What is an Aboriginal?

[wayneL]

If you ever followed Aboriginal history from white settlement you would know that Aboriginals were never subservient that goes for your conservative spouting hero’s the massacres Australia wide testament to their resistance.

To act against the aspirations of 80% (polling) of your own people is typical of conservative values totally in line with the values of the current Liberal Party

Ugh... This divisive drivel is why I love Jacinta's approach and why I dislike the approach of those beguiled by Marxist ideology such a Langdon. (Marxist was a bona fide racist btw.)

Yo, "The Voice" cannot fulfill those aspirations only fill the pockets of the (mostly white) "elite".

 

[wayneL]

...but we are getting off topic. There is already a thread on the voice.

The question here still has not been answered - What is an Aboriginal?

 

[farmerge]

I haven't posted in this thread, but I think making it political is drawing a long bow, I would expect people on both sides of politics will vote both ways.
I doubt very many people will vote based on which party they follow, other than the rusted on few.

Ah Mr trawler you have hit the nail on the head. I will vote how i think, not what ever party I chose to follow suggests how I should vote on this matter. Amen.

 

[IFocus]

I haven't posted in this thread, but I think making it political is drawing a long bow, I would expect people on both sides of politics will vote both ways.
I doubt very many people will vote based on which party they follow, other than the rusted on few.

Apparently it’s driven by Marxism ?

My own take is it will largely decided by age groups the older generation as shown by this thread driven by older people terrified of change and deep seated prejudice younger generation wanting change and solutions

 

[SirRumpole]

Apparently it’s driven by Marxism ?

My own take is it will largely decided by age groups the older generation as shown by this thread driven by older people terrified of change and deep seated prejudice younger generation wanting change and solutions

Just because people are young, doesn't mean that they are right.

 

[Sean K]

...but we are getting off topic. There is already a thread on the voice.

The question here still has not been answered - What is an Aboriginal?

I did a Google, but we know that only provides Leftard results, so I’m not sure I’m fully informed.

There was a link to a government website that tried to define it, but genetics was only a third of the qualification. How can that be? Surely DNA is the basis for defining a race? Or, is Australian Aboriginal not a race?

 

[sptrawler]

Apparently it’s driven by Marxism ?

My own take is it will largely decided by age groups the older generation as shown by this thread driven by older people terrified of change and deep seated prejudice younger generation wanting change and solutions

I also think it will get through, as to whether it will change anything I have my doubts, but it will make people feel like they have done their bit.
You have to remember nearly 50% of voters live between Melbourne and Brisbane, how many of them have seen the issues first hand, not many is my guess.
So why wouldn't they do the feel good thing? It saves thinking about the issues and gives them something to chat about on the balcony overlooking the coathanger.

The deep seated prejudice is on display in most country towns and the door swings both ways, the aboriginal behaviour doesn't lend itself to people having a benevolent attitude toward them.
Middle Australia funds most of the aboriginal welfare and middle Australia suffers the most from poor aboriginal behaviour.
As for being terrified of change, i'll bet you a pound to a pinch of sht that there is no change in the aboriginal behaviour, you can't make people be what they don't want to be.
We want them to be materialistic wage slaves and get on the capitalist hamster wheel, they don't want to, saying that if they had a voice they will change is like saying you or I would live like they do if we were given the opportunity.
Some white people do and are happy to do so, but the majority don't, the same with the aboriginals some want to become wage slaves, the majority don't.
So be it, there isn't a right and wrong, we are just virtue signalling to make ourselves feel better.

I thought Tony Abbott had a good idea, when he suggested consolidating a lot of the small poorly serviced communities into larger ones in the same area.
Then housing, water and sewage etc would be easier to service and education/health services would be better facilitated.
The larger communities could be built with recognition of mob boundaries, to respect their different tribes.
Made a lot of sense to me as I worked with village power supplies, we were stretched covering all the tiny scattered communities, but as usual the idea was shouted down.
I wouldn't be surprised, if the idea isn't re floated as a new idea, from the enlightened ones.
As for younger people wanting change, they certainly are supplying it, have you noticed the increase of violence in schools, the young people no longer standing up on public transport to let the elderly and infirmed have a seat, yep I certainly seeing change and they do like their solutions.
By the way, it was that older generation, who are scared of change, that stopped the Vietnam war and conscription, so it isn't as though they were apathetic.

 

[StockyGuy]

A few years ago Latham was pushing for minimum 25% proven by testing Aboriginal DNA to accrue any benefit from that designation - https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article...le-to-prove-ancestry-with-dna-tests/tobyyg7zx .

He was partly shouted shouted down for it being scientifically unfeasible. I think the difficulties are a bit exaggerated in the linked article; but there are some issues with all precise ancestry delineation - that's undeniable. (Any of ya'll who've had your DNA tested with more than one company will know that results are (basically) never identical. And there's company updates over time to ancestry estimates - had one a while ago where I and a lot of other customers were getting very inflated Irish percentages.)

 

[farmerge]

I also think it will get through, as to whether it will change anything I have my doubts, but it will make people feel like they have done their bit.
You have to remember nearly 50% of voters live between Melbourne and Brisbane, how many of them have seen the issues first hand, not many is my guess.
So why wouldn't they do the feel good thing? It saves thinking about the issues and gives them something to chat about on the balcony overlooking the coathanger.

The deep seated prejudice is on display in most country towns and the door swings both ways, the aboriginal behaviour doesn't lend itself to people having a benevolent attitude toward them.
Middle Australia funds most of the aboriginal welfare and middle Australia suffers the most from poor aboriginal behaviour.
As for being terrified of change, i'll bet you a pound to a pinch of sht that there is no change in the aboriginal behaviour, you can't make people be what they don't want to be.
We want them to be materialistic wage slaves and get on the capitalist hamster wheel, they don't want to, saying that if they had a voice they will change is like saying you or I would live like they do if we were given the opportunity.
Some white people do and are happy to do so, but the majority don't, the same with the aboriginals some want to become wage slaves, the majority don't.
So be it, there isn't a right and wrong, we are just virtue signalling to make ourselves feel better.

I thought Tony Abbott had a good idea, when he suggested consolidating a lot of the small poorly serviced communities into larger ones in the same area.
Then housing, water and sewage etc would be easier to service and education/health services would be better facilitated.
The larger communities could be built with recognition of mob boundaries, to respect their different tribes.
Made a lot of sense to me as I worked with village power supplies, we were stretched covering all the tiny scattered communities, but as usual the idea was shouted down.
I wouldn't be surprised, if the idea isn't re floated as a new idea, from the enlightened ones.
As for younger people wanting change, they certainly are supplying it, have you noticed the increase of violence in schools, the young people no longer standing up on public transport to let the elderly and infirmed have a seat, yep I certainly seeing change and they do like their solutions.
By the way, it was that older generation, who are scared of change, that stopped the Vietnam war and conscription, so it isn't as though they were apathetic.

I still reckon they are the laziest mob of cargo cult believers around.

 

[Sean K]

30% Stan wore green quite well in the old days, sans boot polish.

 

[sptrawler]

People's perception of themselves, are always clouded with personal bias.

 

[SirRumpole]

If Stan didn't waste so much time playing the victim h e might actually achieve something.

 

[farmerge]

If Stan didn't waste so much time playing the victim h e might actually achieve something.

I wonder how much time he spends in a solararium, getting that you beaut tan.

 

[sptrawler]

What amazed me was his claim that racism is violence, maybe he should spend some time telling that to 'his' people, who are perpetrating violence in country towns throughout Australia.

 

[farmerge]

What amazed me was his claim that racism is violence, maybe he should spend some time telling that to 'his' people, who are perpetrating violence in country towns throughout Australia.

Hmmm Mr sp I think that Mr S Grant can't mak up his mind which culture and lifestyle he wants to be part of.
No good having a big toe either side of the line.

 

[sptrawler]

Hmmm Mr sp I think that Mr S Grant can't mak up his mind which culture and lifestyle he wants to be part of.
No good having a big toe either side of the line.

Yes it is difficult reconciling the trappings of the lifestyle you indulge, while complaining about the lifestyle you have lost, life is all about contradictions.
It is the unfortunate downside of an affluent society.

 

[farmerge]

Yes it is difficult reconciling the trappings of the lifestyle you indulge, while complaining about the lifestyle you have lost, life is all about contradictions.
It is the unfortunate downside of an affluent society.

Some years ago i had a young bloke , 1st peoples, working with and for me for 4 years. Born an alcoholic to alcoholic parents, taken from them at 3 months and raised by a well meaning, but very religious family. He considered himself whiter than white, even though he made the ace of spads look light. At age 40 managed to get off the booze and in the preceding years and up to now has had a very good work ethic as a plant operator. Still even now at 45 doesn't consider himself an Aborigianal of 1st peoples heritage.