World food shortage

[Spanning Tree]

why are afluent people skinnier than lower classes? is it about choice? not $$$?

Rich people can afford expensive healthy food like caviar or sushi. Poor people usually eat carb-rich cheap foods that are highly processed like pizza and pasta.

Furthermore, rich people can afford gym and active entertainment like skiing and mountaineering while the poor usually go for the cheap alternative of watching TV.

 

[Julia]

by the look at the ammount of fat people walking down our main street on pension day/s a food shortage may be a good thing !!

why are afluent people skinnier than lower classes? is it about choice? not $$$?

is food really too dear in the west? i dont think so....

Affluent people are usually better educated . They are more likely to be aware of good nutrition and will rate maintaining good physical health - sound nutrition + exercise - up there with maintaining their financial health.

Cost will have some effect, I guess. It's going to be more expensive to buy fresh salmon and good quality vegetables than Two Minute Noodles.

But sometimes I look at the trolleys of obese people and they are simply full of rubbish - cartons of fizzy drinks, lots of cake and biscuits, frozen chips, sausages. Maybe a bag of apples if you're lucky.
Those dollars could equally have been spent on some fresh vegetables and fish.

 

[Spanning Tree]

Ah stuff it, nature will take care of it all.

The idea of nature being the source of morality or how civilization should be structured is, in my opinion, a scary thought.

This is because I know of a pedophile on the Internet (named Lindsay Ashford) who believed that he had the right to molest children because he felt a natural desire within himself to have sex with them. Who knows, maybe he goes to developing countries like Russia to feed his desires.

The point is that our natural human instincts to plunder, rape, molest, and murder are things I'd rather not live with.

 

[disarray]

rape, murder and molestation of children are not "natural" human impulses but behavioural aberrations. if they were natural society wouldn't legislate against them (as it has since the 10 commandments)

oh yeah, fatty gif attached

 

[metric]

my point is that food is cheap. for the same $ as a fat person spends, i could buy a pretty good healthy trolley full of food.
some examples;
pasta-$1 for 500gm
tinned salmon $2.50 for 250gm
tinned tuna $1 for 250 gm
fresh fruit in season
frozen vegies
payless brown bread
real butter in paper
whole chooks (cut up at home)
fresh vegies in season
grow garden to supplement
nz frozen fish
budget steak (rump generally)
etc.
food is cheap. packaged food is expensive. expensive food is expensive. lack of grey matter is very expensive...

 

[Aussiejeff]

by the look at the ammount of fat people walking down our main street on pension day/s a food shortage may be a good thing !!

why are afluent people skinnier than lower classes? is it about choice? not $$$?

is food really too dear in the west? i dont think so....

Ahem. I wasn't aware we had a "class" based society here???

Your generalisation that "affluent" people are skinnier than "the lower classes" would not hold any weight (no pun intended) in TRULY poor countries in Africa, India etc. REALLY poor people in those places tend to be skeletal - not like the "nouveau poor" of New York or Australia who can still afford a half decent meal three times a say. There is poor and there is P.O.O.R.

I'm sure if you looked hard enough you would find there are plenty of "affluent" people in Australia with type 2 diabetes et all who wish they COULD shed a stack of kilos, but find the endless rounds of dinner parties where rich food and drinks predominate are too much for them to handle!

I agree that Australian diets are not ideal to say the least, but it is generally the "affluent" who control the media & advertising of crap foods. Maybe THEY could forego some revenue to promote a better lifestyle and lead by example?

AJ

 

[Julia]

Ahem. I wasn't aware we had a "class" based society here???

Weren't you, AJ? How naive of you.

Your generalisation that "affluent" people are skinnier than "the lower classes" would not hold any weight (no pun intended) in TRULY poor countries in Africa, India etc. REALLY poor people in those places tend to be skeletal - not like the "nouveau poor" of New York or Australia who can still afford a half decent meal three times a say. There is poor and there is P.O.O.R.

Correct. But we are talking about the obesity epidemic here in Australia.

I'm sure if you looked hard enough you would find there are plenty of "affluent" people in Australia with type 2 diabetes et all who wish they COULD shed a stack of kilos, but find the endless rounds of dinner parties where rich food and drinks predominate are too much for them to handle!

Oh, give me a break! Poor babies. Just forced into an endless round of fascinating dinner parties where they are force fed rich food.
What utter nonsense.

I agree that Australian diets are not ideal to say the least, but it is generally the "affluent" who control the media & advertising of crap foods. Maybe THEY could forego some revenue to promote a better lifestyle and lead by example?


AJ

What about personal responsibility? No one forces crap food down people's throats! There is enough nutritional information out there these days for almost everyone to be aware of what constitutes a healthy diet.

 

[Macquack]

my point is that food is cheap. for the same $ as a fat person spends, i could buy a pretty good healthy trolley full of food.
some examples;
pasta-$1 for 500gm
tinned salmon $2.50 for 250gm
tinned tuna $1 for 250 gm
fresh fruit in season
frozen vegies
payless brown bread
real butter in paper
whole chooks (cut up at home)
fresh vegies in season
grow garden to supplement
nz frozen fish
budget steak (rump generally)
etc.
food is cheap. packaged food is expensive. expensive food is expensive. lack of grey matter is very expensive...

Are you "metric" or more correctly "imperial".
I did'nt think this was a cooking forum.
What's you point here?
"Food is cheap" relatively speaking, up to the point where it consumes all you income.
Go and ask some pensioners if they think food is cheap, you superior twit.

 

[treefrog]

my point is that food is cheap. for the same $ as a fat person spends, i could buy a pretty good healthy trolley full of food.
some examples;
pasta-$1 for 500gm
tinned salmon $2.50 for 250gm
tinned tuna $1 for 250 gm
fresh fruit in season
frozen vegies
payless brown bread
real butter in paper
whole chooks (cut up at home)
fresh vegies in season
grow garden to supplement
nz frozen fish
budget steak (rump generally)
etc.
food is cheap. packaged food is expensive. expensive food is expensive. lack of grey matter is very expensive...

g'day metric,
how do you figure pasta and bread are healthy??
the rest of your list, no quibbles at all provided your tin of tuna doesn't contain canola oil which most do.

 

[metric]

macquack.

whats up your beak? and how do you know im not a pensioner...?

everything is cheap or expensive relatively speaking. you make no point at all. all you have done is post a flamming reply.

pensioners whom dont own their own homes find rent a bigger problem than food prices. food is a cost. but so it transport, petrol, power, rates, phone, etc.

there was no need for your nastiness quack. its obvious to all what sort of 'wit' you are...but not so obvious as to why? ....mm

 

[numbercruncher]

My pet peeve is Fat Kids ..... Fat adults isnt so bad, that personal resposibility.


Parents who give them a shocking start to life are effecting everything they can be and probably shaving a decade or more off the ends of there lifes. It effects everything from their academic to sporting performance to mental health and behaviour.

We dont let parents Give kids cigarettes or booze, we dont tolerate parents that bash kids, why do we tolerate parents that let their kids get so fat that its robbing them of a " normal " life ?

 

[Julia]

My pet peeve is Fat Kids ..... Fat adults isnt so bad, that personal resposibility.


Parents who give them a shocking start to life are effecting everything they can be and probably shaving a decade or more off the ends of there lifes. It effects everything from their academic to sporting performance to mental health and behaviour.

We dont let parents Give kids cigarettes or booze, we dont tolerate parents that bash kids, why do we tolerate parents that let their kids get so fat that its robbing them of a " normal " life ?

Numbercruncher, if you think about it, how often do these fat kids have slim parents? Almost never. It's mostly a multi-generational problem, where the parents are ignorant or just don't care, have poor diets and place a low value on exercise/general health, so obviously their kids will be the same.
Plus, of course, the overwhelming trend for children to sit down in their leisure time in front of small and large screens.

 

[Julia]

Are you "metric" or more correctly "imperial".
I did'nt think this was a cooking forum.
What's you point here?
"Food is cheap" relatively speaking, up to the point where it consumes all you income.
Go and ask some pensioners if they think food is cheap, you superior twit.

This is rather unnecessarily rude, isn't it?
Imo Metric's post was quite in context of the discussion.

 

[Macquack]

macquack.

whats up your beak? and how do you know im not a pensioner...?

everything is cheap or expensive relatively speaking. you make no point at all. all you have done is post a flamming reply.

pensioners whom dont own their own homes find rent a bigger problem than food prices. food is a cost. but so it transport, petrol, power, rates, phone, etc.

there was no need for your nastiness quack. its obvious to all what sort of 'wit' you are...but not so obvious as to why? ....mm

Metric, my point is this forum "World food shortage" is about the macro-economic consequenses, not your specific micro-economic view.

I had a crack at you for your previous sarcastic post linking the world food shortage to obese people. "by the look at the ammount of fat people walking down our main street on pension day/s a food shortage may be a good thing !!"
Your quote
"why are afluent people skinnier than lower classes? is it about choice? not $$$?"
That has to be a classic over-generalisation.
Sorry for calling you a twit, but I still think you are superior.

 

[metric]

i dont think im superior at all. im overweight!!! beeeeerrrrrr!!! lol. but i choose GOOD beer....!lol

people make bad decisions on food, and it hasnt anything to do with price. its grey matter, or lack of reading the myriad of health stuff available.

its well known, on average, afluent people are leaner than the poor. it is decision making not $ that makes people in the west fat or skinny.

i apologise for my shot at you also...

 

[Macquack]

i dont think im superior at all. im overweight!!! beeeeerrrrrr!!! lol. but i choose GOOD beer....!lol

people make bad decisions on food, and it hasnt anything to do with price. its grey matter, or lack of reading the myriad of health stuff available.

its well known, on average, afluent people are leaner than the poor. it is decision making not $ that makes people in the west fat or skinny.

i apologise for my shot at you also...

Cheers Metric, you have proven be a gentleman and scholar and not superior at all. Are we now buddies?

 

[metric]

Cheers Metric, you have proven be a gentleman and scholar and not superior at all. Are we now buddies?

buddies it is!! have a "3 ravens, blonde" on me!

 

[SM Junkie]

An article in Saturdays West Australian paper discussing world food shortage starting to hit US. Some big retailers are starting to ration large bags of rice. It also stated that 40 nations have put a ban on food exports.

Now looking at another article in which there will be agressive exploration for oil and gas fields of WA as "our oil self-sufficiency has been in decline..every barrel we don't produce is a barrel we have to import". I guess the same may very well apply to food.

Put together I'm thinking it is highly probable that we could see a pull back in globalisation. Perhaps Australia needs to consider being more self sufficient?

1) What we need to do in Oz is put up a big fence, get some really really big guns, and work out a survival plan.

Guess Buddy is not off mark with his comment.

I hope it's not to late for our farmers who have suffered dramatically as a result of imported products (thanks to our large retailers). Hopefully our nation can continue to support our farmers in our buying habits, because one day they may just pay a vital role in our quality of life.

 

[numbercruncher]

Im convinced we will see pull backs in globalisation, more nationalistic policies and closer bonds between certain groups of countries, the West should sit sweet, we are the worlds food bowl really Just need to kick that nasty oil addiction.

 

[nioka]

Im convinced we will see pull backs in globalisation, more nationalistic policies and closer bonds between certain groups of countries, the West should sit sweet, we are the worlds food bowl really Just need to kick that nasty oil addiction.

We are not the worlds food bowl by a long shot. We are only one of the worlds largest exporters of food because of our small population. There are many other countries who leave us for dead when it comes to production.