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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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over9k said:
Horrible looking chart. Has the market missed it or is it shite for a reason?
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Glad you said that.
Now I know I can expect it to rocket...lol.

As said, logical timing is after the immediate lithium frenzy, which I believe is starting to cool/ ease off with rotation a plenty still being seen.

For such a low priced species with a long history in its field, and a dividend payer, it will get discovered soon enough.
 
frugal.rock said:
Glad you said that.
Now I know I can expect it to rocket...lol.

As said, logical timing is after the immediate lithium frenzy, which I believe is starting to cool/ ease off with rotation a plenty still being seen.

For such a low priced species with a long history in its field, and a dividend payer, it will get discovered soon enough.
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No no rock you've gotta wait for me to say I'm going to sell my holdings, then it'll take off.

Conversely, I'll say I'm going to buy at open tomorrow or something & then it will tank.


Which would you like to occur and I'll put an order in for the opposite.


(I hate you btw :p)
 
If I recall correctly, Ampol? was investing in installing EV chargers at 50? strategically selected servos.
It's bin a while since I (recently lol) read up on it, my point is, and the main takeaway for me was the knowledge that even the fossil fuelers are future prepping/ hedging.
With Rectifier Technologies RFT being Australian, hopefully they get supported by local industry and the grubberment.
 
frugal.rock said:
hopefully they get supported by local industry and the grubberment. ???
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They'll do all but die in ditch trying to slow it down in this country.
Morriscum will hate EV's until NewsCorp tells him not to... A lot of welded legacy auto industry doners trying to hold back the tide as long as possible.
Best we can hope for is an policy Auction on EV incentives in the run up to the next election.
 
frugal.rock said:
If I recall correctly, Ampol? was investing in installing EV chargers at 50? strategically selected servos.
It's bin a while since I (recently lol) read up on it, my point is, and the main takeaway for me was the knowledge that even the fossil fuelers are future prepping/ hedging.
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The energy industry, all of it from FF exploration through to electricity and fuels retail, is far less focused on the ideological war than the public would likely assume.

As I pointed out to someone on the "green" side of the debate some time ago, one key to removing opposition and moving forward with the whole thing is to enable a viable business pathway for the likes of BP, Shell and so on. The aim isn't to put them out of business as such, it's the oil that's a problem not the company per se. If they can build a viable business running public EV chargers or whatever and leverage their existing retail sites and brand for that then that's a good thing not a bad thing.

For the record, at least one of the very large fossil fuel companies does incorporate climate change into their own operations planning. They treat it as a purely matter of fact sort of thing not something that's contentious - climate is changing, this is what's happened thus far and this is the modeling going forward, these are the impacts.

It's politicians that do politics. :2twocents
 
orr said:
They'll do all but die in ditch trying to slow it down in this country.
Morriscum will hate EV's until NewsCorp tells him not to... A lot of welded legacy auto industry doners trying to hold back the tide as long as possible.
Best we can hope for is an policy Auction on EV incentives in the run up to the next election.
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Scomo still wont give your footy back Orr? ? ? ? ?
 
Smurf1976 said:
The energy industry, all of it from FF exploration through to electricity and fuels retail, is far less focused on the ideological war than the public would likely assume.

As I pointed out to someone on the "green" side of the debate some time ago, one key to removing opposition and moving forward with the whole thing is to enable a viable business pathway for the likes of BP, Shell and so on. The aim isn't to put them out of business as such, it's the oil that's a problem not the company per se. If they can build a viable business running public EV chargers or whatever and leverage their existing retail sites and brand for that then that's a good thing not a bad thing.

For the record, at least one of the very large fossil fuel companies does incorporate climate change into their own operations planning. They treat it as a purely matter of fact sort of thing not something that's contentious - climate is changing, this is what's happened thus far and this is the modeling going forward, these are the impacts.

It's politicians that do politics. :2twocents
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I assume these fossil fuel companies are not run by muppets, the same as the miners, the Banks and the power generation companies, they will all be looking at ways to transition away from fossil fuel and remain afloat and profitable.

Meanwhile we will still need fossil fuel for quite some time, it is a shame the media isn't mentioning that side, but then again I guess that wouldn't help with circulation.
 
Smurf1976 said:
OIL ...., is far less focused on the ideological war than the public would likely assume.


The aim isn't to put them out of business as such, it's the oil that's a problem not the company per se.

It's politicians that do politics. :2twocents
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That's there, Oil's, problem.... Renewable energy(wind and solar) is now a lower cost proposition and that's where investment will flow; Econmics "One O' One". It ain't ideological it'$ Financial
Death by a thousand cuts ...Every solar panal is another straw on Saudi Arimco's camels (and others) back....

Oh and Trawler once you've unsnagged your nets; What are the Smucks Government EV policy postions??? (so many hard questions)... Australia would love to know....not likely to hear much on that are we...till Murdoch says so...
 
orr said:
It ain't ideological it'$ Financial
Death by a thousand cuts ...Every solar panal is another straw on Saudi Arimco's camels (and others) back....
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Solar panels per se aren't competing against oil beyond to a very minimal extent since they're displacing the use of coal and gas primarily.

Electric cars are however competing directly against oil except in the minority of cases where the electricity used to charge them is generated from oil (but even then, they're still using less of it). :2twocents
 
orr said:
Oh and Trawler once you've unsnagged your nets; What are the Smucks Government EV policy postions??? (so many hard questions)... Australia would love to know....not likely to hear much on that are we...till Murdoch says so...
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Well IMO I would rather a policy wasn't decided, until some form of International standard charging protocol is adopted, currently it is all over the place.
But we could do what we normally do and just chuck $hit in, then have to replace it all in a couple of years, because it is the wrong plug or voltage.
As with the State electrical distribution systems, the rapid change to renewables is causing havoc with a distribution system that was never designed for it. So the States are reconfiguring their transmission network to facilitate the roll out.
Much the same will happen with E.V's IMO, the rapid take up world wide will cause auto makers to have to conform to some international standards, which as far as I know haven't been decided yet.

Most modern chargers and vehicles have a standard connector and receptacle, called the SAE J1772. Any vehicle with this plug receptacle can use any Level 1 or Level 2 EVSE. ... However, other EVs (the Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi i-MiEV in particular) use a different type of fast-charge connector called CHAdeMO.
The CHAdeMO charging on the Nissan leaf is currently being assessed for vehicle to grid charging for use in Australia.
arena.gov.au

Realising Electric Vehicle-to-Grid Services

The Realising Electric Vehicle-to-grid Services project seeks to unlock the economic and grid benefits of vehicle-to-grid (V2G) services.
arena.gov.au arena.gov.au

arena.gov.au

Test driving electric vehicle home charging technologies

ARENA announced $2.9 million for AGL to undertake a large scale electric vehicle charging trial across NSW, QLD, VIC and SA
arena.gov.au arena.gov.au

So us charging ahead, guns blazing away, as per little Kev, will just end up with another pink batts disaster IMO rubbish tips full of batts when the bubble burst.
But in this case it would be millions of dollars worth of useless charging infrastructure and many people buying expensive BEV's that actually aren't really that usefull.
But hey as long as your grabbing a headline, that's the main thing for some politicians. :xyxthumbs
 
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Smurf1976 said:
Solar panels per se aren't competing against oil beyond to a very minimal extent since they're displacing the use of coal and gas primarily.
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Gas is a core business of oil companies, quite a few “Oil” companies actually produce more gas these days.

The headline “oil production” is often actually “Barrels of oil equivalent” meaning when they say they produced X barrels of oil, not all of that figure is liquid for some it’s well over 50% gas products, which would be in competition with increasing renewables, but also benefiting from the slow death of coal.
 
orr said:
Oh and Trawler once you've unsnagged your nets; What are the Smucks Government EV policy postions??? (so many hard questions)... Australia would love to know....not likely to hear much on that are we...till Murdoch says so...
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I answered your question, have you something to add? Or has the cat got your tonque? ?
 
Tawler, EV sales in Australia 2020 were % 00.6 of new car sales..
Worlds Best, Norway 2020 %54...
And you some how construe that as a positive Australian National EV Policy environment. Good luck you'll need it...
Ten years ago when this thread kicked off one of the first posts nailed it "Electric Vehichals inevertable"
2014 Tesla installed it's first public Charging points.

In less than ten years the light vehical market will have bigger sales than ICE. One of the biggest industrial reconfigerations of the last century is happening under our feet... In Morrisons case 'feet of clay'.

Back in 1964 Donald Horne also nailed something; The themes of "the Lucky Country" are sadly to relevant today. Buy a copy for the smart one in your family...
 
Cheapest mass production EV car in Australia is the MG ZS EV, $44 k.
Excellent review on the car and its capacities. Perhaps the money point was the following observation

Once you practically eliminate fuel costs, dramatically reduce the need for servicing and replacement parts (EVs have fewer moving parts, hence fewer things to go wrong), the MG ZS EV is looking fairly competitive with a petrol car.

www.theguardian.com

Australia's cheapest EV: can it survive a week of on-street parking and one very sandy dog?

The MG ZS EV brings electric cars into the realm of financial possibility for many more families. But is there a gap between possible and practical?
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
orr said:
Tawler, EV sales in Australia 2020 were % 00.6 of new car sales..
Worlds Best, Norway 2020 %54...
And you some how construe that as a positive Australian National EV Policy environment. Good luck you'll need it...
Ten years ago when this thread kicked off one of the first posts nailed it "Electric Vehichals inevertable"
2014 Tesla installed it's first public Charging points.

In less than ten years the light vehical market will have bigger sales than ICE. One of the biggest industrial reconfigerations of the last century is happening under our feet... In Morrisons case 'feet of clay'.

Back in 1964 Donald Horne also nailed something; The themes of "the Lucky Country" are sadly to relevant today. Buy a copy for the smart one in your family...
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My personal guess is, Australia will be over 50% EV sales by 2030 and the infrastructure will be in to support it. The really funny thing is Scomo will probably still be in as well. There is certainly no opposition to be seen yet, so you may just have to keep complaining for a while.
 
orr said:
Tawler, EV sales in Australia 2020 were % 00.6 of new car sales..
Worlds Best, Norway 2020 %54...
And you some how construe that as a positive Australian National EV Policy environment. Good luck you'll need it...
Ten years ago when this thread kicked off one of the first posts nailed it "Electric Vehichals inevertable"
2014 Tesla installed it's first public Charging points.

In less than ten years the light vehical market will have bigger sales than ICE. One of the biggest industrial reconfigerations of the last century is happening under our feet... In Morrisons case 'feet of clay'.

Back in 1964 Donald Horne also nailed something; The themes of "the Lucky Country" are sadly to relevant today. Buy a copy for the smart one in your family...
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So just to clarify Orr, should I buy a copy for the smartest one in my family, or the youngest one who can spell better than you? ? ? ? ? ? ?
He would be about five years old. ?
But hey we are drifting off topic, this is about cutting edge electric car information, not a political point scoring thread.
If you think the Government should do more to subsidies the uptake fine, let's discuss it, if you want it to be a mud slinging excericise then change threads.
Joe obviously has spent his time and money, to try and keep the nonsense out of the main forum, where it can be kept where it should be, under the radar in the argy bargy general chat section.
 
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