wayneL
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What is it?
Define...
Discuss..
Define...
Discuss..
Citations for that?A belief system that the Jewish religion is superior to others and must prevail over "lesser" belief systems.
Zionism is a very clearly defined ideology. I'd like to see what others say first before I refer to the data.My opinion.
What's yours?
What/where is Zion?
As I understand it, the Zionists want to make Palestine part of Israel.I just might chuck in another nuanced question here:
It is often claimed by some people that they are pro-Jewish but anti-Zionist. What could that possibly mean?
Ummm, Israel existed for thousands of years prior to "Palestine".As I understand it, the Zionists want to make Palestine part of Israel.
Its valid to oppose that objective but still have positive thoughts of Jews in general as long as they don't impose their will on others.
Don't think so. The Jews existed for thousands of years but they wandered around from place to place.Ummm, Israel existed for thousands of years prior to "Palestine".
In fact Palestine refers to a region rather than a political or theocratic entity, imposed via those not native to the area.
Don't think so. The Jews existed for thousands of years but they wandered around from place to place.
Israel was founded in 1948 from memory.
In terms of the modern nation state, post world wars, that is certainly accurate.Don't think so. The Jews existed for thousands of years but they wandered around from place to place.
Israel was founded in 1948 from memory.
In terms of the modern nation state, post world wars, that is certainly accurate.
But, if we are using that particular standard, "Palestine" has never actually existed at all. They were given that opportunity several times (vis a vis the two state solution), both during and after the partition, but they have rejected that each and every time.
Of course, if we are using the standard of true indigenenaity(sic), archaeologically, the Hebrews are the true indigenous.
Always was, always will be?
I thought Philistines were the original indigenous inhabitants. Settled there in the 12th century BC, 200 years before they were conquered by David.In terms of the modern nation state, post world wars, that is certainly accurate.
But, if we are using that particular standard, "Palestine" has never actually existed at all. They were given that opportunity several times (vis a vis the two state solution), both during and after the partition, but they have rejected that each and every time.
Of course, if we are using the standard of true indigenenaity(sic), archaeologically, the Hebrews are the true indigenous.
Always was, always will be?
Way to be off topic orr.Here's a question;
Who out there remebers in the day's just post the attacks of 9/11 a film real of a media pack chaseing down a Cairo street the father of Mohmaed Atta. A WTC suicide pilot ?
And does anyone remember when Atta's father stopped to confrount that pack? and what he asked for if he was to give an interview?
And how that pack was left dumb and how he turned and just walked on ..
.. I do.
I look occasionally to try and find that scene.... I can't 'link-it' because I can't find it (wonder why).... that says something..... find it if you can and post it here.
How I remember it:
Atta's Father saying, after stopping and turning..... "yeah I'll give you an interview .... I'll give you an interview for $10,000.00 Us dollars(?), make the cheque payable to the orfans of Palastine."
that's one end.
At the other you have Chaim Weizmann, who a hundred years earlier was blending chemistry and the poltics precursive to give that century later explosion and a few more inbetween.
On this issue I'll defer to Isaac Azimov. ..... DYOR...... please Please PLEASE PLEASE do some research.
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