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Personally i'm hoping for a selling climax before a nice rally into Christmas for our little index!

Watch those volumes and closes!

Cheers,
 
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Just some musings from one who is fundementally challenged. ..
Cisco reports lower earnings going forward due to reduced spending, particularly by Wall St firms.. is the sub-prime now officially spilling over?? Maybe the reports due this week from the big US retailers due this week will shed some more light on this??? Where Wall St leads... we follow??
Cheers
........Kauri
 
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Might have to wait for a summary of the reports. Not sure why GM went pear shaped? Was it people no longer being able to update or one off tax or something? When Harvey Normal electrical devision starts going soft, it might be hitting us. The worst case will be when people stop buying beer. Watch the beer division from Fosters. By that stage, it might be the bottom....
 
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I heard a great line on Bloomberg last week in an interview with some guy I can't remember. The question was posed "Do you think subprime is contained" He replied "sure, it's contained to planet earth."

Cisco's results were good but the forecast going out was not bullish. The reason for the Cisco's comments go something like this: Given the huge writedowns by many Wall Street firms, staff layoffs, and general belt tightening in the compensation area do you think they will be making big investments in technology next year?
 
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GM's huge writedown was the writing off of deferred tax assets. When a company makes a loss (as GM has been doing for years) those losses can be offset against future profits. However there is a time limit on the period to which the tax credits can be applied. GM's move to write off the deferred tax assets sends a signal that they are no longer confident about being able to offset those losses in the near term.

Is it related to subprime? Yes and No. GM was in trouble a long time before subprime reared it's head. They lost -$10.4 billion in 2005 and another- $2.0 billion in 2006.

However one of the reasons that they have changed their outlook is because of the poor performance of their mortgage origination arm GMAC - which of course is subprime related.
 
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Maybe I'm not seeing things too clearly, but there seems to be quite a few good reports out this season, less the financials.

What is Goodle up to?

And, one of ours:

Tech seems to be generally going fine.

Just a perception of course. And, I'm not well read.
 
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There are some great reports out this season from technology companies, Google being one of them. And yes less financials, homebuilders and retail earnings look good but you can't ignore 40% of the market. S&P500 earnings are in negative territory overall this quarter.

The pullback in the NASDAQ last week had as much to do with Cisco's outlook as with the fact that some of these tech companies have run up too far too fast IMHO. Google's share price graph below is representative of quite a few in the tech sector that needed to take a breath.
 

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Just pulled this from reuters. Can see a nice DOW rebound tonight on this news.



Top US banks organise $82bn bailout fundFrom correspondents in New York
November 12, 2007 08:15am
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THE top US banks agree on the structure of a backup fund of at least $US75 billion ($81.6 billion) to stabilise credit markets, The New York Times reported overnight.

Citing a person involved in the discussions, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the Times said that Bank of America, Citigroup Inc and JPMorgan Chase & Co officials reached agreement late on Friday, approving a more simplified structure than had been proposed during the course of some two months of negotiations.

?We cleared all the big hurdles,'' the newspaper quoted its source as saying. ?We agreed to a much simpler structure that we think can get done, rather than optimise it for everyone,'' the person said.

Discussions began in early autumn when the US Treasury Department convened a meeting.

Previous versions of a backup fund had been widely considered infeasible, spurring doubts about the prospect for a final plan, the Times said.

The proposed fund could begin operating by the end of the year, the newspaper reported, and the banks could start asking some 60 financial institutions to contribute to the fund in the next five to 10 days.

US Treasury Department officials declined to comment, the newspaper said.

The fund is meant to avoid a severe credit market disruption, according to its organisers, by either providing time for asset prices to recover or, more likely, at least discourage structured investment vehicles from unloading their holdings en masse, the Times said.

The fund also needs the major credit rating agencies' blessings.
 
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If it smells bad :flush: it doesn't matter how much you spray air-freshener about, it will still stink until it is flushed....
Hiding/diguising Wall St's losses is not going to give much joy to the millions of Americans being turfed out of thier houses by these same banks/institutions, but I have no doubt that the punters will see it as a positive and charge back in.....
Cheers
.........Kauri
 
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You certainly are in good form Kauri.

Very eloquently put.
 
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The Japanese markets musn't think much of it.

Japan Stocks Fall to Lowest in More Than a Year; Exporters Drop

By Patrick Rial

Nov. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Japanese stocks dropped to the lowest this year after reports of subprime losses at U.S. banks sent the dollar tumbling, clouding the profit outlook for companies including Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co.

Matsu****a, the world's largest maker of consumer electronics, dropped to the lowest in two weeks. Japan's benchmark Topix index fell to the lowest since June 2006.

In the U.S., the Standard & Poor's 500 Index slumped 1.4 percent on Nov. 9 after Wachovia Corp. announced losses on subprime-related investments, while Bank of America Corp. and JPMorgan Chase & Co. also said their earnings may suffer.

``It's not just the decline in U.S. stocks that we need to worry about; investors are reducing risk, which is causing yen strength across a lot of currencies, and that's bad for the exporters,'' said Norihiro Fujito, a senior strategist at Mitsubishi UFJ Securities Co. in Tokyo
 
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Markets dropping rapidly both here and in Japan and Hong Kong.Nikkei down 3.5%,Hang Seng down 4% and ASX down over 1%.Market indicators for the S & P 500,Nasdaq and DJIA starting to fall also.Any news for sharp decline?
 
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Markets dropping rapidly both here and in Japan and Hong Kong.Nikkei down 3.5%,Hang Seng down 4% and ASX down over 1%.Market indicators for the S & P 500,Nasdaq and DJIA starting to fall also.Any news for sharp decline?

What can’t find an article by a talking head to explain it?

Don't worry you will be able to find one tomorrow about the todays action by someone who doesn’t trade because they can’t.

What about a bit of analysis of price action from you rather than cut and paste news??
 
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I think I have a good spin on this one: oil price fears, subprime fears and profit downgrade fears. What a genius I am.
 
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I'm thinking it might have something to do with a new regulation that Kauri posted, and this article that I posted, on the Immemant and Severe Market Correction thread.

 
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Don't notice too much analysis on price action on your typepad.Please to see you have a disclaimer that commences,"I make mistakes."Certainly are a few spelling and grammatical ones in the only two I read.Perhaps a bit of cut and paste for the articles you draw some of your information from would be a great help.
 
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Forgot one, 'Rate hikes'.

But anyone looking at a chart from across the road would see some serious support has been broken on several Indices.
 
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My point is that this thread is titled XAO Analysis but it seems to have become a place to cut and paste articles from journalist. Ones that like most "news" out there is just rehashing of generalist dribble made-up to explain price movements by people that don't actually participate in the market, don't really understand it and will probably never will.

This poor excuse for information has its place, like misinforming the lazy, but in a thread about analysing the market when it used as 'the' comment rather than some evidence or extension of an idea it just downgrades the usefulness of this thread.

There has been some great, unique and impressive market analysis on this thread of all types by independent market participants. A lot are not my cup of tea, a lot are opposite to what I think but mostly they are very informative in their own way and add to the ongoing discussion. I just fail to see what cutting and pasting populist media rubbish can add to a thread titled XAO Analysis. If I'm wrong I'm more than willing to listen to why or how such ordinary "news" is worth reprinting.

Just as a note my information doesn't come from 'articles' to cut and paste. My info comes from watching charts, the ticker and forming my own opinion from the action I see myself as well as a good hit of fading the headlines.
 
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Most threads on this forum have posts that are completely away from the title.Many people cut and paste.If one was to rely on only people giving their own "opinion"in this forum,many EXCELLENT articles written by JOURNALISTS,who would get information from analysts and economists far more credentialled than(insert names you would like to, including....)in this forum.
It is not only obligatory to give credit to the writer of the article you have cut and pasted,but also,good manners.If you take other people's articles and rewrite them in your own words,it is called plagiarism.
So how many posts in this thread would you excoriate because they don't give an "analysis?"
To finish off,your first two threads to me were pure sarcasm and as the immortal bard said,"It is the lowest form of wit."Go back through the thread and do the same post to people who do a lot of cutting and pasting.
 
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Okay, sassa ands tremblingHand - can I just make a suggestion?

If you wish to continue this discussion-for-two, perhaps you might consider using PM. Actually you both have valid points/opinions/contributions (I consider), but it's not wise to allow any thread to turn into one-on-one attacks.

BTW I recognise that I am guilty of quoting articles, TH, but that is because I don't feel qualified/experienced enough to offer the calibre of analysis I have read on this thread, however, I do want to be a part of the forum, not just an observer - and thus I try to contribute. I will try my hand at adding commentary or opinion next time - hopefully not too facile. If I do so, I hope that readers will recognise that I am learning as I go and give me positive, constructive feedback and suggestion (without rancour). Perhaps, it's just a matter of degree, sassa?

Just my attempt to find some middle path.
 
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