Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[sptrawler]

When the US take over another country, the average taxpayers foot the bill.

When the country is being rule, democracies put in place, new infrastructure set up; exports and trade licenses and profit to be had.... private corporations come on in.

Some US historian I saw said that empire never really benefit the plebs. In fact, plebs are worst of because of it.

Military spending mean less tax dollars for social programs. It also invite blowbacks. To stop that, it require further spending on securities etc. etc.

Who does it benefit? Corporations who own the place.

No country, no empire, ever send their troops overseas to help or liberate or hand out chocolates to the locals for nothing.

Trump might be the few who actually believe it.

Well I don't think Australia suffered too much from British colonisation.

Like I said, it will be interesting to see, what the alternative presents.

I definitely think the current expectation, is going to be burst.

 

[luutzu]

Well I don't think Australia suffered too much from British colonisation.

Like I said, it will be interesting to see, what the alternative presents.

I definitely think the current expectation, is going to be burst.

Which Australia didn't suffer?

 

[sptrawler]

Which ever wasn't colonised by the Dutch, Portuguese or Spanish.

 

[luutzu]

Which ever wasn't colonised by the Dutch, Portuguese or Spanish.

Don't take this as blame or such. I mean, history are full of ugly genocidal crazies... from all civilisations and races. I'm just trying to be as historically accurate as possible.

Historically speaking, Australia, NZ, the US, Canada, Israel... these were what historians would call colonial-settler countries. i.e. the natives pretty much disappear.

The other colonies were simply subjugated but not settled. The language and certain things were changed and standardised a bit, but the natives were kept enslaved 'cause it serve the imperial master better that way.

In being enslaved, but alive, people see the suffering. In being dead and gone... a couple generations later and memories of it fade.

All countries rise from such acts. Being the 21st century and more civilised, let's not repeat it though.

 

[sptrawler]

Don't take this as blame or such. I mean, history are full of ugly genocidal crazies... from all civilisations and races. I'm just trying to be as historically accurate as possible.

Historically speaking, Australia, NZ, the US, Canada, Israel... these were what historians would call colonial-settler countries. i.e. the natives pretty much disappear.

The other colonies were simply subjugated but not settled. The language and certain things were changed and standardised a bit, but the natives were kept enslaved 'cause it serve the imperial master better that way.

In being enslaved, but alive, people see the suffering. In being dead and gone... a couple generations later and memories of it fade.

All countries rise from such acts. Being the 21st century and more civilised, let's not repeat it though.

That is the weirdest thing I have seen you write.
Historically speaking, have you read about the conquistadors?
I really don't think you understand the issues, lets not debate this further.

 

[Junior]

Trump has just overseen the worst Dow Jones performance in 10 years.

 

[sptrawler]

Anyone with basic experience following stock markets knows that whoever the President/leader/prime minister of the day is has little bearing on where the Index is at.

Again, sheer arrogance and outright rubbish from trump bragging that he is somehow responsible for record highs in US markets. Market was consistently hitting record highs under Obama before trump came into office.

Market is being driven higher by Tech giants who derive much of their growth outside of the US anyway.

Come on Junior, how about a bit of consistency. Your post from Sept 21.
When the market goes up it is despite Trump, when the market goes down, it is because of him.
Just shows how analysis is subjective.

 

[Darc Knight]

Come on Junior, how about a bit of consistency. Your post from Sept 21.
When the market goes up it is despite Trump, when the market goes down, it is because of him.
Just shows how analysis is subjective.

If you think so

 

[sptrawler]

If you think so

Just doing my memory excercises, for the day.

 

[Junior]

Come on Junior, how about a bit of consistency. Your post from Sept 21.
When the market goes up it is despite Trump, when the market goes down, it is because of him.
Just shows how analysis is subjective.

My comment is tongue in cheek. If Trump wants credit for rising markets, he can take responsibility for falling markets!

 

[sptrawler]

My comment is tongue in cheek. If Trump wants credit for rising markets, he can take responsibility for falling markets!

I can see why you are a gifted financial adviser.

 

[basilio]

Historically speaking, have you read about the conquistadors?

Why do the conquistadors get such a bad rap ? Simple SP. They were the "Spanish" the English rivals., the enemy.
Yep they were brutal and destructive. But don't close your eyes to the history of English speaking colonization or pretend it wasn't equally destructive of the people they subjugated.

 

[sptrawler]

Why do the conquistadors get such a bad rap ? Simple SP. They were the "Spanish" the English rivals., the enemy.
Yep they were brutal and destructive. But don't close your eyes to the history of English speaking colonization or pretend it wasn't equally destructive of the people they subjugated.

That is the unfortunate thing about being invaded/occupied, it has happened to most Countries at one time or another.
I will say, most Countries that where colonised by the British, appear to have faired better than those colonised by the Spanish & French. I may be wrong and I'm sure you will correct me if I am.

 

[basilio]

I will say, most Countries that where colonised by the British, appear to have faired better than those colonised by the Spanish & French. I may be wrong and I'm sure you will correct me if I am.

Pretty sweeping statement isn't it SP ? One wouldn't want to unpack it in terms of eras, countries, impacts on particular people.
It might also be a challenge to verify it when/where much of the evidence of atrocities has been buried, ignored or forgotten.
And finally of course it is so much easier to see (or even create..) atrocities committed by other countries when one wants to divert attention from your own actions and take the high moral ground...
I don't see any cause for pride in the way the English subjugated all those red areas on the Empire. I'd say exactly the same about the Belgians, French, Dutch, whoever.
Obviously it made England one of the wealthiest countries of the early 20th Century and enriched other colonial powers as well. Perhaps that is sufficient to say it was a good thing ?

 

[sptrawler]

Yes Bas it is a huge subject and I'm quite sure the story isn't finished yet, but as humans mature and move on through time, hopefully they will become more compassionate.
It is difficult to apply an objective opinion on past behaviour, there must have been some horrific things to live through, for all concerned. Even our historic record, is written in a mostly subjective manner.
With regard the sweeping statement, I was making general reference to the infra structure installed, for some reason the British seemed to leave behind a reasonable backbone of civil work. I doubt it was put in for the natives benefit, but they, in a lot of cases have built on that infrastructure.

 

[wayneL]

My comment is tongue in cheek. If Trump wants credit for rising markets, he can take responsibility for falling markets!

But then there is The Fed.

Any upward movement in interest rate were always gonna trash equities

 

[luutzu]

Come on Junior, how about a bit of consistency. Your post from Sept 21.
When the market goes up it is despite Trump, when the market goes down, it is because of him.
Just shows how analysis is subjective.

Well, if you think about it... the market would have been all alright if Trump does nothing. When he do things, like a trade war, trillion dollar tax cuts, put gov't in "partial shutdown"...

 

[Junior]

But then there is The Fed.

Any upward movement in interest rate were always gonna trash equities

The Fed have been very consistent in their intention to raise rates. They have been raising very gradually, and provided warning to markets well in advance. Trump would have been well aware of this when he first took office.

 

[wayneL]

The Fed have been very consistent in their intention to raise rates. They have been raising very gradually, and provided warning to markets well in advance. Trump would have been well aware of this when he first took office.

Okay, apart from your ideological imperatives,what's the
Fundamentals?

 

[Junior]

Okay, apart from your ideological imperatives,what's the
Fundamentals?

eh?

I'm just noting, that Trump claimed personal credit for stocks moving higher, now he wants to blame others for stocks moving lower.

He is an imbecile.