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Metals had their strongest day for a long time, overnight: Zinc up about 6% and copper a shade more.
Rederob, I think you can help me with this. I posted this question before and I thought it was clarified but today I am confused again. It is to do with inconsistence in prices of Zn (or Cu) being posted from different sources.
As you mentioned that POZ & POCu went up about 6% overnight which means closing prices in LME which was about 4-5 am our time. This can be confirmed if you check it from Kitco.
Try looking @ www.baemetal.com and you will find they both drop from 24/05/07's prices / MT of $7375 (Cu) & $3655 (Zn) to 25/05/07's prices of $7145 (Cu) & $3610 (Zn). This is echoed by www.metal.com as well. How do you explain that? I know there are "official" & "closing" prices etc. but how can it be so much different. From up 6% to a down 1% quote.
Cheers
Red,Metals had their strongest day for a long time, overnight: Zinc up about 6% and copper a shade more.
I know Radge does some good work with his charts, but unintelligible comments are not my cup of tea. Was he suggesting up or down near term: I guess he knows, but not saying is as useful as posting the chart itself.
I remain bullish, and even more so given the inability of technical traders to trash base metals thus far into May.
Of course there is a big different.
Official price is the closing price for 2nd ring, which is around 8pm Singapore time. And closing price is around 1am Singapore time, which is 5 hours away from 2nd ring.
Of course there is a big different.
Official price is the closing price for 2nd ring, which is around 8pm Singapore time. And closing price is around 1am Singapore time, which is 5 hours away from 2nd ring.
I won't call you a moron Wayne, but I was actually referring to the Commodity Trade Advisers (or CTAs) that dominate price setting of LME contracts.
I suggest you pm me next time unless you are happy to throw eggs at you face.
I'm more than happy to defend what I say, even when I post in response to those "technical traders" that post here.
Thank you for clarifying your meaning and intent, though forgive me if I regard sections of your explanation as disingenuous.Wayne
Your "moderator" role allows you to delete my post in response to yours, yet your comment calling my comments "puerile" still stands.
How does that fit in with the sense of "harmony" you want to foster.
Especially given that my post "explained" the "technical traders" I was referring to.
There was nothing in my post in response to you that was deliberately offensive except that you have chosen to take it as a personal rebuke, which if you read carefully it was not intended to be:
Wayne, it seems you have little or no understanding of the role of Commodity Trade Advisers and their influence on the price structure of metals traded on the LME. The CTAs advise the funds and the funds spend the big bucks that gives us our "official closing prices" via the morning's second trading session which is indicative of peak contract liquidity (as a rule).
Although the CTA's are mindful of market fundamentals, they "direct" the market up or down principally on technical factors.
I believe you would be aware of how powerfully a market can move when buy or sell stops are triggered and cascade on one another. The technicians "run" these stops and they remain an important consideration for any traders wanting to go long, or short the market.
Those that recall last May will know that funds bailed out of base metals (especially copper) en masse last year and "trashed" the market for months to come.
This, Wayne, is what I was talking about.
So before you get on your moderator high horse again, try to read the sense of what I was saying based on the market I was talking about: And not immediately assume I must be having a go at you or other technical traders.
Frankly, I think we both have bigger fish to fry.
Although the CTA's are mindful of market fundamentals, they "direct" the market up or down principally on technical factors.
I believe you would be aware of how powerfully a market can move when buy or sell stops are triggered and cascade on one another. The technicians "run" these stops and they remain an important consideration for any traders wanting to go long, or short the market.
It's amazing what people hear!Last time heard that you are an investment analyst, I'm thinking of switching my career to become an investment analyst in future. Can you give me advise on getting into this profession?
It's amazing what people hear!
Did they tell you how much I earn?
Only count the "metal".Red or Brend, could either of you please tell me when valuing zinc stocks, do you base production numbers (i.e. tonnes or zinc production) on a companies zinc concentrate or contained zinc?
For example: in CBH’s 1Q 07 report they had zinc concentrate production of 28,200t with contained zinc of 14,500t. Which of these production numbers is multiplied by an average zinc price for a current or forecasted period in order to get a feel for the companies’ revenue generation?
Greens•If inventories continue to fall, around what inventory level would you consider being critically low or relatively low levels that could trigger a spike to occur (if in fact the situation does arise)?
•One other thing I have done an analysis on the possible movements in the zinc price based on the past movements of nickel (assuming a near perfect correlation), do you think there is a fairly strong positive relation ship between nickel and zinc (i.e. use nickel as a guide to how zinc may perform if inventories continue to fall or reach critical lows).
Greens
I've asked my clients to short zinc futures today.
I've asked my clients to short zinc futures today.
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