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1) Hey Treefrog, why do you slag capitalists on a share forum? The're not the only ones to cause human misery blah blah. There are plenty of other categories of "people" who beat the sh.. out of others. And you should know who i am referring to blah blah.

2) Smurf and Disarray have got it pretty spot on.

3) Lets face it, the major problems the world faces now is caused by too many fu..ers, both in the true sense of the word, and the other sense of the word.

4) The guy who put on his gravestone Max 500,000,000 is probably about correct. The only thing that remains is who is going to be members of that club. It sure aint Africa!

5) And re the 4 Corners story on the stolen children in China; Does this mean that they are going to have a "stolen generation" in the future and will have to say sorry? Oops, sorry for being a sicko.

6) Ah stuff it, nature will take care of it all. First global warming will get rid of a fair mob by drowning, food shortages, followed by war, famine and pestilence. Then the next ice age (which by the way is probably upon this planet sooner than any of you think - like, as Paris would say, maybe commencing in our childrens' or grandchildrens' lifetime) will top off the rest. What we need to do in Oz is put up a big fence, get some really really big guns, and work out a survival plan. How come none of the arty farty chardonnay sipping (not that there is anything wrong with Chardonnay - just guzzling is better than sipping!) bleeding heart communist socialist head up their ar.. too much to say blah blah attendees at the 2020 diddnt tackle that issue.

There's no going back. Its a matter of survival of the fitest now. And Michael Moore is a turd. ;):D
 
Buddy said:
1) Hey Treefrog, why do you slag capitalists on a share forum? The're not the only ones to cause human misery blah blah. There are plenty of other categories of "people" who beat the sh.. out of others. And you should know who i am referring to blah blah.

2) Smurf and Disarray have got it pretty spot on.

3) Lets face it, the major problems the world faces now is caused by too many fu..ers, both in the true sense of the word, and the other sense of the word.

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buddy - I'm a silly bugga really - just giving a few ideas/opinions a nuge now and then in the offchange we may get a bit more thought and the odd realistic solution
as for capitalits on a stock forum wherever did you get that idea? 98% would not even know what a capitalist was - try the forex market (still pretty unregulated there) may find a few
 
Hey frog. OK. LOL, your probably right about the forex.
Likewise, just stirrin.....
 
And so it goes......................

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23591765-601,00.html

It's all comming together, both on the ASF and rest of the world. The threads are linking together.

Terrorists, Pro-Chinese, Anti-Chinese, Iran has Nukes, Israel has Nukes,War, Gloom and Doom, Global Warming, Oceans rising, Global Cooling, Ice Age, Peak Oil, Oil Inflation, No oil, Good oil, Hyper Inflation, Hyper Deflation, Matters Green, Matters Brown, Crime, Drought, Famine, Pestilence, Bush is Bad, KRudd is Good, Howard is Bad, Deputy PM (what's her name) is Good, Bull Markets, Bear Markets, Matters Astronomical...................

The planets are aligning.
We'll all be roooned said Hanrahan.
Cats and dogs doing unnatural things........... (Ghost Busters)
Price of Gold going down (just today).
The end is nigh. Matters of biblical proportions.

Buy Gold. Buy more Gold. By even more Gold. Sell all my shares, buy Gold. Get rid of paper money, buy Gold.

Whew! Need to have a drink!:bonk:
 
Interesting link Buddy ! Starts with rice then perhaps the banning of MCD's supersize mes etc ? :eek:

US shops ration food for first time
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Might see a resurgence of victory gardens at this rate hey ?
 
Just watching Today on NBC.

They quote a couple of store chains in the US limiting the sale of rice and even flour... but aparently it's just because of media hype that some people are wanting to buy big heaps.

Here in Aus the big chains are squeezing many growers to the wall over price and few youngsters are wanting to stay on the land... so I think it's getting economical to plant my vege garden up again.
 
Whiskers said:
Just watching Today on NBC.

They quote a couple of store chains in the US limiting the sale of rice and even flour... but aparently it's just because of media hype that some people are wanting to buy big heaps.

Here in Aus the big chains are squeezing many growers to the wall over price and few youngsters are wanting to stay on the land... so I think it's getting economical to plant my vege garden up again.
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Yea, i think its a great idea. Bring on the tomatoes, Zucchini, and steak harvest.
 
Australia's birthrate of 12.02 per 1,000 at the time of compilation was 165th in the world. Then check out the top 10 with birthrates all over 40 per 1,000!! ALL are almost without exception very poor African countries, with some of the worst living conditions and lowest life expectancies on the planet. I suspect when populations are in a desperate state, they will actually breed MORE as the death rate rises.
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This is true. It is because producing children in chaotic, poor countries is a form of insurance since children can be used for labor on farms and also children may help the parents when they are older, making them akin to a pension.

This is why in Australia fertility rate is so low. Producing children has no actuarial benefit. Rather, children are only produced for pleasure. The problem is that children compete with other luxury goods for pleasure, such as Ferraris and holidays, which further reduce levels of fertility.

I take it that people starving is OK if we make profits? Capitalism gone too far?
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If enough of us are greedy enough to make profits by selling food at high prices, through competition the price would go down.

One of the factors leading to high food prices is the popularity of commodity investments.

The growing economies of India and China is also pushing food prices up.

i second the "wall off africa" motion.
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If Africans are breeding too much and Australians are breeding too little and if there is a scarcity of both skilled and unskilled labor in Australia then economic theory suggests the best idea is to allow free flow of labor between Australia and Africa. Unskilled Africans can work picking fruits on Australian farms. This will increase food production as well.

Putting a wall up separating free flow of labor is a form of Communism since you are not letting the free market allocate labor inputs to its most productive use but rather you are using central planning.

Western nations are going to be fine, we barely even replace ourselves here so dont include us in the cull thanks.
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I notice that people who advocate culling of the human population always find some convenient excuse to exclude themselves.

If you live in a country that cant feed itself, your in deep doo doo, stop breeding, dont expect us responsible people to pick up the slack or make any sacrifices.
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This argument assumes a fixed total amount of food divided among the population. The larger the population, the less food each person gets. However, the size of the population may affect the total amount of food there is because more people can work on the farms to produce more food. This idea of finite wealth being unfairly distributed was used by communists to argue that the capitalist class was taking too much and leaving too little for the working class.

Chinese parents like boys to carry on their family so girls are aborted. Oversupply of boys, who are they to marry? Maybe that will reduce population further.
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Isn't there an oversupply of females in Europe? The answer is trade. If Chinese males are rich enough, it'll be more likely.

Another way global oversupply of males can be fixed is with legalization of polygamy.
 
Spanning Tree said:
Another way global oversupply of males can be fixed is with legalization of polygamy.
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LOL - your getting at reverse polygamy ?

More males than females, so your suggesting females should have a " few " husbands.

Interesting fantasy i Guess :p:

Im thinking countries with massive over supplies of males will probably have the highest rates of homosexuality or lifetime bachelors.

Isn't there an oversupply of females in Europe? The answer is trade. If Chinese males are rich enough, it'll be more likely.
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Somehow I dont see reams of European lasses fancying the Idea of running off with Mandarin speaking rich guys in the interest of " trade " , we are more interested in concepts such as love in our culture thanks. Im sure you could hook up some " trades " with third world countries though.
 
Rice is the food critcal to the needs of billions, with the massive spike in the cost. What will the world food aid organisation feed the starving people now?
 
Spanning Tree said:
If Africans are breeding too much and Australians are breeding too little and if there is a scarcity of both skilled and unskilled labor in Australia then economic theory suggests the best idea is to allow free flow of labor between Australia and Africa. Unskilled Africans can work picking fruits on Australian farms. This will increase food production as well.
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yeah but then we are stuck with a large african population in the middle of our society with all the negatives of crime, unwillingness or inability to assimilate, and higher levels of welfare dependence. i'd prefer more expensive fruit thanks. economic theory is great but i'd prefer to live according to social theory.
 
as a way to combat the skills shortage i think it would be a good idea to have a special fast-tracked visa made available to english citizens who can score 9/10 on the TOEFL test and have a bit of money behind them. there are loads of anglo brits (and other europeans) who are eager to escape their homelands because of what sh1tty social and immigration policies have done to their countries so we should open the doors wide to let them in.

so middle class, educated, fluent citizens from a similar culture or poor, uneducated, tribal citizens from nations that have no stability and little to no civilisation at all. which do you think would be better for the long term prosperity and stability of our society?
 
Im thinking countries with massive over supplies of males will probably have the highest rates of homosexuality or lifetime bachelors.
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You're assuming that countries are hermetically sealed containers. I think in a globalized world we should see greater movement of people. For example, Russia has a huge oversupply of females because men died in many battles. As a result, many women in Russia advertise themselves to Western men.


yeah but then we are stuck with a large african population in the middle of our society with all the negatives of crime, unwillingness or inability to assimilate, and higher levels of welfare dependence. i'd prefer more expensive fruit thanks. economic theory is great but i'd prefer to live according to social theory.
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Are you assuming that African people are more prone to crime? The idea is assimilation is problematic because assimilation I assume is the ability of an individual to conform to the culture of a country. In other words, assimilation is a communist idea since it involves the individual giving up his freedom and conforming to the ideals of the community. Nevertheless, consider that most Australians don't have university degrees and most Australians buy Toyotas. Therefore, a doctor who drives a Holden is not assimilating because his characteristics are not average.

On the issue of welfare dependence the current system in Australia is that if you don't have a job you are eligible for Newstart Allowance from Centrelink. However, during this period you must look for a job and attend Centrelink programs that help you get a job. The system is set up so that in most cases getting a job is worth it because you don't get much from Centrelink (about $400 per fortnight) and you are hassled by them constantly, so you effectively work for your welfare. Also, is there any evidence to suggest that African people are more likely to be dependent on welfare than non-Africans? Even if they are, statistics show that men are more prone to crime than women, so should all men be deported? If you believe the ANZACs fought for individual freedom, then that includes the freedom of the individual to conduct his business how he please, hiring whomever he wants. Plus it includes the rights of individuals to be treated as individuals rather than being lumped up into a category so that he or she is responsible for the actions of another, e.g. you or I being blamed because men commit more crime than females and we are male yet we have committed no crime. Similarly, one particular African person may be the best fit for a particular job in Queensland but if you take statistics and find that African people are not as good on average at fruit picking than say Asians then you miss out on the opportunity to hire the best person for the job because you are conducting your analysis using continents as a heuristic rather than considering each individual on his or her merits.
 
This thread is starting to get wildly off topic lol ....


Australia simply doesnt need large scale or even small scale unskilled immigration, the solution is simple, workaway visas , millions from our pacific neighbours would love to come out for a few years and earn some hard currency, could also be viewed as an " Interview " for citizenship :D
 
numbercruncher said:
Australia simply doesnt need large scale or even small scale unskilled immigration, the solution is simple, workaway visas , millions from our pacific neighbours would love to come out for a few years and earn some hard currency, could also be viewed as an " Interview " for citizenship :D
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This could actually work well for specified visa where people are sponsed (as they are now in small numbers) to fill shortages in unskilled labour areas that are heavily time dependant, such as fruitpicking. These roles can't be "delayed" until more favourable market forces dictate they can proceed, the window of opportunity means we often need large numbers of people for a short period of time at a very specific time and place.

I will admit that I have been a little swayed by my wine addiction and would be devastated if (for example) the Heathcote Shiraz's are dusty for a vintage if people can't be found to pick the grapes at exactly the right time ;)
 
by the look at the ammount of fat people walking down our main street on pension day/s a food shortage may be a good thing !!

why are afluent people skinnier than lower classes? is it about choice? not $$$?

is food really too dear in the west? i dont think so....
 
I read an interesting little anecdote the other day, The USA is a nation where the poor are fat and the rich are thin, applicable here too perhaps ?

Eating healthy is more expensive for sure, but way I see it is, pay up front for healthy food or pay down the track for health problems!
 

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