Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[SirRumpole]

That is bad enough. The fact that many of his supporters still follow his path as irrational and dangerous as it is, is a bigger problem.

Do you mean Shorten or Trump ? (or both)

 

[Smurf1976]

That is bad enough. The fact that many of his supporters still follow his path as irrational and dangerous as it is, is a bigger problem.

Which one (Bill or Trump)?

Bill Shorten - I don't agree with many of his ideas but he seems the least bad option really. The "coalition" is beyond taking seriously at this point and there's nobody else with a realistic chance of forming government. It's Billy or bust really, quite likely both in that order.

Trump - An incredibly dangerous man who, as sociopaths generally do, has one by one removed all moderating influences and other barriers thus giving himself for practical purposes ultimate power. That almost certainly is going to end badly.

An observation in Australia with potential relevance to the US is that of the states feeling that they need to go their own way. The Victorian government's deal with China was one example but there are others. The national government is so ineffective at practically everything that everyone from the states to private companies are finding ways around them as the only means of getting anything done. Far from leading, they've become an outright hindrance.

I do wonder where that ends up in both Australia and the US? Constitutional change? An outright breakup? Some hybrid model?

 

[sptrawler]

Bill Shorten - I don't agree with many of his ideas but he seems the least bad option really.

That just about sums it up perfectly. IMO

 

[Darc Knight]

Bas, I learnt many years ago, people don't want to explore my judgement, just bash me over the head with theirs. Lol

But we tried your ideas Homer, it's just the mass starvations sorta took the gloss off 18th century laissez faire society.

 

[luutzu]

But we tried your ideas Homer, it's just the mass starvations sorta took the gloss off 18th century laissez faire society.

If at first you don't succeed... try and try and try again until the plebs got sick of pitchforks and guillotines.

Trump's demand for a partial wall is putting a few hundred thousand public servants out of work. A further 1m or so sensitive/security employees are forced to work without pay.

When the gov't finally decided to stop playing with these worker's lives, let's hope the back pay also is granted and also include the interests they'd have to repay from lenders.

I mean, about 60% of Americans do not have $1000 for an emergency... chances are bills aren't being paid and essentials are being cut back.

But ey, what's a couple million lives security when it's national security and all them drugs and bad brown people stuff you're trying to stop with a wall they can just climb over.

 

[Smurf1976]

Trump's demand for a partial wall is putting a few hundred thousand public servants out of work. A further 1m or so sensitive/security employees are forced to work without pay.

It will only be a matter of time until the "sensitive / security" employees demand payment or walk off the job I expect.

There will come a point where their own bank, landlord, utility company etc demands payment and some union or similar gets involved.

Then the brown stuff really will hit the fan.

 

[sptrawler]

It will only be a matter of time until the "sensitive / security" employees demand payment or walk off the job I expect.

There will come a point where their own bank, landlord, utility company etc demands payment and some union or similar gets involved.

Then the brown stuff really will hit the fan.

Just a case of seeing who blinks first.

 

[Humid]

Thank god they don’t have easy access to firearms

 

[luutzu]

It will only be a matter of time until the "sensitive / security" employees demand payment or walk off the job I expect.

There will come a point where their own bank, landlord, utility company etc demands payment and some union or similar gets involved.

Then the brown stuff really will hit the fan.

I think there are laws saying that they can't. Else they'd be fired. Some guy turned up for work, expecting to leave at 5pm but due to other staff being "furlough" he have to stay until next morning to stand in.

Heard some lawyers/union is suing the gov't for forced work without pay. IT's been about 2 weeks now? It's only Xmas, New Year... who needs money around that time anyway.

 

[luutzu]

Thank god they don’t have easy access to firearms

Or their jobs involve looking out for bad guys with guns.

Talk about security risks. I'd like my security, air traffic controllers worrying about others safety while wondering how they're doing to feed their family or pay the bills.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think there are laws saying that they can't. Else they'd be fired. Some guy turned up for work, expecting to leave at 5pm but due to other staff being "furlough" he have to stay until next morning to stand in.

Heard some lawyers/union is suing the gov't for forced work without pay. IT's been about 2 weeks now? It's only Xmas, New Year... who needs money around that time anyway.

This sort of thing happens a lot I believe. Things get sorted and the employees get back pay and overtime eventually after being forced to beg on the streets for daily food.

 

[sptrawler]

There seems to be a big queue of people trying to get to the U.S, some on here should take up writing, they have a flair for fantasy.

 

[Darc Knight]

There seems to be a big queue of people trying to get to the U.S, some on here should take up writing, they have a flair for fantasy.

Yes, but most of those Mexicans are already used to starvation, slave labour and crooks.

Productivity must be an issue. I wonder what sort of mistakes are being made by those workers worried about their financial situation and family etc. China and Russia would be loving this.

 

[Darc Knight]

DDT comes out this morning saying partial Gov shutdown could go on for months or years and he may still bring Military in.
Markets gunna love this.

 

[luutzu]

This sort of thing happens a lot I believe. Things get sorted and the employees get back pay and overtime eventually after being forced to beg on the streets for daily food.

From memory, there were threats of a shutdown pretty much every year. But this is a real, though partial, shutdown.

It's been compared to "the big one" in the 90s apparently.

Heard from lawyers suing the gov't that while those being asked to work will, history would have it, eventually get back paid. But those "furlough" aren't so sure... overtime aren't sure either. And those hundreds of thousands who's "not required" past two weeks won't get paid at all until they're called back.

Either way, it's a bit f up to do that with people's livelihood.

 

[SirRumpole]

Our own budget crisis.

Once was enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d-again/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6d93ba8b3059

 

[basilio]

Hark Back to The Good Ole Days .

 

[basilio]

What Donald Trump says about The Wall, Government Shutdown and Who's Paying.

Clinical, low key analysis of Trumps shutdown claims. It will be fascinating to see Donald Trump answering direct questions in a legal setting.
"Just words" (They're not..)

 

[Smurf1976]

Trump is apparently to address the nation at 9pm on Tuesday (US time) regarding the wall and the shutdown.

Personal views aside, given all current circumstances including the US government shutdown, recent financial market volatility, the high degree of controversy surrounding the subject of the address and the unconventional nature of Trump himself my thought is that the content of the address is for practical purposes unpredictable the outcome may well be of significance to the markets. Trump could do, well, just about anything it seems.

https://www.news.com.au/world/break...n/news-story/33572169a445fdf95cf0675e22255df7

 

[Knobby22]

And to add, it appears the Republicans are abandoning him, one by one.
How will this end?