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MoXjo I appreciate you don't have sympathies for Hilarary Clinton or the Democrats. Nonetheless using a puff piece from Forbes business magazine written in Jan 2017 the day after Christopher Steele was identified as the author of the report to discredit it is just plain wrong.

The indisputable fact is that Christopher Steele was commissioned to research Donald Trumps activities in Russia. He pulled together a number of observations from many people in and around the Kremlin. The accuracy of the observations can be questioned and as every intelligence operative would attest you can't believe or be sure of everything you are told. Steele said he had confidence in 70-90% of the observations made in his report.

Steeles history as a MI5 operative and later work as a private investigator have given him total credibility in the eyes of the FBI and US Secret Service. In their view he is a professional and his work needs to be taken and checked seriously. During 2017 there were a number of stories which explored the report. The best one I could find was written by John Sipher a former member of the CIA's senior intelligence service.

His analysis of the Orbis report is worth reading if only to undersatnd how intelligence services analyse and evaluate information.


The Steele Report, Revisited

How much of the infamous document ended up being corroborated elsewhere? A whole lot.
By John Sipher


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U.S. President Donald Trump meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin during their bilateral meeting at the G-20 summit in Hamburg, Germany, on July 7.
Carlos Barria/Reuters

This piece was originally published on Just Security.

Recent revelations of Trump campaign connections to Russia have revived interest in the Steele dossier. The dossier is composed of a batch of short reports produced between June and December 2016 by Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based firm specializing in commercial intelligence for government and private-sector clients. The collection of Orbis reports caused an uproar when it was published online by BuzzFeed just 10 days before Donald Trump’s inauguration.

Taken together, the series of reports painted a picture of active collusion between the Kremlin and key Trump campaign officials based on years of Russian intelligence work against Trump and some of his associates. This seemed to complement general statements from U.S. intelligence officials about Russia’s active efforts to undermine the 2016 election. The greatest attention was paid to the first report, which conveyed salacious claims about Trump consorting with prostitutes in Moscow in 2013. Trump himself publicly refuted the story, while Trump associates denied reported details about their engagement with Russian officials. A lot of ink and pixels were also spent on the question whether it was appropriate for the media to publish the dossier.

Almost immediately after the dossier was leaked, media outlets and commentators pointed out that the material was unproven. News editors affixed the terms “unverified” and “unsubstantiated” to all discussion of the issue. Political supporters of President Trump simply tagged it as “fake news.” Riding that wave, legendary Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward characterized the report as “garbage.”

For professional investigators, however, the dossier is by no means a useless document. Although the reports were produced episodically—almost erratically—over a five-month period, they present a coherent narrative of collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign. As a result, they offer an overarching framework for what might have happened based on information from individuals on the Russian side who claimed to have insight into Moscow’s goals and operational tactics. Until we have another more credible narrative, we should do all we can to examine closely and confirm or dispute the reports.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...eele_dossier_has_since_been_corroborated.html

Many of my former CIA colleagues have taken the Orbis reports seriously since they were first published. This is not because they are not fond of Trump (and many admittedly are not) but because they understand the potential plausibility of the reports’ overall narrative based on their experienced understanding of both Russian methods and the nature of raw intelligence reporting. Immediately following the BuzzFeed leak, one of my closest former CIA colleagues told me that he recognized the reports as the obvious product of a former British Secret Intelligence Service officer, since the format, structure, and language mirrored what he had seen over a career of reading SIS reports provided to CIA in liaison channels. He and others withheld judgment about the veracity of the reports, but for the reasons I outline further below they did not reject them out of hand. In fact, they were more inclined for professional reasons to put them in the trust but verify category.
 
Bas there is no proof...
Its just gossip and it's being used to smear Trump.
You can post all the articles from so called experts with an agenda, but it ain't going to hold up without proof. Orbis could have easily been fed whatever bull**** Russia wanted.

Just to make it clear, this was a dirt file.

I think Trump is an idiot. But I won't defend smear campaigns by butt hurt republican and democrats. Proof then kick him out. But do not turn fiction into truths, which seems to be the way the media is trending.
 
Bas there is no proof...
Its just gossip and it's being used to smear Trump.
You can post all the articles from so called experts with an agenda, but it ain't going to hold up without proof. Orbis could have easily been fed whatever bull**** Russia wanted.

Just to make it clear, this was a dirt file.

I think Trump is an idiot. But I won't defend smear campaigns by butt hurt republican and democrats. Proof then kick him out. But do not turn fiction into truths, which seems to be the way the media is trending.

MoXjo this doesn't make sense... at all. If you have read the full text from John Siphers article you'll see that the analysis of Russian intervention in US politics is being proven. As the investigations into the connections between Trumps political supporters and Moscow become clearer, yes, there will be pressure on Donald Trump.

The files have never been taken as gospel. The CIA and FBI just believed that Christopher Steele was very competant and operated in good faith. That meant his claims needed to be taken and investigated seriously - not just summarily dismissed as fake news.


From the John Sipher story

"He and others withheld judgment about the veracity of the reports, but for the reasons I outline further below they did not reject them out of hand. In fact, they were more inclined for professional reasons to put them in the trust but verify category."
 
Bas there is no proof...
Its just gossip and it's being used to smear Trump.
You can post all the articles from so called experts with an agenda, but it ain't going to hold up without proof. Orbis could have easily been fed whatever bull**** Russia wanted.

Just to make it clear, this was a dirt file.

I think Trump is an idiot. But I won't defend smear campaigns by butt hurt republican and democrats. Proof then kick him out. But do not turn fiction into truths, which seems to be the way the media is trending.

Mo Trump and or his election team colluded with the Russians no ifs or buts just a matter of to what degree

Trump will not be kicked out Repubs get to elect another more supreme court justices....that's the long game.
 
Mo Trump and or his election team colluded with the Russians no ifs or buts just a matter of to what degree

Trump will not be kicked out Repubs get to elect another more supreme court justices....that's the long game.
Who? Papadopoulos? A proven liar.
Lets see what comes out of that because there ain't much so far.

As for the hack they don't have proof the Russians did it. They have malware and logs that point to Russian methods. But the most they can do is suspect it was the Russians.
Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear why didn't they just name them "russian vodka drinking government bear".

Crowdstrike caught the hackers in the act and still could only make best educated guess as to who it was.
Yeah it was highly probable it was the Russians. But it could have been China, North Korea, CIA.
Anyone can look like anyone. It's all right their in the CIA document dump on wikileaks.

So I stand by what I said. There ain't much proof.
 
In the upheaval over the public figures who have been accused of sexual harrassment/assault lets not forget "Don the Groper-in-Chief".
At this stage there are 20 women who have publicly stated Donald Trump assaulted the. Different times, different places, over many years.
20 is almost a full Aussie Rules team. A good round number.
The Gropher-in-Chief continues to insist that all of these women are lying and that he "never dun nutthin".
Amazing isn't it ?

The Trump allegations
A list of the sexual misconduct accusations made against Donald Trump. He has denied the allegations

by Lucia Graves and Sam Morris

Last updated yesterday

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A growing list of powerful men have faced serious consequences for sexual misconduct allegations but the most powerful one of all has faced none. Instead Donald Trump's official position, as his spokeswoman Sarah Sanders recently clarified in a White House press briefing, is that the 20 women accusing him of assault and harassment are lying. Trump has also suggested some were not attractive enough for him to want to sexually assault. As the conversation around sexual conduct continues to evolve, and new abusers are revealed, here are the cases against the president.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list
 
Michale Flynn has rolled and is co-operating with the Mueller FBI team..

Michael Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI as Trump-Russia inquiry takes critical step
  • Flynn ready to testify about contact between Trump campaign and Russians
  • ‘I recognize that my actions were wrong … I am working to set things right’

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Michael Flynn arrives at court in Washington on Friday. Photograph: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters

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Tom McCarthy in New York

Friday 1 December 2017 16.40 GMT First published on Friday 1 December 2017 14.27 GMT

In a startling breakthrough for prosecutors investigating potential collusion between Russia and the Donald Trump presidential campaign, former national security adviser Michael Flynn announced on Friday that he was cooperating with prosecutors and ready to testify about Russian contacts.

After months of silence and invisibility, Flynn walked into a federal courthouse in Washington DC on Friday morning and pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the FBI. The plea was part of a larger deal with special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, and strikes at the heart of the Trump White House.

The US president was uncharacteristically mute as the spectacle played out. The White House canceled a planned photoshoot in the Oval Office with the prime minister of Libya.

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Flynn admitted that he lied in interviews with FBI agents shortly after the inauguration about conversations he had held with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak concerning US sanctions on Russia and other matters.

Flynn further described a chain of communication within Trump’s presidential transition team in which he received direction in December 2016 from a “very senior transition official” – unnamed in court documents – and consulted “senior members” of the team on what to say to Kislyak.

Because Trump was not in power at the time, that plotting could expose those involved to charges of working with foreign governments to undermine US policy. But the extent of Flynn’s potential testimony in the Russia matter was unknown and could carry other legal hazards for the White House.

Flynn acknowledged wrongdoing for the first time in a statement on Friday.

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“It has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of treason,” Flynn said. “But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right.”

He added: “My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the special counsel’s office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...viser-michael-flynn-charged-with-lying-to-fbi
 
The Liar-in Chief. Chronic and pathalogical. The detail in this story is jaw dropping. I look forward to seeing Donal Trump sue Susan Mulcahy for defamation...

A gossip columnist's guide to outwitting Trump, 'a narcissist beyond description'
The former New York Post columnist Susan Mulcahy has been dealing with Trump’s lies for decades. What is her advice to the media on handling him?


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Donald Trump: ‘The way he lied I had never experienced,’ says Susan Mulcahy. Photograph: New York Post Archives/The New York Post via Getty Images

Lucia Graves in Washington

Friday 1 December 2017 12.00 GMT Last modified on Friday 1 December 2017 19.58 GMT

When Donald Trump became a presidential candidate, Susan Mulcahy got a call from a former colleague at New York Newsday. “You’d better stock up on valium,” the ex-colleague said.

“It’s because I hated him so much,” said Mulcahy, the veteran gossip columnist who covered Trump for years at the New York Post, describing the call. “I would go ballistic if his name was mentioned in the office.”

Trump’s reputation as a liar now precedes him, but this week it reached new heights. In addition to reports that he regularly brags about winning the votes of a majority of American women – he did not – other accounts say that he has begun questioning the authenticity of the Access Hollywood tape in which he boasted about grabbing women’s genitals.

It’s an over-the-top falsehood (the hosts of Access Hollywood have reiterated that the tape is authentic) but to Mulcahy, it is just par for the course with Trump. “Most people have an alibi or a backup plan; Trump doesn’t do that,” she told the Guardian. “He just says the exact opposite of what he did five minutes ago.”

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Who are the 20 women accusing Donald Trump of assault and harassment?
No one can argue that Mulcahy didn’t warn them. “He’s a pathological liar. I’ve said that repeatedly and I’ve been saying it since the 80s. He has two sports, golf and lying, and that’s it. He just lies about everything.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/trump-gossip-columnist-media-coverage-susan-mulcahy
 
The Liar-in Chief. Chronic and pathalogical. The detail in this story is jaw dropping. I look forward to seeing Donal Trump sue Susan Mulcahy for defamation...

A gossip columnist's guide to outwitting Trump, 'a narcissist beyond description'
The former New York Post columnist Susan Mulcahy has been dealing with Trump’s lies for decades. What is her advice to the media on handling him?


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Donald Trump: ‘The way he lied I had never experienced,’ says Susan Mulcahy. Photograph: New York Post Archives/The New York Post via Getty Images

Lucia Graves in Washington

Friday 1 December 2017 12.00 GMT Last modified on Friday 1 December 2017 19.58 GMT

When Donald Trump became a presidential candidate, Susan Mulcahy got a call from a former colleague at New York Newsday. “You’d better stock up on valium,” the ex-colleague said.

“It’s because I hated him so much,” said Mulcahy, the veteran gossip columnist who covered Trump for years at the New York Post, describing the call. “I would go ballistic if his name was mentioned in the office.”

Trump’s reputation as a liar now precedes him, but this week it reached new heights. In addition to reports that he regularly brags about winning the votes of a majority of American women – he did not – other accounts say that he has begun questioning the authenticity of the Access Hollywood tape in which he boasted about grabbing women’s genitals.

It’s an over-the-top falsehood (the hosts of Access Hollywood have reiterated that the tape is authentic) but to Mulcahy, it is just par for the course with Trump. “Most people have an alibi or a backup plan; Trump doesn’t do that,” she told the Guardian. “He just says the exact opposite of what he did five minutes ago.”

Q&A
Who are the 20 women accusing Donald Trump of assault and harassment?
No one can argue that Mulcahy didn’t warn them. “He’s a pathological liar. I’ve said that repeatedly and I’ve been saying it since the 80s. He has two sports, golf and lying, and that’s it. He just lies about everything.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/trump-gossip-columnist-media-coverage-susan-mulcahy


Yea, Trump bring lying to a whole new level.

A video tape caught him bragging about sexually assaulting women, yet he now deny he ever said it. It's "made up" by the "fake news" media. wtf? We saw the tape Donald.

Then there's him lying, on stage, about the latest "tax reform". The biggest tax cuts in the history of the US, he brags. But it doesn't benefit him or his billionaire friends. They hate him, they didn't know about the tax cuts helping them and when they call him to complain, he wouldn't help them. It's to benefit the ordinary American.

wtf.

Every non-partisan groups have said that the 'reform' will immediately raise taxes on those earning $35K and lower. Some 80% of the hundreds of billions will go to the top 1 or 5%.

And then there's his WH spokewoman spinning Trump's retweeting of a fake video claiming Muslim refugee kicking a disabled Norwegian [?] kid off a roof then killing him etc.

She said to reporters that they're focusing on the wrong thing, it doesn't matter that the tape was fake; what's real is the Islamist threat. Seriously. She said that.

I'm surprised that some 20% of Americans still believe their government. I guess those are the kids just graduating from Kindergarten.
 
Bas do you work for leftist groups?
Does one have to be "Leftist" to be concerned about a compulsively lying US president who tweets indiscimminate drivel as US government policy ? Who becomes a tool of Russia to win presidency ?

Is it possible for intelligent "right" thinking people to come to a similar conclusion. Really hope so.
 


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Today's the day that I've been looking very much forward to all year long. It's one that we have heard and we speak about and we dream about and now as the President of the United States, it's my tremendous honor to finally wish America and the world a very Merry Christmas.

I want to thank everyone who has come together here right in front of the White House, that beautiful, beautiful White House, and everyone watching from home to see the lighting of this incredible national Christmas tree.

For nearly a century, through good times and bad, every president has taken part in this wonderful tradition, first started by President Coolidge. But I was informed tonight that the weather we have is the best it's been in 25 years. In fact, I said, ‘Is it always like this?’ And the secretary said, ‘Hasn't been like this for a long time.’ So, we are very lucky.

Finally, in 1870, President Ulysses S. Grant signed legislation making Christmas a Federal holiday. And I sort of feel we are doing that again. That’s what's happening.

From the earliest days of our nations, Americans have known Christmas as a time for prayer and worship, for gratitude and good will, for peace and renewal.

Melania and I are full of joy at the start of this very blessed season. We're thrilled to think of the people across the nation and all across the continent whose spirits are lifted by the miracle of Christmas.

For Christians, this is a Holy season – the celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The Christmas story begins 2000 years ago with a mother, a father, their baby son, and the most extraordinary gift of all, the gift of God's love for all of humanity.

Whatever our beliefs, we know that the birth of Jesus Christ and the story of this incredible life forever changed the course of human history. There’s hardly an aspect of our lives today that his life has not touched: art, music, culture, law, and our respect for the sacred dignity of every person everywhere in the world.

Each and every year at Christmas time we recognize that the real spirit of Christmas is not what we have, it's about who we are – each one of us is a child of God.

That is the true source of joy this time of the year.

That is what makes every Christmas ‘merry.’

And that is what we remember at today's beautiful ceremony, that we are called to serve one another, to love one another, and to pursue peace in our hearts and all throughout the world.

And so tonight, I thank the millions of Americans who light our lives and brighten our wonderful communities. I thank those who are serving the needy during the season and throughout the year. I thank our military men and women who are stationed around the world keeping us safe.

I thank our law enforcement officers who protect our streets and secure our homeland. I thank America's teachers, pastors, and all those religious, and those people that have taught us so much, for their leadership in our communities and our society.

And, especially tonight, I thank America's families. At Christmas, we are reminded more than ever that the family is the bedrock of American life.

And so, this Christmas we ask for God’s blessings for our family, for our nation. And we pray that our country will be a place where every child knows a home filled with love, a community rich with hope, and a nation blessed with faith.

On behalf of Melania, myself, Barron, all of my children, all of my grandchildren — they're here with us tonight — I want to thank you.

God bless you and God bless the United States of America. Thank you very much.

Merry Christmas everybody. Merry Christmas. Happy new year. Thank you.
 
Does one have to be "Leftist" to be concerned about a compulsively lying US president who tweets indiscimminate drivel as US government policy ? Who becomes a tool of Russia to win presidency ?

Is it possible for intelligent "right" thinking people to come to a similar conclusion. Really hope so.
I agree he is a dbag and has done some idiotic stuff.

Just some of the articles that you jump on (here and on other threads)are slanted and leading. Some I would question are bordering on lies. If he is going down then I'd rather truth then fiction to turn the tide against him.
I don't like where news media is heading in either direction. Add to the fact that video will soon be able to be manipulated.

I know there are groups hitting social media, newspaper comments, old school forums as a form of social engineering.

More curious then an accusation.
 


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Today's the day that I've been looking very much forward to all year long. It's one that we have heard and we speak about and we dream about and now as the President of the United States, it's my tremendous honor to finally wish America and the world a very Merry Christmas.

I want to thank everyone who has come together here right in front of the White House, that beautiful, beautiful White House, and everyone watching from home to see the lighting of this incredible national Christmas tree.

For nearly a century, through good times and bad, every president has taken part in this wonderful tradition, first started by President Coolidge. But I was informed tonight that the weather we have is the best it's been in 25 years. In fact, I said, ‘Is it always like this?’ And the secretary said, ‘Hasn't been like this for a long time.’ So, we are very lucky.

Finally, in 1870, President Ulysses S. Grant signed legislation making Christmas a Federal holiday. And I sort of feel we are doing that again. That’s what's happening.

From the earliest days of our nations, Americans have known Christmas as a time for prayer and worship, for gratitude and good will, for peace and renewal.

Melania and I are full of joy at the start of this very blessed season. We're thrilled to think of the people across the nation and all across the continent whose spirits are lifted by the miracle of Christmas.

For Christians, this is a Holy season – the celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The Christmas story begins 2000 years ago with a mother, a father, their baby son, and the most extraordinary gift of all, the gift of God's love for all of humanity.

Whatever our beliefs, we know that the birth of Jesus Christ and the story of this incredible life forever changed the course of human history. There’s hardly an aspect of our lives today that his life has not touched: art, music, culture, law, and our respect for the sacred dignity of every person everywhere in the world.

Each and every year at Christmas time we recognize that the real spirit of Christmas is not what we have, it's about who we are – each one of us is a child of God.

That is the true source of joy this time of the year.

That is what makes every Christmas ‘merry.’

And that is what we remember at today's beautiful ceremony, that we are called to serve one another, to love one another, and to pursue peace in our hearts and all throughout the world.

And so tonight, I thank the millions of Americans who light our lives and brighten our wonderful communities. I thank those who are serving the needy during the season and throughout the year. I thank our military men and women who are stationed around the world keeping us safe.

I thank our law enforcement officers who protect our streets and secure our homeland. I thank America's teachers, pastors, and all those religious, and those people that have taught us so much, for their leadership in our communities and our society.

And, especially tonight, I thank America's families. At Christmas, we are reminded more than ever that the family is the bedrock of American life.

And so, this Christmas we ask for God’s blessings for our family, for our nation. And we pray that our country will be a place where every child knows a home filled with love, a community rich with hope, and a nation blessed with faith.

On behalf of Melania, myself, Barron, all of my children, all of my grandchildren — they're here with us tonight — I want to thank you.

God bless you and God bless the United States of America. Thank you very much.

Merry Christmas everybody. Merry Christmas. Happy new year. Thank you.


Trump wouldn't know what Christian Value is even if he grabs it by the you know what.

This two-bit TV reality actor and failed business tycoon somehow know and represents American/Christian value?
 
Trump wouldn't know what Christian Value is even if he grabs it by the you know what.

This two-bit TV reality actor and failed business tycoon somehow know and represents American/Christian value?

Why "failed" ?

He seems to be doing pretty well financially.
 

Trump would be indicted for these kind of stuff.

He just gave the richest of Americans hundreds of billions in tax cuts, hundreds more billions in military spending; do as he's told and put in place people to gut and neutered any regulation or restriction on business.

You can't ask for a better president if more money and more profit is all you care about.
 
Why "failed" ?

He seems to be doing pretty well financially.

He went bankrupt a few times. The only thing that saved him, over and over, was the US bankruptcy law or corporate structure where a guy like Trump can just take people's money, declare his company's broke and get to keep it. Not paying contractors, workers or the state revenue service etc. etc.

That and his old man left him with $250M.

Some report showed that with $250M invested in the S&P500 would have done better than what Trump's fortune is today. As in, any idiot could just take that money, stash it in the index and go to sleep would do better than Trump. And they don't have to lie and cheat and screw people out of their money either.
 
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