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Well, that is deeply personal, but something along the lines of the cliched "world peace"?
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The banking cartel and right side of J…h supremacy as to Bolshevik communism is to the left.
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People like me tell you but you say I'm wrong, so what do you think it is?
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Zion is a physical place in Israel, sometimes used in place of Israel as a whole.
Zionism is to believe that the Jewish people are entitled to a Homeland, vis a vis Jewish nationalism.
Not a whole lot different to Australian, British, American, or whoever else, nationalism.
The corollary of which is that if people wish to deny Zionism then you also deny any other sort of nationalism... Pretty simple, once the conspiracy theories are discarded.
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Well I think Zionusm encompasses Palestinian land as well as the established State of Israel, so they want someone else's homeland as well as their own.
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Is this based on your opinion, propaganda, or your actual readings of history?
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And I would point out that the history his far more complex, from the point of view of both sides, than what might be used to justify any one position.
It's a study rather than some short propagandist article from a vested interest.
We cannot truncate the history at any one point in time
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Research.
In any case if Zionism was just a desire for a Jewish homeland, they have it, its called Israel, so what's the problem?
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Jewish settlers has been crossing borders established by the UN, and others don't like it.
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Israel has legitimate historical claims over Judea and Samaria (aka The West Bank). Issue is probably a lot more complex than what is portrayed in the Western media.
Consider Israel proper where 20% of the population are Arabic Muslims and Druze with equal constitutional rights. Equally consider Gaza where Israel completely withdrew in 2006, forcibly removing all Israeli settlements and even leaving infrastructure behind.
It is not a single issue of those "dog-darn Jewish settlers". They are always far more vectors at play.
However these are outside issues with the question of Zionism. Zionism is certainly not what the majority of conspiracy theorists think it is and is no more sinister then the nationalism of any state, including Australia and other Western countries.
Does Israel make mistakes do some bad s***?
Most certainly, but wanna know what we and our allies in the five eyes alliance are up to?
None of us have any right to criticise.
And then if we analyze a little bit further let us analyze what the Islamic states are up to.
I'll leave it there and rely on your faculties of critical thinking to lead you to the only logical conclusion.
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BTW Horace, whose land are you settled on at this point in time?
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Mine, I paid for it.
Palestinians are actually Semites via DNA testing it should be noted. Many of the Israelis are less so if at all. It's a clash of religions.
I don't like this "religion as identity" grift. Where you can use it as a racial description as if it's inherent stored in your dna. It would be like describing you as a Christian as your race. I find aspects of all religions stupid. Jewish faith has aspects of stupidity and greed peppered through it.
I don't like this "religion as identity" grift. Where you can use it as a racial description as if it's inherent stored in your dna. It would be like describing you as a Christian as your race. I find aspects of all religions stupid. Jewish faith has aspects of stupidity and greed peppered through it.
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"Jewish" is an interesting word. And has a much more broad meaning than "Christian".
In the Jewish world, if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish no matter what your dominant race is, whether you subscribe to the religion of Judaism at all. IOW, you can be religiously Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist or whatever; if your mother is Jewish you are Jewish.
This does not exist for any other group so quite unique in that regard.
Second point, as usage in the English language stands, semitic and anti-semitic does seem to have quite different underlying meanings.
Semantic does absolutely refer to a racial/ethnic ethnic group, not necessarily Jewish.
However the dictionary definition of anti-semitic does refer to being anti Jewish. That can be confusing and being a patent it doesn't sit well with me either but, there it is.
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Don't know. If you are born Muslim the Muslim Church owns you for life and if you try to leave they will kill you.
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That is true but it is still a little bit different. In Islam it is a religious thing, Judaism it is an ethnic thing. You can be a Buddhist and still be a Jew... And they won't try to kill you.
Even in Israel you can be whatever religion you want and still be a Jew. You can also be an Arab Muslim or Drew's or whatever and they still won't try to kill you.
It's kind of weird from our Western perspective race and religion and whatnot.
My wife's best friend (now passed away unfortunately)was an absolute atheist, but still identified as a Jew.
Ex Muslims do not identify as Muslim, no matter what the previous community thinks.
It seems like a construct to me. Otherwise you would think Palestinians are more Jewish than the Jews.
I'm a little ignorant on that topic. I understand the lineage deal. But I've heard opinions (I haven't verified) that the Palestinians are descended from the jews in the bible.
After a short search apparently Israel has now worked out a Jewish DNA test. Seems to be working with a certain marker though.
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No. Isreal has always been Palestinians' land, in the early days the Bible referred it to the Holy Land so its one or the other
England has always been for the Anglo just as Palistian/ hold land has been to the Palestinian
Australia was formed by a bunch of convicts and set up as a Penial colony sent over by the Brits who were bankrupt to the Zionist Bankers
Isreal was brought by the Rothchild with the profits of WW1 through the Belford declaration that the British went to war with Germany as Germany was seen as a rising threat. Zionism was founded in the late 1800s by Thedor Herzl who was a jewish national/communist
most of the zionists and zews today are Ashkenazi who are from eastern Europe nowhere near the land of Israel
Zionism - Wikipedia
Theodor Herz
conspiracy, no as here is one of the Rothschilds explaining this
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This is absolute nonsense. Pick up any Bible and at the back there are always maps representing various periods in biblical times, based on non-biased scholarship and archaeological evidence.
It is true that the occupying Romans referred to the area as Palestinia (the reason for which is conjecture), but it is never what the local Hebrews ever refered to themself as.
As to the ethnicity of the Jewish people, vis a vis Ashkenazi, Sephardic and other groups is a subjective ongoing research, indeed as is the ethnic origin of the Arabic Palestinians.
It's far more complicated than some binary division.
Let's use England as a classic example seeing as you mentioned it. The British Isles have been invaded/settled by numerous waves of European peoples and comprise of an admixture of several ethnic groups, Briton's, Celts, Nordics, Roman, Gaulish, Angles, Jutes, Saxons. Dammit, my parents were indigenous Brits, yet my DNA profile has all sorts of stuff in it.
However as I tried to explain above being Jewish is more than religioun and ethnicity, or a DNA profile, it is also a cultural thing which is quite different to how we view other groups in the world.
But if you think that in biblical times that the land belonged to the people who we currently refer to as Arab Palestinians, then I am sorry you are suffering a chronic dose of Jew delusion syndrome.
