Will the general population ever revolt?

CanOz · 30 January 2009

Interesting thread guys with some thought provoking responses.

I tend to agree that we (not my self personally) are slaves to debt, and governments tend to like it that way, at least in certain countries. Take away the benefits of the debt, and the ability to repay it and we may see some action.

CanOz

beerwm · 30 January 2009

Nyden said:
One can waste their entire life trying to better this world, and it'll never work. If everyone were to try to better themselves instead, we'd have no problems.

'the best interests of the group are achieved by the best interests of the person'

I think this was disproved 'if I remember John Nash in "A Beautiful Mind"'

'the best interests of the group are achieved by the best interests of the person in relationship to the group'

remind me to never be in your group Nyden

nunthewiser · 30 January 2009

70% of the population are already revolting

Largesse · 30 January 2009

you can never remove the benefit of debt, because you can never remove the utility derived from consumption.

Nyden · 30 January 2009

beerwm said:
'the best interests of the group are achieved by the best interests of the person'

I think this was disproved 'if I remember John Nash in "A Beautiful Mind"'

'the best interests of the group are achieved by the best interests of the person in relationship to the group'

remind me to never be in your group Nyden

Ah, but that's an argument for ones best interests - my argument about bettering oneself is not so much about interests, but rather ones attitudes, and beliefs about life. Such personal attributes have a great contribution to society as a whole.

Furthermore, in my "group" - one would not care about the best interests of the group, only the interests of themselves. To hell with the group! Just get enough power, and money as to keep you above the hoard throughout your life, and you're set.

wayneL · 30 January 2009

Nyden said:
Ah, but that's an argument for ones best interests - my argument about bettering oneself is not so much about interests, but rather ones attitudes, and beliefs about life. Such personal attributes have a great contribution to society as a whole.

Furthermore, in my "group" - one would not care about the best interests of the group, only the interests of themselves. To hell with the group! Just get enough power, and money as to keep you above the hoard throughout your life, and you're set.

Ahhh! A social Darwinian.

How quaint.

You have much to learn, Grasshopper.

Julia · 30 January 2009

Nyden said:
Ah, but that's an argument for ones best interests - my argument about bettering oneself is not so much about interests, but rather ones attitudes, and beliefs about life. Such personal attributes have a great contribution to society as a whole.

Furthermore, in my "group" - one would not care about the best interests of the group, only the interests of themselves. To hell with the group! Just get enough power, and money as to keep you above the hoard throughout your life, and you're set.

I can only hope this is said tongue in cheek. But, sadly, I suspect you are quite serious in your pont of view.
I cannot think of a less valid recipe for a happy life. Think about it, Nyden.

Julia · 30 January 2009

Reading this thread, I'm reminded of "Animal Farm".

Anyone else see the relevance?

beerwm · 30 January 2009

Nyden said:
Ah, but that's an argument for ones best interests - my argument about bettering oneself is not so much about interests, but rather ones attitudes, and beliefs about life. Such personal attributes have a great contribution to society as a whole.

Furthermore, in my "group" - one would not care about the best interests of the group, only the interests of themselves. To hell with the group! Just get enough power, and money as to keep you above the hoard throughout your life, and you're set.

Did you ever see 'A Beautiful Mind' Nyden?

I have a feeling you would of aimed for the blonde and gone home alone.

You are essentially part of the group, so looking out for yourself and the group are mutual. If you screw the group, you yourself are screwed.

your social theory has a few flaws

Nyden · 30 January 2009

beerwm said:
Did you ever see 'A Beautiful Mind' Nyden?

I have a feeling you would of aimed for the blonde and gone home alone.

You are essentially part of the group, so looking out for yourself and the group are mutual. If you screw the group, you yourself are screwed.

your social theory has a few flaws

As Julia suggested may be the case, the last part of my comment was indeed tongue in cheek Simply because I do care about everyone in society, and I do try to help where I can, but I put myself first.

I guess what I'm trying to say about my social theory - is that one can never depend on anything, or anyone; but themselves. This may sound harsh, possibly even sad, but I honestly believe it to be the truth. I guess I don't trust society anymore than I trust our government. This applies to everything - happiness, money, security, etc.

If we're all just ants working away in our little city, how does one ever get ahead of the pack? By doing something different, and putting themselves first.

Yes, I saw the movie - quite honestly their best bet would have been to simply walk away from that entire situation, and avoid the embarrassment.

Buster · 30 January 2009

They have a saying in the Navy..

'Jack Tarr's (slang for sailor) not happy unless he's complaining'. I always though it relevant only to Navy, but it seems that it can be applied to most walks of life.

Cant have it too bad, you piss into perfectly good drinking water every day without even thinking about it. There are many less fortunate in other parts of the world that would appreciate that water even after you pissed in it..

Cheers,

(Baby Boomer) Buster

beerwm · 30 January 2009

Nyden said:
As Julia suggested may be the case, the last part of my comment was indeed tongue in cheek Simply because I do care about everyone in society, and I do try to help where I can, but I put myself first.

I guess what I'm trying to say about my social theory - is that one can never depend on anything, or anyone; but themselves. This may sound harsh, possibly even sad, but I honestly believe it to be the truth. I guess I don't trust society anymore than I trust our government. This applies to everything - happiness, money, security, etc.

If we're all just ants working away in our little city, how does one ever get ahead of the pack? By doing something different, and putting themselves first.

Yes, I saw the movie - quite honestly their best bet would have been to simply walk away from that entire situation, and avoid the embarrassment.

I figured that was what you were getting at.

PS: I would of gone for the blonde, i like my chances.

Aussiejeff · 31 January 2009

Julia said:
Reading this thread, I'm reminded of "Animal Farm".

Anyone else see the relevance?

Your age and mine?

Once, when I read a first edition I thought "1984 is so-o-o-o far away" - now, I realise it was such a long, l-o-o-ng time ago.

*sigh*

knocker · 31 January 2009

Lots of revolting people here at asf. Robots Beej come to mind. Make me puke with their endless spruik.

Aussiejeff · 31 January 2009

Looks like the peasants are revolting, sire!

Article from: Agence France-Presse
From correspondents in London

January 31, 2009 03:44am

[size=+1]WILDCAT strikes against foreign workers have spread through oil refineries and other energy facilities in Britain, fuelled by fears of rising job cuts due to the global slowdown[/size].

The protest started at Britain's third-largest oil refinery, Lindsey in Lincolnshire, eastern England, where workers first walked out on Wednesday over the use of Italian and Portuguese contractors on a STG200-million ($440 million) building project.

But it had spread by Friday to a handful of other refineries and plants across Britain, where unemployment is at its highest rate for 10 years as the credit crunch hits hard.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has in the past pledged "British jobs for British workers'', while recently warning against trade protectionism as a response to the worldwide downturn.

Local lawmaker Shona McIsaac, of Brown's ruling Labour Party, said the decision to hire foreign contractors was "like a red rag to a bull for people in our community who are out of work''.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24987960-5005961,00.html

Time to pack before the conflagration starts, Wayne?

numbercruncher · 31 January 2009

The swarms of Unemployed Brits might start dragging all those pesky antipodean barmen out into the streets and throw them onto the next big red bird ouuta there soon hey ?

I guess down here all we do is revoke working visas, but these European passport holders can float around from country to countrty like gypsies pinching each others jobs - perhaps bidding wages into the ground and demonstrating how Globilisation is doomed to failure

This new world order thing is starting to look more like a new world failure ....

Aussiejeff · 31 January 2009

numbercruncher said:
The swarms of Unemployed Brits might start dragging all those pesky antipodean barmen out into the streets and throw them onto the next big red bird ouuta there soon hey ?

I guess down here all we do is revoke working visas, but these European passport holders can float around from country to countrty like gypsies pinching each others jobs - perhaps bidding wages into the ground and demonstrating how Globilisation is doomed to failure

This new world order thing is starting to look more like a new world failure ....

...or, looked at another way,

Chaos Theory Becomes Fact.

nunthewiser · 31 January 2009

knocker said:
Lots of revolting people here at asf. Robots Beej come to mind. Make me puke with their endless spruik.

Why is that ?? is it because of the alternative opinions? or do u have a physical affliction against there poster names ?

Ageo · 31 January 2009

There are 2 problems why citizens wont revolt today

1: Everybody is lovey dovey and with all the feel good and scare programs today people would be to afraid to revolt.

2: Alot of people are against the 2nd Amendment but its because of that very law it allows U.S citizens to defend themselves incase of a tyranny government (thats why they 4 fathers had "The Right To Bear Arms" enscribed into the constitution.

Lets look at Italy with its Mafia problem, the "only" and i mean only way to remove the mafia and be free in its society is to revolt.

And if you look at most dictators in the past they had their civilians stripped of their personal arms that way they could never fight back.

You see alot of people say there is no need for a civilian to own a firearm (only farmers etc..) and they are entitled to their opinion but if a government were to be corrupt (which most are) and abuse their power who can stand up to a government with a military force behind it if citizens arnt armed??

It might sound western but its reality unfortunately.

Aussiejeff · 31 January 2009

:behead:

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