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XRP - Ripple (in the pond)

Thanks for the reply MoXJO, but quoting from the source, hmmm, Ripple must tell the truth.

from your links
"xRapid is for payment providers and other financial institutions who want to minimize liquidity costs while improving their customer experience. Because payments into emerging markets often require pre-funded local currency accounts around the world, liquidity costs are high. xRapid dramatically lowers the capital requirements for liquidity"

Wow, my marketing guys can write this stuff day in day out. How does it lower the capital requirements for liquidity.

Maybe by creating your own currency out of thing air and no real cost.

"xRapid uniquely uses a digital asset, XRP, to offer on-demand liquidity, which dramatically lowers costs while enabling real-time payments in emerging markets. Built for enterprise use, XRP offers banks and payment providers a highly efficient, scalable, reliable liquidity option to service cross-border payments."

How does it lower costs? The rest is marketing crap trap.

Mind you, it is a impressive website, well constructed, with great graphics and information that sounds impressive but has little meaning.

Next:
David Schwartz
@JoelKatz
Improving global settlement with blockchain tech. Chief Cryptographer at Ripple; one of the original architects of the XRP network.

One must always trust someone who works for the company that is spruiking their wares
Brad Garlinghouse
@bgarlinghouse
CEO at Ripple

CEO always tell the truth, don't they

Ripple
@Ripple
Global real-time settlement.

Thank-you for providing these informative links and confirming what I thought, there are so many great fools out there to give up their hand earned dollars for an idea without substantiated proof of concept to chase an easy dollar.

The GUYS are Ripple at GENIUSES, they have played the world market and so far won.

Just to give you thought! Don't you think that someone in the entire banking community might also have tried to find a way of increasing customer satisfaction through speed of payment before a company like ripple thought that a crypto currency was a way to sell a technology to the bankers.

On one last note for the evening, I do see XRP going higher

I'm not saying I believe their bs pitches. I didn't know thats what you were asking.

But if it is adopted by banks in asia it will pump. Thats all I care about at the moment.
It's way to risky to say anything is a sure thing and will be adopted with cryptocoin. But ripple has a good team to push their product.
 
Again, great list, but as it stated, trailing, not implemented.

And from the list, how many of the links actually come from the trailing sources itself, the bank, well some do, but from what I can translate none of them talk about the currency but rather the company selling the technology

The internet is full of FAKE news.
 
I'm not saying I believe their bs pitches. I didn't know thats what you were asking.

But if it is adopted by banks in asia it will pump. Thats all I care about at the moment.
It's way to risky to say anything is a sure thing and will be adopted with cryptocoin. But ripple has a good team to push their product.

Sorry missed this. If you could invest in the company, I would, I think it could be a winner, the crypto $ they have made are just funding a much bigger fish they are after. XRP currency is a dude, but the company and technology behind are not, big difference
 
Not sure if this is what you are looking for.
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5 min read / December 31, 2017

By

Guy Ettlin
The Ripple token XRP has had a very successful close to 2017. There has been a 10-fold increase in price over the course of a month with XRP trading at $2.30 at the time of writing. This could be due to speculators pushing up the price, as is likely happening with many coins that have enjoyed recent record highs. But as many have pointed out, Ripple is worth looking into as an investment option for the long-run because its value proposition is uniquely promising, considering it could replace SWIFT as the global choice for international settlements.

A Two-Step Process
However, recent sources have also pointed out that the value of the company Ripple doesn’t necessarily translate into true value underlying the XRP token that people have been buying into. A closer look at Ripple’s strategy to bring international banks on board their mission unveils that the company, in fact, appears to be planning on using two steps to achieve their ultimate goal of becoming the go-to system for settlements.

The first step involves getting banks excited about their underlying technology by offering a system called xCurrent. This is Ripple’s enterprise software solution that lets institutions tap into the powerful and efficient system for cross-border payment processing that the company Ripple has developed. It supposedly saves users significant portions of their funds on top of speeding up the process and increasing security. In short, it connects banks more efficiently but doesn’t necessarily get rid of the set-up used in SWIFT settlements whereby banks need to fund Nostro and Vostro accounts and decide on the interval of settling these accounts and the rates they will use. In other words, banks need to maintain parts of a rather inefficient system, but they can send any currency they want using xCurrent and do not need to buy large amounts XRP tokens to conduct settlements. In fact, they only need enough XRP to pay the network fees associated with each transaction.

Because this still involves some inefficiencies, Ripple proposes that banks use XRP to settle transactions. This is the currency that is native to the network and brings about even greater savings. It is advertised as a be-all and end-all solution to cross-border payments, and that is effectively what long-term investors are betting on when they buy XRP. This will come about once XRP is the universally accepted token for settlements on the Ripple network, held and trusted by all members of the network.

Looking at this two-step approach, it appears that the company is using a type of foot-in-the-door technique to get banks on board, only to sell the main solution to them in a second step.

Step one is already happening very successfully but step two is still quite far away. This is because of the risk of using XRP in the settlement process. Banks will only use the token if the price is relatively stable and not motivated solely by beliefs about its future price track. They are interested in settling transactions in the cryptocurrency that is the globally accepted reserve option. It is questionable whether XRP is on the path to becoming the said option. Both parties to the transaction would need to be willing to hold and exchange XRP at any given time.

What Does This Mean for Investors?
It is easy to fall into the trap of thinking that investing in XRP means investing in the company Ripple. This is only partially true.

Ripple, the company, has come up with arguably one of the best applications of the blockchain technology in existence. The ultimate mission of the company remains the same, but unfortunately buying XRP doesn’t exactly translate into buying a stock in the company. XRP will only truly take-off once it is universally used by all banks using the system and at a stable price that doesn’t raise currency risks in transactions. Banks will not care how much a single token is worth because it is simply used as a bridge currency, but since supply is limited, one can bet on daily transaction volumes being high which needs to be sustained by a limited amount of tokens carrying value from A to B, therefore putting upward pressure on the price of XRP.

In such a scenario, investors could be confident that they are putting faith in a token that has real, tangible and measurable value. This stands in contrast to a scenario in which XRP becomes more valuable simply because everybody believes that it has value that translates into a higher trading price. There are many obstacles on the path of achieving the former, including the question whether XRP will be globally trusted and accepted. While XRP will enable banks to more easily tap into new and expanding markets, it remains open whether this is a strong enough incentive to use it. Ultimately, one of the main questions to be answered is whether at some point in the future the benefits of the savings associated with using XRP on the Ripple network will outweigh the risks associated with using the token in the eyes of the financial institutions using the technology.

Conclusion
As of right now only the network fee of a transaction needs to be paid in XRP and that is likely not a strong enough market force to justify the recent price hike. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that a lot of speculative value is currently driving the XRP trading price, which is fine in the short-run but likely not sustainable in the long-run. This means investors planning to buy and hold XRP need to be aware of the delicate structure of Ripple’s value proposition and need to decide how much value (i.e. how much price saving on behalf of the institutions using the network) they truly see over a longer time horizon.
 
Sorry missed this. If you could invest in the company, I would, I think it could be a winner, the crypto $ they have made are just funding a much bigger fish they are after. XRP currency is a dude, but the company and technology behind are not, big difference
I got in early so I'm sitting pretty.

I think they were going to float the company. Sure I heard it somewhere.
 
I got in early so I'm sitting pretty.

I think they were going to float the company. Sure I heard it somewhere.
They have floated it!!
They have floated it to themselves and are gradually dripping the shares(coins) into the Crypto market and getting the money!! So they are proxy shares. But there not subject to any regulation and don't represent anything other than what people are prepared to trade them at.
They can float the company(again) independently of the coin if they want, it could be worth quite a bit even if the coin goes back to trading at .001
David Shwartz is a genius!!
 
Anyone got any contacts with big wigs of any of the banks?
Someone must know a link to one of the bank trials.
 
Ok someone else asked the bank 2016

Hi Guys,

Few days ago I enquired from Commonwealth Bank of Australia about status of their Ripple Project and sent email below.

Dear Sir/Madam

Some time ago Commonwelath bank announced pilot project with Company called "Ripple labs" about domestic and international fund transfers, but since the link below i could not track/obtain much information online about the results of that project. So my questions are
(1) What is current status of your pilot projects with Ripple.(have u dropped them or you are still in process)
(2) Any expected timeline of finishing these blockchain projects.
(3) Results of your Ripple usage with your subsidiaries as mentioned by you in article below.
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The good news is I got their response today, so Just sharing that email with you. Please give your opinions about it.

"Thank you for your interest in CBA’s blockchain initiatives.


We have been investigating and experimenting widely, and are currently working on 25+ use cases for blockchain technology with our partners. Our pilot with Ripple continues and we see opportunities in a range of areas including payments, international remittance, trade finance and capital markets. We are also involved in the R3 partnership, as part of ongoing research and development with other global banks in the exploration of emerging industry infrastructure. At this time, we are focused on collaborating with organisations to safely explore opportunities and establish global standards for new and emerging payments technologies.


We are not yet in a position to report the results of these pilots and initiatives, as work is ongoing, and the timeline for public launches will depend on a variety of considerations including that the necessary regulatory approvals have been secured. We will certainly keep the market informed of new milestones, so please keep watching this space.


Best regards,

CBA Investor Relations
 
Thought these we some funny quotes that provide and insight the minds of crypto investors (gamblers) from another forum.

"I buy more when I get the chance. When it was around 3.60, I bought more too. Just hold, and we will get there and much higher."
"Mine too. WTF happened? I've been holding it since then because I refuse to take a loss."
"Anyone else who bought in at 2.50 or higher say 'i' just to make me feel better about everything"
"Pretty much all coins in red...aftermath of Davos idiot talks...just wait a day or two and everything should be back to normal"
"Ripple/XRP biggest advantage over all other cryptos is that can be and is used by average Joe (as any other crypto) + it is supported and used by many biggest financial institutions in the world for money transfers, hedge funds, etc. That is why xrp has skyrocketed last year, it will skyrocket this year and will skyrocket next year! It is simply crypto with strongest foundation and brightest guaranteed future! BUY AND HOOOOOLD!"
"Do not EVER trade your crypto for USDT Tether. It could literally be worth nothing tomorrow." Like this one, should say do not trade your fiat for crypto as it coulid literally be worth 0 tomorrow
 
Anyone got any contacts with big wigs of any of the banks?
Someone must know a link to one of the bank trials.

Not a big wig, but I can tell you that I hold a senior IT role at one.

We employ thousands of extremely smart software developers and engineers. Despite a vocal minority advocating we "get in or miss out", nobody...let me repeat that... NOBODY (especially not the vocal minority) has managed to come up with a use case for any blockchain or distributed ledger that wouldn't be served better by a centralised database (and our business covers many more sectors than most other banks!).

I look at all the announcements from other banks who say they are using R3, or Ripple, or Ethereum or whatever and all the stuff they have come up with is, to put it bluntly, stupid. Stupid malinvestment by companies fearful of getting left behind rather than the technologically confident and competent organisations who are applying technology to solve real world problems.

The phrase "solution looking for a problem" comes to mind...
 
Also an interesting phenomenon, some of the "early adopters" inside our organisation who were so interested that they dug in and really researched and understood the underlying technology, those guys have become serial debunkers of cryptocurrency hype within our org.
 
Also an interesting phenomenon, some of the "early adopters" inside our organisation who were so interested that they dug in and really researched and understood the underlying technology, those guys have become serial debunkers of cryptocurrency hype within our org.
Cheers for that. Nice to get more informed opinions from guys closer to the action.
 
Tech/A,

Are you able to provide any update on your trades with this crypto currency, just out of interest.

Still in all holding
Up about 70% on initial purchase with ripple
Not sure about the rest the geeks have got the
Portfolio. I’ll ask tomorrow
 
Hi Tech/A,

Thanks for the reply, but may I ask, what is your trading strategy, I assume you are not a buy and hold person? But could be wrong.

If you bought on an average of 0.84, when do you sell?
 
I'm buy and hold on these (Ripple)
The others I'm along for the ride others are making the decisions.
Prepared to lose the lot so I call this the
Kamikaze method.
 
This is rather out of character!
Not the one Duck thread to be taking advice from or seeking to feel reassured about your position.
Nothing tech/a about it.
 
This is rather out of character!
Not the one Duck thread to be taking advice from or seeking to feel reassured about your position.
Nothing tech/a about it.

(1) Cryptocurrency is not something I know a great deal about
(2) I look at it as a punt with some spare $$s
(3) I’ve not given any advice only personal opinion in my own circumstance.
 
Note to self - Even when gambling with money you can afford to lose, stick to your well groomed trading principals, there are no exceptions. Behavior is behavior! :rolleyes:
(And when your over 200% up take out your original capital, at the very least and you can't lose!:D)
 
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