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Ralph Nelson Elliott
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I'm not convinced that we are going to have a great rally from here... ..
I'm not convinced that we are going to have a great rally from here... todays financial sector notwithstanding.... if the Dow/S+P rallied overnight mainly on Buffett then when it really sinks in that he is only offfering to insure the monos top flight gear.. and at a premium of 1.5x what it is currently set at.. then the euphoria may fade as quickly as it arrived...
Also although a lotof the writedowns in US and some of the bigguns in Europe have surfaced.. one country that has a very large financial investment in all things American has been noticably absent at the coming out party.. when, as opposed to if, they make a late appearance, possibly through March, we may have more mayhem to contend with... unless of course in the meantime...
just rambling
.................Mrs Watanabe..
Just on the financials, since the All Ords peaked on November 1st they are all doing worse than the broader market. NAB off -30%, CBA off -25% WBC down -25% and ANZ down -22%
Just on the financials, since the All Ords peaked on November 1st they are all doing worse than the broader market. NAB off -30%, CBA off -25% WBC down -25% and ANZ down -22%
Yes isnt it great, i havent felt so happy in years. Finally value is coming from every angle. I am like a kid in a candy store.
.. one country that has a very large financial investment in all things American has been noticably absent at the coming out party.. when, as opposed to if, they make a late appearance, possibly through March, we may have more mayhem to contend with... unless of course in the meantime...
just rambling
.................Mrs Watanabe..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma...08/02/10/ccjapan110.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedboxJust as battered investors had begun to glimpse signs of recovery in America, the next shoe has dropped with an almighty thud in Japan. Echoes are rumbling across the Far East.
The Tokyo bourse has crumbled, suffering the worst start to the year since the Second World War. The Nikkei index is down 17 per cent since Christmas, and the shares of Japanese banks are leading the slide. Mizuho Financial, Mitsubishi UFJ and Sumitomo Mitsui have all been punished as hard or even harder than those US banks at the epicentre of the sub-prime debacle.
Japan's Nikkei index is down 17pc since Christmas
The nagging fear is that Japan's lenders - the conduit for the world's greatest stash of savings - have taken on a far bigger chunk of mortgage securities, collateralised loans obligations and other exotica from America's structured credit boom than they have yet revealed.
chilliaa,
Geniune question: Why do you believe the banks are good value at this point?
I'm not convinced that we are going to have a great rally from here... todays financial sector notwithstanding.... if the Dow/S+P rallied overnight mainly on Buffett then when it really sinks in that he is only offfering to insure the monos top flight gear.. and at a premium of 1.5x what it is currently set at.. then the euphoria may fade as quickly as it arrived...
Also although a lotof the writedowns in US and some of the bigguns in Europe have surfaced.. one country that has a very large financial investment in all things American has been noticably absent at the coming out party.. when, as opposed to if, they make a late appearance, possibly through March, we may have more mayhem to contend with... unless of course in the meantime...
just rambling
.................Mrs Watanabe..
I agree that falling off highs does not indicate value, but must make them bettervalue at least. I'm watching those banks with interest. Been smashed, maybe deservedly, but when they become 'good value' is the question. Rumours an Australian bank is going to report sub prime losses this am won't put a floor under these blood sucking fee monsters.chilliaa,
Geniune question: Why do you believe the banks are good value at this point?
0828 [Dow Jones] AUD/USD sharply lower overnight on rumors that an Australian bank is facing losses on subprime mortgages, according to Westpac FX strategy. Speculation in markets partly accounted for slide from 0.9040 to lows around 0.8940. AUD/USD was the main underperformer among the major currencies. AUD/USD now 0.8965. (JEG)
chilliaa,
Geniune question: Why do you believe the banks are good value at this point?
Just looking at the last 2 weeks action...
Seems that a decending triangle is forming... lower highs... (although not a perfect decending trangle as the lows are also higher too)
A break of 5750 might be a signal for higher prices...
A break below 5500 could be very very bad indeed... It seems that 5520-5540 has seen some VERY STRONG support so far.
I just wish I was game enough to trade these levels... the market is bonkers and needs to be hospitalised for mental problems...:bonk:
I agree, I havent found one bank that is good value at this point.
TTo be honest I cant make a really strong BUY case at the moment. Because I think provisioning as been under accounted for the last 5+yrs. The other issue is historical shrink in margins (even before this credit crisis stuff happened, refer to the banks 2007 annual reports and you will see what I mean).
At the end of the day, you have to make a 'bet' (I hate using that word), on where you see the Australian economy in several years down the track. If we have a 'soft patch', I think the banks will pull through. However if the economic climate gets rough then their stock has much further to go.
For myself I dont know the answer to that, so I bought ANZ earlier this year at about $26 which represented around 3% of my portfolio. Obviously the current price is lower, I am not buying more because of the risks mentioned above, but at the same time I am selling.
I have been recently buying other financial related stocks: MQG, BNB AMP and CPU during the recent turmoil.
If ASX can get down to around $35 I will start to pick that one up as well.
The market will struggle sideways for a few weeks before blowing off to the 6243pt level(which is the 0.618 retrace level) before heading south again. My target date for this high is 10 or11th of March. The price level is based of the confluence of 3 things:
• Retrace of price from top to bottom
• Assuming we get a contracting triangle pattern blue wave b forming
the thrust upward will be the approximate height of the triangle.
• The squaring of both price and time
Interested to see motorways estimation and B%.
So what's it telling us motorway? We're trending down?I will post more commentary on this later
So what's it telling us motorway? We're trending down?
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