Where is/can Hillary Clinton take US (sic)?

[So_Cynical]

My main concern now is that if The Donald snares the upset win - we may see a post-Brexit-like slump on world markets.

Snowflake in hell.

 

[Knobby22]

Knobby22, you should stop reading and believing the crap fed daily in the media; where did you see Trump suggesting increased military spending as opposed to Hillary?.

It is official policy! Will post his policies later. Unless you beat me to it. You have them or are you just trusting the media?

 

[basilio]

Yeh it's all show. If he was just himself without all the affectations he might be ok. He tries to act like the most moderate, considered, wise cool dude because he knows these things are likable. They're only likable qualities when they're real! He puts more effort into the smooth timing of his speech, movements and comedic quips than his policies.

This character assessment/assasination does my head in.

We have see President Obama for 8 years now. He has had to deal with a hostile Republician Congress and Senate which has refused to pass much of his legislation. He has had to deal with total rubbish birther claims, claims he is a secret Muslim, that Michelle is a guy and God knows what else.

Throughout it all has been moderate, considered, wise and cool. He is also funny with a great sense of timing Amazing really in the circumstances.

And yet, and yet.. and still yet...

To Gringott and Co this is all simply further evidence of what a lying, desicable person he is. It reminds of how they proved witchcraft in the old days.

The witch was bound and thrown into the lake.

If the water accepted her she was innocent (just drowned)

If the water rejected here and she floated... she was a witch and burned.

Just madness..

 

[Knobby22]

Don't stress Bas. he is actually extremely popular. 57% approval rating.

Did you see that lady with the giant Trump on her front lawn?
She can't understand why he is not winning on the polls.
All the signs in the town that are up are pro-Trump and everyone is getting a picture next to the giant Trump she made.

The reality is that the reason people are getting pictures is that it is so kitsch and something to laugh about later, not that they are going to vote for him. The reason people aren't putting up signs for Clinton is the redneck Trump supporters would probably shoot them up and maybe do some other damage also to the house.

I will publish the Trump promises under his thread.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

This character assessment/assasination does my head in.

We have see President Obama for 8 years now. He has had to deal with a hostile Republician Congress and Senate which has refused to pass much of his legislation. He has had to deal with total rubbish birther claims, claims he is a secret Muslim, that Michelle is a guy and God knows what else.

Throughout it all has been moderate, considered, wise and cool. He is also funny with a great sense of timing Amazing really in the circumstances.

And yet, and yet.. and still yet...

To Gringott and Co this is all simply further evidence of what a lying, desicable person he is. It reminds of how they proved witchcraft in the old days.

The witch was bound and thrown into the lake.

If the water accepted her she was innocent (just drowned)

If the water rejected here and she floated... she was a witch and burned.

Just madness..

You're full of crap. I said he has a fake personality. I also said he had good comedic timing (a lot of work has gone into developing that). All he needs to do is quit playing the "good guy" role and be natural and real.

I made no mention of his heritage, conspiracy theories, witchcraft (getting thrown in the lake??). All those things are in your head.

 

[bellenuit]

that Michelle is a guy

That's one I hadn't heard. IMO she is the best first lady the US has ever had (though those pre-Jackie Kennedy are at a disadvantage not having the same media attention in those days).

 

[luutzu]

That's one I hadn't heard. IMO she is the best first lady the US has ever had (though those pre-Jackie Kennedy are at a disadvantage not having the same media attention in those days).

Eleanor Roosevelt doesn't come close to Michelle Obama?

What has Michelle done to deserve such high praise? Looking pretty and giving nice speeches about Donald Trump shaking her to her core because the Donald is a pig?

Eleanor actually get out there among the people, the poor, the returned soldiers.. .and she nudge her husband into doing something for those people. Not to mention her work on the UN, womens rights etc.

Standards have slipped for what ought to be admirable.

 

[luutzu]

You're a piece of work Lu, i would not have picked you for Trumpy, but i guess desperation has got to you too....

I'm not a Trump supporter.

Do we have to go with one or the other?

I dislike Obama, Hillary as much as I dislike Trump. They're all the same. It's just rubbish to think that Trump is more dangerous than Clinton; or that Obama is a good president.

If you just peek into what the Clintons and Obama has done, they're just as equally bad or much worst than Bush Jr. and the Republicans. Only difference is Obama and Bill Clinton are smart enough to hide their bs in nice sound bites.

 

[luutzu]

Yeh it's all show. If he was just himself without all the affectations he might be ok. He tries to act like the most moderate, considered, wise cool dude because he knows these things are likable. They're only likable qualities when they're real! He puts more effort into the smooth timing of his speech, movements and comedic quips than his policies.

Yea, he's a total fraud.

It's quite disgusting the nonsense he speaks about versus the reality of what his policies and inaction brought about. I mean, turning up to Flint, Michigan where American kids are lead poisoned, where their parents are already without much work and are suffering from drinking corrosive and contaminated water... and the dude take a sip from water that's been filtered and said it's all good, drink it up. Just don't let kids under 6 or the elderly drink it. How about a repair? Temporary pipes for safe water while they wait for the corroded pipes to be fix? Na...

I heard his half-brother is living in poverty in Nigeria. Talk about Brother's Keeper he was on about. I don't know, if I'm the president, my half-brother wouldn't be living in poverty.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Do we have to go with one or the other?

I dislike Obama, Hillary as much as I dislike Trump.

Same, although I do agree with Trump's protectionist policies (charity starts at home, and all that). But, I couldn't vote for him because he has said he condones torture.

If I had a choice of Obama, Trump and Hillary I'd choose Obama, with gritted teeth. What a mess, eh?

 

[SirRumpole]

Yea, he's a total fraud.

A lot of people over estimate the power that the US President has of domestic affairs. He has the power to blow up the planet, but domestically he has to get stuff through Congress and he's had Congress against him most of the time.

 

[luutzu]

A lot of people over estimate the power that the US President has of domestic affairs. He has the power to blow up the planet, but domestically he has to get stuff through Congress and he's had Congress against him most of the time.

I don't blame Obama for not getting things done, I blame him for not giving a dam.

He hasn't put up any fight for the average American, at all.

Maybe to be fair, he did seem like he want to do right by the public, but then pretty quickly - almost immediately - cave in when the real power tells him and his advisors who actually own the place.

So take Obama Care... he did wanted to put the public option - our version of Medicare - into the bill. Big Pharma and Big Insurance ahem, and it was immediately knocked off the option. So the whole thing ends up being written by the insurance companies and he signed off on it. Sure there's some improvements on previous options... like insurers must cover people with "pre-existing condition", but it's not the kind of healthcare system that's affordable or effective as what our medicare system - and that of most of the developed economies - are.

We don't want a president or an PM to have absolute power; so compromises must be made and that's all good. But for a president, there are countless ways available to put up a good fight and get what you wanted.

So take Lincoln... he didn't take on slavery until the timing and political opportunity was right. But he did get it done. Or FDR telling unionists and social progressive organisers to "make me do it" by protests and marching on Washington, scaring the heck out of the fat cats and their politicians that they'd be more convinced when FDR points to mass protests to make his case... or Johnson doing deals and manipulating members of Congress to get the civil rights act passed.


Obama came to office with the GFC almost bringing the US and world economy to an end. Who did he bailed out and who got left behind? Who got regulated and who get to be bigger than ever?

 

[basilio]

Yep Michelle Obama is definately a woman. All the evidence is in if anyone cares to look. (Particularly if you don't like President Obama..)

http://newsbeat.co.ke/gossip/irrefutable-scientific-proof-michelle-obama-is-indeed-a-man/

I can ceratainly see how President Obama could have/should have achieved more for the average American vs Big Business. I also don't think Hilary Clinton is the best Democratic candidate. On current history she is too close to big business and pretty hawkish. Elizabeth Warren, in my view, would be a stronger, more people orientaed President.

But the choice at the moment is between a well qualified candidate with demonstated experience and skills and Donald Trump who just makes scads of dollars through dodgy business's (Casinos, Trump University, ) and has the sensitivity and naunce of a drunken rhino.

 

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[Logique]

Operation Clinton: Hillary is in a race with JFK for the most medicated Presidential candidate in history

 

[DB008]

The Tolerant Left

Donald Trumps star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was smashed with a sledge hammer a few days ago.

It was repaired

A homeless lady was standing up (politically) for Trumps Star.

She was then pushed around, mocked, shoved to the ground by the lefties.

Typical Left Wing crap. True colours.

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[Logique]

Somewhat irrationally, when considering Hillary, I always get a mind's eye picture of Mrs Gerhardt, the crime family matriarch from the tv series Fargo, played by Jean Smart.

Probable election winner though, only just.

 

[explod]

Oh well its from Zero Hedge but it is getting to MSM also. I think we have bad rocky roads ahead:

No matter which way you spin this, this is not good news for Hillary Clinton. We all know that she has had by far the worst week in her life, and yes, I believe that in her mind, this past week even dwarfs the scandals she faced in the 90s.


The corruption that has bubbled up to the surface can no longer be denied, not even by the Main Stream Media, which has up until this point been in the tank for Hillary. We are witnessing a full blown retreat of Democrats in the last stretch of this election cycle, as key supporters state that they can no longer vote for her.


The FBI's renewed investigation into her email case has slapped her supporters in the face, and all but the most die-hard, blinded liberals cannot stomach the thought of voting for a candidate that is very likely to be under criminal investigation for much of her first year in office.


Not only will she be under active investigation for her first year, but there is a high probability that she will be found guilty of one crime or another. To deny this will only prove that you have your head buried in the sand and are living in an alternate delusional reality.


Let me state this one more time. The FBI WOULD NOT reopen this investigation into Hillary Clinton unless they had sufficient evidence that there was SERIOUS wrongdoing on her part. They would not put their reputation, nor risk the election in such a rash or foolish way.

 

[Logique]

Yes it rings true that the FBI would be in damage limitation mode. Why else this bizarre timing of their announcement.

I just want this US Election to be over now.

Source Anon:

Let me state this one more time. The FBI WOULD NOT reopen this investigation into Hillary Clinton unless they had sufficient evidence that there was SERIOUS wrongdoing on her part. They would not put their reputation, nor risk the election in such a rash or foolish way.