chops_a_must
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Brend, is it likely that there will be more ins of zinc in the near future, or has this latest surge been the end of it?BREND said:Zinc inventory had gone down recently, seems like China merchants have stopped exporting zinc. If this reversal is sustainable, we might see zinc price rebounding again. Previously I had heard that consumers are willing to buy zinc at $4000. With current zinc price way below $4000 now, I would assume that demand for physical zinc is much higher now in Asia ex China.
BREND said:Seems like China has been buying up copper stocks lately.
chops_a_must said:These tell an interesting tale:
The last time zinc inventories were at this level, spot zinc prices were at record highs. Now, prices are near their last relative high. It probably provides good value for those looking to buy zinc commercially.
Brend, is it likely that there will be more ins of zinc in the near future, or has this latest surge been the end of it?
brerwallabi said:"Seems" they are just buying a bit of spot when they need to.
Have you looked at three month fwd contango it "seems" to have been shrinking over the past few weeks despite increasing inventories.
Geez “crusader” rederob,rederob said:Mag etc, you are straying off topic!
But as the heading was for "2006" I reckon it's done and dusted.
Do we start a new thread, Joe Blow?
On topic:
In the last 2 months of 2006, China accounted for almost half of its annual zinc exports.
Needless to say, the flood of zinc into the marketplace has affected LME trends.
It will be very difficult for China to maintain the export trend as it was predicated on changes to the tax regime which made rapid divestment of metal more profitable than holding on inventory.
So we are now left with a zinc "overhang" that needs to work itself off.
It's early days, and only a supreme optimist would think that we will soon re-tread the rapid pace of zinc drawdowns that were the theme of most of 2006.
However, LME drawdowns of small but noticeable quantity have recently emerged. They may be indicative of a change for the better. But a waiting game is best played for now.
Here's a question for those that short the markets:
If you were to short one of the base metals, and you could only choose out of zinc, copper and nickel, which one do you pick on Monday?
MagMagdoran said:Geez “crusader” rederob,
So, you don’t think that we can stray a little on these threads once in a while and have a little fun? What a sterile world we’d live in if the thought police swooped in every time a little tête-à -tête eventuated.
Regards
Magdoran
P.S. Just out of interest rederob, are you just buying straight shares in ZFX? You’re not using warrants or options or CFDs are you? Perhaps you’re using margin? Mag
Magdoran said:Yes, but do you understand how markets trend? You could extend the same kind of theoretical fundamental argument to crude oil, and rail against the recent price action saying it is contrary to your estimations.
Please do rail all you like. I just love guys like you who try to catch that falling knife buying a falling instrument while the savvy players are selling short. You can argue the finer points till you’re blue in the face.
Brian Price did the same thing for a long time staying short losing $25 odd million dollars during the height of the “dot com” boom, as it turns out later correctly evaluating that the valuations in the market in dot com stocks was way out of wack with the reality… But the timing was wrong.
Markets can reach ridiculous prices either fuelled by unbridled greed, or driven by frenzied fear and panic. Just look at the price of oil for a roller coaster ride, or the NASDAQ from 1998-2000. Try studying those charts for a lesson in market behaviour.
In simple terms price falls when there are more sellers than buyers… You don’t have to divine what every person involved was doing, the price action is quite obvious to many technical analysts.
Don’t get me wrong, I have a very healthy respect for good fundamental analysts, but when markets move, they can often overshoot the mark since they are emotionally driven. You may consider remembering this and wisely take market sentiment and market behaviour into account rather than rigidly applying a theory.
Regards
Magdoran
Magdoran said:Aha! So you’re the “carp” in this pond huh?
I’m sure you’re a trainee psychologists dream for a case study! It’s like a set of those Russian dolls, endless enigma in enigma, but the most amusing thing of all is you just don’t see it, do you “Freeball”?
You’re a funny guy “Freeball”, calling me “little fella” cracks me up. A mate of mine in my youth used to call me “the little guy” which was kind of a joke since I’m 6ft 3… so I’ll take your label as a term of endearment.
Mag
BREND said:China, the world's biggest producer and user of zinc, was a net exporter of the refined metal in 2006 for the first time in three years, reducing global supply concern that pushed prices to records. China exported 7,000 metric tons more refined zinc than it imported last year, and the country may be a bigger net exporter in 2007.
I mentioned a few times that China merchants have been exporting zinc to LME in huge amount. But I have seen that the pace of exporting had either stop or stop down.
michael_selway said:Hi so are you bullish or bearish on zinc price in the months ahead?
thx
MS
Kauri said:Zinc is at a veeeery interesting stage.... triple bottom on support..there again ABC says it should go lower.....
michael_selway said:does triple bottom mean bullish or bearish?
thx
MS
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