning to the IPCC report, on page 1583 it says “there is low confidence in observed long-term (40 years or more) trends in (tropical cyclone) intensity, frequency, and duration”.

Professor Roger Pielke has spent decades researching what the Americans call hurricanes. In 2024 he published an article on global tropical cyclones that drew on a data set maintained by Colorado State University. Its records date from 1980 and it uses a metric called Accumulated Cyclone Energy, which combines cyclone frequency and intensity.

Pielke notes: “Over this time period and according to these metrics, hurricanes have not become more intense.”

Cyclones making landfall as far south as Brisbane are rare but Alfred is not unique.

The Brisbane Times reviewed the history of similar events and noted: “The last tropical cyclone to cross the southeast Queensland coast was ex-Tropical Cyclone Zoe in 1974, which arrived less than two months after Cyclone Wanda caused the catastrophic 1974 Brisbane floods.

“In January 1887 gale-force winds and heavy rains inundated the southeast corner, with buildings at Sandgate washed away, and 70 people reported dead.

“Across late January and February 1893, no less than five cyclones crossed the southeast and central Queensland coasts, sparking the Great Flood of Brisbane.”

There is no evidence that Alfred was caused by climate change. There is no evidence that burning less coal, oil and gas in Australia would have averted it or made it less ferocious. But that is precisely what the Climate Council, the Greens and a cavalcade of other politicians and activists intend to suggest as the media feeds on the fear they sow.

It’s all part of a pattern of climate misinformation that washes around the globe, echoed by governments, international institutions and the media as all aim to terrify populations into accepting wrenching and expensive change.

Perhaps the worst offender is UN secretary-general Antonio Guterres and the organisation he leads. Swedish public radio recently broadcast an investigation by journalist Ola Sandstig into four oft-repeated claims about global warming: that climate change kills 1.7 million children under the age of five every year; that women and children are 14 times likelier to die in natural disasters than men; that the number of weather disasters has increased fivefold since the 1970s; and that families in Samoa are abandoning their homes and moving inland because of climate change.

All are grossly misleading. The 1.7 million claim appears on the UNICEF website. Sandstig notes this number is 40 times higher than the average total yearly deaths recorded from natural disasters across the past decade. The figure is drawn from two World Health Organisation reports and neither refers to climate change. Both focus on traditional environmental killers such as indoor and outdoor air pollution and fetid water.

Numerous UN agencies claim that women and children are 14 times likelier than men to die in natural disasters. Sandstig traced that claim to a report written 27 years ago by anthropologist Kristina Peterson, who took one piece of anecdotal evidence from one disaster and included it in a 1997 article in the journal Natural Hazards Observer. The author says it was never intended to be a metric for all disasters.

“You know what’s crazy is I’ve had people call me about it and I have said ‘No, don’t use that’,” she told Sandstig. “Would you use data on climate from 25 years ago? I thought people had more sense.”

The claim that the weather disasters have increased fivefold since the 1970s has been spread by the World Meteorological Organisation and broadcast by Guterres himself. The source of this number is the Brussels-based Emergency Events Database.

The pioneer of that database, Professor Debarati Guha-Sapir, told Sandstig the rise was primarily due to a massive increase in reports on disasters because of better communications. It would be “dangerous and misleading” to claim there was a fivefold increase in weather-related disasters in the past 50 years.

“You can actually argue that climate disasters, or natural disasters, have not actually substantially increased but the reporting has been much easier, much better, much quicker,” Guha-Sapir said.

Last year, Guterres travelled to Samoa, stood in front of an abandoned home on a beach, and recorded a message posted on X.

“Those who lived in these houses had to move their homes further inland because of sea level rise and the multiplication of storms,” Guterres said.

Sandstig interviewed a member of the family that abandoned the house in 2009. They left after the 2009 earthquake and tsunami. Neither is connected to climate change.

Here Pielke takes up the story: “Relative sea level rise has accelerated in Samoa. But that also has nothing to do with climate change but, rather, increased subsidence following the 2009 earthquake.”

“UN secretary-general Guterres’ Samoan photo op and press release can only be described as an intentional effort to mislead,” Pielke says.

The prophets of an impending climate apocalypse appear to believe that weaponising lies for a noble cause is justified. But one day the truth will out, leaving those who traded in fear with nothing but the ruins of their credibility among the ashes of their cause.

 

[Knobby22]

"The number of tropical cyclones globally is unlikely to increase, according to the IPCC. But as the world warms, it says it is "very likely" they will have higher rates of rainfall and reach higher top wind speeds. This means a higher proportion would reach the most intense categories, four and five.16 Dec 2024"

 

[mullokintyre]

"The number of tropical cyclones globally is unlikely to increase, according to the IPCC. But as the world warms, it says it is "very likely" they will have higher rates of rainfall and reach higher top wind speeds. This means a higher proportion would reach the most intense categories, four and five.16 Dec 2024"

The problem is, the real world data, as distinct from predictions from modelling , do not back this up.
Historical observations, have shown that cyclones are more likely to occur in near Australian waters in La Nina years.
Models are unable to predict whether we are going into La Nina, el Nino or neutral conditions within any time frame greater than at best six months.
The Saffir -Simpson scale which is used to measure the intensity of Cyclones or Hurricanes, was only developed in the 1970's.
Cyclones have been around a lot longer than the 1970's.
Intensity does not conflate with destruction.
A Cat 5 cylone that crosses the coast on the north western reaches of WA will cause less damage than a cat 3 that lands on the FNQ coat around Innisfail.
It is also highly dependant on what stage the tides are at the crossing, a storm surge on top of a high tide can cause large amounts of damage.
This excerpt from the CSIRO on March 4th says they project an increase in intensity of tropical storms, but hedge their bets in admitting that it is difficult to model cyclones because of large uncertainty.

So in other words, they are guessing, or perhaps hoping.
So what we end up with is that
(1) The frequency of cyclones may or may not increase, though recent trends suggest the frequency had decreased.
(2) The intensity of cyclones may increase or decrease.
(3) The increase in intensity or frequencey may or may not be due to human induced climate change.
Everything else is just guesswork.
Mick

 

[Knobby22]

The problem is, the real world data, as distinct from predictions from modelling , do not back this up.
Historical observations, have shown that cyclones are more likely to occur in near Australian waters in La Nina years.
Models are unable to predict whether we are going into La Nina, el Nino or neutral conditions within any time frame greater than at best six months.
The Saffir -Simpson scale which is used to measure the intensity of Cyclones or Hurricanes, was only developed in the 1970's.
Cyclones have been around a lot longer than the 1970's.
Intensity does not conflate with destruction.
A Cat 5 cylone that crosses the coast on the north western reaches of WA will cause less damage than a cat 3 that lands on the FNQ coat around Innisfail.
It is also highly dependant on what stage the tides are at the crossing, a storm surge on top of a high tide can cause large amounts of damage.
This excerpt from the CSIRO on March 4th says they project an increase in intensity of tropical storms, but hedge their bets in admitting that it is difficult to model cyclones because of large uncertainty.

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So in other words, they are guessing, or perhaps hoping.
So what we end up with is that
(1) The frequency of cyclones may or may not increase, though recent trends suggest the frequency had decreased.
(2) The intensity of cyclones may increase or decrease.
(3) The increase in intensity or frequencey may or may not be due to human induced climate change.
Everything else is just guesswork.
Mick

I agree. It is guesswork.

We don't really have great records past 25 years ago. Not enough data. When we say cyclone incidence is stable we really don't know how common they are.

Three cyclones were formed in a row and one went to Brisbane, the other two went in other directions. Why?

It is logical though once they are formed their size will at least partially depend on water temperature.

The sea water hasn't warmed all that much at this time. I am interested in seeing what happens over the next twenty years.

 

[JohnDe]

The problem is, the real world data, as distinct from predictions from modelling , do not back this up.
Historical observations, have shown that cyclones are more likely to occur in near Australian waters in La Nina years.
Models are unable to predict whether we are going into La Nina, el Nino or neutral conditions within any time frame greater than at best six months.
The Saffir -Simpson scale which is used to measure the intensity of Cyclones or Hurricanes, was only developed in the 1970's.
Cyclones have been around a lot longer than the 1970's.
Intensity does not conflate with destruction.
A Cat 5 cylone that crosses the coast on the north western reaches of WA will cause less damage than a cat 3 that lands on the FNQ coat around Innisfail.
It is also highly dependant on what stage the tides are at the crossing, a storm surge on top of a high tide can cause large amounts of damage.
This excerpt from the CSIRO on March 4th says they project an increase in intensity of tropical storms, but hedge their bets in admitting that it is difficult to model cyclones because of large uncertainty.

View attachment 194918
So in other words, they are guessing, or perhaps hoping.
So what we end up with is that
(1) The frequency of cyclones may or may not increase, though recent trends suggest the frequency had decreased.
(2) The intensity of cyclones may increase or decrease.
(3) The increase in intensity or frequencey may or may not be due to human induced climate change.
Everything else is just guesswork.
Mick

There is also the question of people’s insulation from natural weather and the total saturation by digital media adding false fear and solutions.

One reason for the increase in destruction and cost is the increase in the number of people building in areas prone to cyclones and flooding.

Does anyone blame the earthquakes on climate change changes? People live and build in beautiful areas, knowing there are risks. Well, most used to know. Now they think they are victims of climate change change.

Cyclone Yasi - Wikipedia

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[JohnDe]

My weekend climate change

35 degrees, water temperature perfect, people happy, life in Australia is good.

 

[Sean K]

Bloody hell, the BOM are being smashed.

Not sure if the ABC, or the Guardian, are reporting the same.

Might be good to cross check.

The Bureau of Meteorology has been accused of failing to warn Hervey Bay of severe storms that dumped more than 300mm of rain on the coastal community, causing flash flooding and a string of swiftwater rescues.

Located about 280km north of Brisbane, Hervey Bay was hit by the northern edge of Cyclone Alfred apparently after residents were told they were no longer in the firing line.

So intense was the rain, police declared an emergency situation in an effort to keep people out of flooded streets. Fraser Coast regional mayor George Seymour said more than a dozen people had to be rescued from their cars or houses as intense rain overwhelmed the streets and drainage system.

He said the situation was not helped by the fact they had been advised by the BOM that Hervey Bay was no longer in the crosshairs.

“As of Saturday we were outside of the cyclone watch, and we were outside of the severe weather warning area, so by the time the BOM issued a severe weather warning at 5am (Sunday), it had been raining heavily for over an hour,” Mr Seymour said.

“It has added to the problems because people were prepared for the cyclone, then they took us off the cyclone watch, they took us out of the severe weather warning area and took us out of the coastal warning area. According to all the weather advice we received, we were well and truly out of the situation.”

 

[rcw1]

I suppose it's all we have and the BOM act in good faith (I hope) but their forecasts are used to determine a lot of significant decisions. Most importantly, footy games being cancelled. What a disaster. Not to mention other less important things like flights being cancelled or Prime Ministers delaying an election decision. The BOM have a lot riding on this. Maybe that's why the high variance in potential rainfall.

Yes indeed so.

BoM is the only one point of truth. Like all occupations you get the good with the bad... Mostly worst case scenario options are modelled for others to develop contingency plans and execute accordingly, when and if needed. Sometimes, truth be told, in some dynamic situations it would be difficult to evidence base a forecast, rcw1 gets the feeling that they don't really know what is going happen.

Overall, where rcw1 is from BoM saved lives and made life less difficult ...

But... they have been wrong.

rcw1 yarn:

Was out bush fencing (contract) with the local aboriginals, middle nowhere west coast in the Gulf (Queensland). Just after midnight, the local copper from an Aboriginal Community found our camp. The copper told us that a cyclone was coming and forecast to cross the coast somewhere between Kowanyama and Pormporaaw midmorning sometime .... ha ha ha ha ha ha
Anyways the lad highly recommended we pull up camp and head back to the community, while we could, which we did.

That was Cyclone Warren in March 1995, a category two. It bounced all the way down Mornington Island way, come close to the Island, battered it, and made landfall in an isolated area.

Kind regards
rcw1

 

[Ferret]

Bloody hell, the BOM are being smashed.

This is one of the things wrong with modern society.

The BOM is mostly staffed by meteorologists whose main aim is to predict the weather for the benefit of all, and here they are being turned into political footballs because meteorology is not an exact science.

 

[mullokintyre]

This is one of the things wrong with modern society.

The BOM is mostly staffed by meteorologists whose main aim is to predict the weather for the benefit of all, and here they are being turned into political footballs because meteorology is not an exact science.

Quite true, and yet we are constantly assured that in terms of climate, "the science is settled".
People will say that weather is not climate.
But it is climate that produces the weather.
Mick

 

[IFocus]

This is one of the things wrong with modern society.

The BOM is mostly staffed by meteorologists whose main aim is to predict the weather for the benefit of all, and here they are being turned into political footballs because meteorology is not an exact science.

Outrage media upset a suburban area got hammered still heart goes out to all those affected doesn’t change the lack of warning has anyone attacking the BOM ever watched a local rain radar cells often form unexpectedly in storm conditions

 

[Smurf1976]

The Bureau of Meteorology has been accused of failing to warn Hervey Bay of severe storms that dumped more than 300mm of rain on the coastal community, causing flash flooding and a string of swiftwater rescues.

The real problem is people failing to use common sense.

280km from Brisbane.

That's more than close enough that any sensible person would consider they ought keep an active watch on the situation since it wouldn't need much of a change to bring trouble.

 

[Smurf1976]

One reason for the increase in destruction and cost is the increase in the number of people building in areas prone to cyclones and flooding.

That plus making inappropriate decisions in relation to that building.

Wrong materials, house on the ground rather than raised up where floods are an issue, trees too close, inadequate drainage, etc.

All of which comes down to competence and humans doing silly things they really ought not be doing.

Never thought fibro would come back into fashion as a building material but it has. Only difference is a different fibre and different name but it's the same concept, cement sheets as a cladding material over a timber frame. Today it's the latest fashion in new build housing. A generation ago it was synonymous with being poor and identifying knockdown rebuild opportunities.

Why anyone would pick fibro over brick is, well, humans doing strange things......

 

[wayneL]

Devastating

 

[wayneL]

Rules for thee but not for me?

 

[mullokintyre]

Another along those lines. of hypocrisy.
Mike the hyphen feels conflicted about using his private jet.
Imagine how the rest of us feel who have to travel by cattle class in QANTAS.
Mick

 

[basilio]

Another along those lines. of hypocrisy.
Mike the hyphen feels conflicted about using his private jet.
Imagine how the rest of us feel who have to travel by cattle class in QANTAS.
Mick

I think if I had a few billion bucks and I was putting a big whack of it into massive renewable energy projects then the planetary pay off seems reasonable.

Same rationale for Twiggy swanning around the world and looking to develop multiple green energy projects.

Pitting up with this sort of selective reporting is just part of the price.

 

[basilio]

Alan Kohler has written a piece on Global Warming in the Trump era.

The new head of the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Lee Zeldin, chose the fire station in that tiny village between Pittsburgh and Cleveland to announce that he was "driving a dagger through the heart of climate change religion", as he put it.

Zeldin is rolling back 31 environmental rules (Make America Dirty Again?) including the EPA’s 2009 finding that greenhouse gases endanger public health and welfare, which has been the legal basis for all US action against climate change.

In short, Trump’s America is abandoning climate action.
Goes into the effect on Australia of what will be the new climate reality of this behavior.
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The reality of a 3-4°C temperature rise​

On the same day that Lee Zeldin was stabbing climate change religion to death with his dagger, the French minister for “ecological transition”, Agnes Pannier-Runacher released a 377-page report titled Le Plan National d’Adaptation, designed to prepare France for 4°C of warming. Four degrees!

My French is limited, but the plan looks quite inadequate for the catastrophe that sort of rise in global temperature would bring. At least they are thinking about it.

As global temperatures climb, climate scientists say some of the things that made Tropical Cyclone Alfred unique could be a taste of the future.

For Australia, warming of 3-4°C would see the complete destruction of the Great Barrier Reef, constant flooding of south-east Queensland and northern NSW, cyclones as far south as Coffs Harbour, frequent bushfires everywhere else, and a massive refugee flood as Bangladesh and Pacific Islands are inundated.

Apart from the refugees, preparing for that risk is largely a matter of infrastructure and insurance – in other words, money.

About 25 per cent of Queensland households are currently uninsured, according to the Actuaries Institute. As premiums rise, that number will increase.

In south-east Queensland, 70 per cent of houses were built before the 1970s. All of them are in Region B of the National Construction Code (NCC), which means they are not built to withstand a category 2 cyclone.

If Cyclone Alfred had not become a tropical low before hitting the Queensland coast, and had stayed Category 2, many thousands of families would have been financially ruined. Their uninsured houses would have lost their roofs or collapsed.

The next cyclone, or the one after that, will likely remain as Category 2.

As Trump abandons climate action, we must accept net zero won't happen

While markets and media were chasing Donald Trump’s tariff fiasco last week, something far more important was unfolding in East Palestine, Ohio.

www.abc.net.au