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House prices to stagnate for 'years'
By Nicki Bourlioufas

19sep05

HOUSE prices will likely stagmnate for "many years," dragging on consumer spending and economic growth, according to analysts at ABN AMRO.

Rising petrol prices are also causing shock to consumers, which will weigh on the economy, the analysts said in a report on consumer spending.

"House prices are likely to stagnate across the country for many years, most likely drifting lower as wages and rents slowly catch up," said analysts Felicity Emmett and Kieran Davies at ABN AMRO.

"Record high petrol prices and interest-servicing costs have both contributed to the slowdown in household spending, with growth in real household income slowing sharply, but the weakness in house prices also seems to have played an important role."

"House prices remain wildly out of line with wages and incomes, so it seems likely that household wealth will be a noticeable drag on spending for a very long time," the analysts said.

Households finances are in a fragile state, with people spending more than they earn and drawing down on the value of their homes to support spending, the report said.

"The admittedly poorly-measured saving rate is still negative, with income slowing in tandem with spending over the past year or so," the analysts said.

"Similarly, households are still actively drawing down equity in their homes." Households draw down on equity in their properties if rises in debt exceed the increase in the value of housing.

"New South Wales householders have been the most enthusiastic extractors of household equity, consistently withdrawing equity at the highest rate," the analysts said.

"This reached a peak in late 2003 when (NSW) households were withdrawing the equivalent of 12.5 per cent of consumption spending.

"Surprisingly, with Sydney house prices falling for a more than a year, households in New South Wales are still withdrawing equity at a rapid rate, equivalent to around 6 per cent of consumption spending.

"Elsewhere, housing equity withdrawal continues in the smaller states, but at more modest rates than seen in New South Wales," the report said.

Sydney house prices are around one-third more expensive than the next most expensive city, Melbourne, the report said. Sydney prices are around 12 times average earnings, while Melbourne prices are only around 9 times average earnings.

Rising petrol prices are also causing shock to the economy, the analysts said.

"Almost all industrialised countries, with Australia no exception, are net oil importers of oil, so the rise in energy prices is a negative for growth."


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http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,16649116%5E1702,00.html
 
So why bother buying into a flat housing market?

The boom is over!

Thank bloody god!

Time to save for those house deposits and sit back for the next 4-5 years then enter the market.
 
Like boom, bust will be not necessarily fast.

Of course keen eye out for sign of any change in the property market mood will prevent us from sitting on our hands while something important happens.

This does not mean that every price will be lower, some ‘popular’ suburbs will grow in popularity and price, same as in Stock Market, some robust shares rise irrespective of Bull-Bear presence.

Patience is one of the keys to success.
 
Only a fool would be buying a property in this current market.

Not unless I was living in a car or a tent would I even consider the plunge!
 
Yes it is possible that housing will flatten.

There is still opportunity for developers.
With housing now at a price which is out of reach of some people,rent demand will be on the increase.Particularly one and two bedroomed apartments or flats.
Community title high density,low rental or purchase price developements are the new low end demand.
The higher end builders are also busy with investors selling their 1 or 2 investment properties and building their dream homes.

Unless you are a professional property developer,fool or investor quick $$s in property will be hard,but not impossible to find.
 
tech/a said:
With housing now at a price which is out of reach of some people.

Well done Tech/a you have finally hit the nail on the head! I thought I would never hear you say that housing is now at a price which is out of reach for some people

Tech/a has had a light bulb moment here, I think he is onto something!

Maybe he is now looking at the housing market from a buyers point of view and not a seller.

Finally you and I agree on something.

Why is this so....?

Greed!

This is now the time to start implementing a range of affordable housing programs for all. It should be the right of every Australian to be able to afford a house.
 
krisbarry said:
Finally you and I agree on something.

Why is this so....?

Greed!

This is now the time to start implementing a range of affordable housing programs for all. It should be the right of every Australian to be able to afford a house.

Actually I'll rephrase the above.Some people cannot afford the home they want.EVERYONE can buy a home even now,buy it may not be exactly what you want.
You can buy land at $60K even less! out of Adelaide and you can buy a new Transportable for $49,900.Thats cheaper than some cars.

Why is this so-----DEMAND

Greed has nothing to do with it---as much as you would like it to play a part.
Greed is your perception of holders of larger housing portfolios.There was a 12K first home buyers grant around 3 yrs before the boom---few takers--then $7000 still few takers--older wiser investors recognised opportunity and took advantage of positive geraing---some younger ones as well(Remember the air hostess).Now we have a new breed who missed the boom--the whingers!

Interesting-----Could you explain what an affordable housing programme is,by that I mean how does it work---get paid for?
There are already community building programmes,which have their positives and negatives.
 
tech/a said:
Now we have a new breed who missed the boom--the whingers!
To be fair I must point out that many young people foolishly believed their parents, teachers etc. who said something to the effect of "work hard and save" when in reality "borrow to the limit and speculate, walk away from the debt if it goes wrong" would have been better advice in view of the actual market.

At least the house price rises are a good way to shoot down anyone who mutters something about 2% inflation. Both the RBA's money supply data and movement in the house price reveal the truth.
 
tech/a said:
You can buy land at $60K even less! out of Adelaide and you can buy a new Transportable for $49,900.Thats cheaper than some cars.

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Now that must be about an hour out of the city...too far for work/friends/family/city/social life.

Hmmm I think I will keep renting instead.

And a transportable house, now I must be really lucky to afford this.

Amazing how within a few years, you could buy a family home 7km from the CBD of Adelaide, now you are forced to live with the hill-billies 1 hour out of the city in a transportable....give me a break!

I am not some Jerry Springer Trailer trash!

I would have to give up my friends/family/social life/work, just for this, get real man.

It would cost me $100 per week in fuel to commute to work or visit my friends or family. Not worth the outlay for a boring life down in the poverty/welfare/crime ridden/drug dealing areas.

Elizabeth/Norlunga ring a bell!
 
krisbarry said:
Now that must be about an hour out of the city...too far for work/friends/family/city/social life.

Hmmm I think I will keep renting instead.

Kris,

Iif I understand correctly, if an investor didn't own the property you are currently living in and rent it out, you would not be able to afford to live where you currently do?

Yet you claim due to investors being greedy and amassing multiple houses they are marking it unaffordable for the masses?

I think you find that a true "investor" will buy a property solely on a return basis which will either be rent or capital gains. It's simply a numbers game and when the numbers don't add up they usually move on.

It's your owner occupiers that form an emotional attachment to a property the instant they see it that causes frenzied bidding at auctions, or immediate sale when a property is advertised and drives prices up

This is of course fuelled by supply and demand, and as you mentioned above your could by a cheaper house, but don't wish to incur the inconvenience it provides to the discounted price, if that is the case then you have to play like everyone else and pay the price accordingly.

At the end of the day a house is only worth what someone will pay for it. and that value directly correlates to supply and demand, it's irrelevant if 1 person owns the whole street, or each house is individually owned.
 
krisbarry said:
Now that must be about an hour out of the city...too far for work/friends/family/city/social life.

Hmmm I think I will keep renting instead.

And a transportable house, now I must be really lucky to afford this.

Amazing how within a few years, you could buy a family home 7km from the CBD of Adelaide, now you are forced to live with the hill-billies 1 hour out of the city in a transportable....give me a break!

I am not some Jerry Springer Trailer trash!

I would have to give up my friends/family/social life/work, just for this, get real man.

It would cost me $100 per week in fuel to commute to work or visit my friends or family. Not worth the outlay for a boring life down in the poverty/welfare/crime ridden/drug dealing areas.

Elizabeth/Norlunga ring a bell!


So your some sort of elitist snob. Not prepared too live amongst the people that you have pretended to stick up for?
 
krisbarry said:
Now that must be about an hour out of the city...too far for work/friends/family/city/social life.

Hmmm I think I will keep renting instead.

And a transportable house, now I must be really lucky to afford this.

Amazing how within a few years, you could buy a family home 7km from the CBD of Adelaide, now you are forced to live with the hill-billies 1 hour out of the city in a transportable....give me a break!

I am not some Jerry Springer Trailer trash!

I would have to give up my friends/family/social life/work, just for this, get real man.

It would cost me $100 per week in fuel to commute to work or visit my friends or family. Not worth the outlay for a boring life down in the poverty/welfare/crime ridden/drug dealing areas.

Elizabeth/Norlunga ring a bell!

As I said some people cannot afford the home they want.
I'll also guarentee that you wouldnt be able to tell the difference once on the block,between a transportable home and one built on site!
As for your fuel bill---ever heard of public Transport?
Funny I havent noticed all the rich living further out as they are the only ones that can afford the fuel bill.

Your 31 Kris look behind you and see what you've got to show for the last 10 yrs---now look ahead!!!!

Come over to the DARK SIDE.

Anyway must go have to stick it up one of my tennents--with any sort of luck I'll be able to sack an employee. Aint life grand!
 
You have all missed the point. Older people on this site tell me to move out of the city, give it all up to own a house.

Sorry but I cannot see most young people moving this far out of the city, or further.

The CBD would collapse!

Who works in the city?

Who works in the surrounding suburbs?

This generational shift will completly change they dynamics of a city, it culture etc etc.

Who builds all the infrastructure an hour or more out of the city?

Who strains the public purses, by expecting essential services so far out.

Adelaide is one of the most spread out cities in the world, with such a small population, why extend it further? (some 150km-pop 1.3 million)

We should be building up/not out!

I am not a snob, far from it. I just expect the same quality of life that the last generation had/ and were able to afford.

Oppps forgot that times have changed.

Maybe the the next generation on from me will be able to afford match stick houses sitting on a garbage tips

TIP : Rent the DVD "End of Suburbia"
 
I am not a snob, far from it. I just expect the same quality of life that the last generation had/ and were able to afford.

Oppps forgot that times have changed.


You are going the right way about it.. :rolleyes:

I am finally beating the taxation system at their own game. I no longer work full-time, given that up, it ain't worth it for the high levels of tax.

I now work part-time (casual rate-much higher) meaning I have to work less hours for more money.

I contribute to my super using the co-contribution scheme, this now gives me free money up to $1,500 per year.

I have also borrowed money from the bank to trade on the stock market and the interest is deducted off my taxable income.

Pretty smart, and I have almost eliminated the need to pay tax, execpt for the GST and hidden taxes which are unavoidable for most.

There is always a better way, just do a little research and play the same game the ATO does, but better!
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K.Barry B.V.A.
 
Its called taking control of your future!

How about trying it yourself?

A snob is one who sips on champagne ,living in a million dollar mansion and driving the latest BMW

My wealth is so far from the average 31 year old, I aint no snob, nor do I act like one.
 
O.K. You have taken control of your future. If you don't like it, change it, if you are happy with it, stop bleating.
I find it amusing that you blame,
a) parents as role models
b) teachers
c) retailers
d) property owners/speculators
e) the baby boomer generation
f) successfull business people
in fact just about anyone and everyone, but the most important person i.e. yourself, doesn't get a mention. If you want to change your situation, stop talking about it and do it, no-one will do it for you.
 
Many other members on this board mention some of the list you have gathered, I was replying to their posts.

Remember that the people that came b4 you shaped your world that you live in now. So generations b4 must take the credit and blame for it.

One tick of a politicians pen has left me with less money now than the previous generation.

I have the chance now to determine the world my children live in. Hence I question, fight, agree...etc

So it is fair to question others, how they have acted, what they have done right/wrong etc and to express views, change people views.
 
Who says everyone has a right to own property?

Contrary to what you may think Kris you can afford to buy a house (even if it is not your dream home), many people out there cannot even afford food for the week.
 
My 2 cents worth. :)

krisbarry, save , save , save . And put your head down and your bum up, Go without some things and DO the hard yards, Like each and every other house investor / owner.....

Over the years , Nothing has changed .. there are Always opportunities to do and get anything you want in Australia....Done winge! Get stuck in and do it, And when youve been there and done that , you can sit back like the rest , and tell the young ones the same story... " We did it tough once, So can you" Smile and go for it......

The other Road aint worth it...
 
Well I looked for the definition of a snob. Couldnt find anything about champange or BMW's. But did find these 2.

"One who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect."

"a person regarded as arrogant and annoying"

Yep, your definately a snob.
 
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