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This is not the first time a US politician has been blatently dishonest, reckless and downright dangerous. Republician Senator Jeff Flake is highlighting the occasion that finally pricked the hate bubble around Senator McCarthy.


Enough - it's time to stand up to Trump
  • Jeff Flake, US Senator
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Washington: As I contemplate the Trump presidency, I cannot help but think of Joseph Welch.

On June 9, 1954, during the Army-McCarthy hearings, Welch, who was the chief counsel for the Army, famously asked the committee chairman if he might speak on a point of personal privilege.

What he said that day was so profound that it has become enshrined as a pivotal moment in defence of American values against those who would lay waste to them. Welch was the son of a small prairie town in northwest Iowa, and the plaintive quality of his flat Midwestern accent is burned into American history. After asking Senator Joseph McCarthy for his attention and telling him to listen with both ears, Welch spoke:

"Until this moment, senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty, or your recklessness."
And then, in words that today echo from his time to ours, Welch delivered the coup de grace: "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"


The moral power of Welch's words ended McCarthy's rampage on American values, and effectively his career as well.


After Welch said his piece, the hearing room erupted in applause, those in attendance seemingly shocked by such bracing moral clarity in the face of a moral vandal. Someone had finally spoken up and said: Enough.

By doing so, Welch reawakened the conscience of the country. The moment was a shock to the system, a powerful dose of cure for an American democracy that was questioning its values during a time of global tumult and threat. We had temporarily forgotten who we were supposed to be.

We face just such a time now. We have again forgotten who we are supposed to be.

There is a sickness in our system - and it is contagious.

How many more disgraceful public feuds with Gold Star families [families who have lost a loved on in defence of the US] can we witness in silence before we ourselves are disgraced?

How many more times will we see moral ambiguity in the face of shocking bigotry and shrug it off?

How many more childish insults do we need to see hurled at a hostile foreign power before we acknowledge the senseless danger of it?

How much more damage to our democracy and to the institutions of American liberty do we need to witness in silence before we count ourselves as complicit in that damage?

Nine months of this administration is enough for us to stop pretending that this is somehow normal, and that we are on the verge of some sort of pivot to governing, to stability. Nine months is more than enough for us to say, loudly and clearly: Enough.

The outcome of this is in our hands. We can no longer remain silent, merely observing this train wreck, passively, as if waiting for someone else to do something. The longer we wait, the greater the damage, the harsher the judgment of history.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/enough--its-time-to-stand-up-to-trump-20171025-gz8cna.html

 
Actually he got into power because of an electoral system that is slanted against the Democrats, because he lost the popular vote.

Pretty much. The Republicans brought Trump on themselves. They have spent the last few decades peddling apocalyptic paranoia to the rubes through outlets like Fox News, while conservative elites read the WSJ. There was no gutter that was too low for them to crawl into (witness allowing the Obama foreign Muslim lie to perpetuate for years) and now they have themselves a President in that mould.
 
Leftist identity politics in play. Do his supporters eat babies as well?
This kind of crap is why Trump got into power.
Exactly so.

Obama, though smoother, more elegant, more eloquent, more media savvy etc etc etc, is no less of a narcissist, no less, of an egotist, full no less hate with constant race baiting and disingenuous mockery... no less if a disgraceful villain than Trump.

In many respects he is more so, more sinister, more dangerous, more toxic to the interests of the common folk than any President I can think of.

The worst thing is that folks like junior and bas have no idea they are being played, pawns in a very ####ing sinister agenda.... mind you I have a very good idea who will be among the first in line for brown shirts if we continue to sleepwalk into the leftist Dystopian vision.
 
Exactly so.

Obama, though smoother, more elegant, more eloquent, more media savvy etc etc etc, is no less of a narcissist, no less, of an egotist, full no less hate with constant race baiting and disingenuous mockery... no less if a disgraceful villain than Trump.

In many respects he is more so, more sinister, more dangerous, more toxic to the interests of the common folk than any President I can think of.

The worst thing is that folks like junior and bas have no idea they are being played, pawns in a very ####ing sinister agenda.... mind you I have a very good idea who will be among the first in line for brown shirts if we continue to sleepwalk into the leftist Dystopian vision.

Nah, I'm good. I have a happy, healthy & fulfilling life.

I don't feel as though I'm 'being played'.

I have freedom and I have choice.

How about yourself? It sounds as though you might be struggling with all these evil Lefties imposing their agenda upon the masses.
 
Nah, I'm good. I have a happy, healthy & fulfilling life.

I don't feel as though I'm 'being played'.

I have freedom and I have choice.

How about yourself? It sounds as though you might be struggling with all these evil Lefties imposing their agenda upon the masses.
I know you don't feel like you are being played, that's the problem. Look a totalitarian regimes, some were by violent revolution, but many were voted in by deceived plebeians

Read Ben Franklin Komrade.
 
Wayne you need to check your meds.

Obama had a few failings (far from perfect like us) drone extrajudicial killings being the big one.

But Trump.......nothing I mean nothing is going to stop the mess he is / going to create.

And the republicans will back him all the way to hell so they can get the supreme court justices they want in that is the big game the rest is just noise.
 
Agree with you, Wayne.

Whether we are talking about Australia or the USA, Junior and Basilio need to look in their own backyard, Melbourne.

The political terrorists that go back and forth destroying our state with no accountability.

This is my view.
 
Agree with you, Wayne.

Whether we are talking about Australia or the USA, Junior and Basilio need to look in their own backyard, Melbourne.

The political terrorists that go back and forth destroying our state with no accountability.

This is my view.
And to what end Tink? What kind of society are they trying transmogrify us into?

Now there is a truly terrifying thought
 
Wayne you need to check your meds.

Obama had a few failings (far from perfect like us) drone extrajudicial killings being the big one.

But Trump.......nothing I mean nothing is going to stop the mess he is / going to create.

And the republicans will back him all the way to hell so they can get the supreme court justices they want in that is the big game the rest is just noise.
Obama was a failure full stop.

Trump at least has the economy optimistic.

Jobs and debt will be interesting to see in the long run.

Personally I think its the end of western rule. China and Russia have been quietly planning for years on ousting the US from top dog position.
 
Agree with you, Wayne.

Whether we are talking about Australia or the USA, Junior and Basilio need to look in their own backyard, Melbourne.

The political terrorists that go back and forth destroying our state with no accountability.

This is my view.

Any tangible examples? Something that actually has an impact on the way we live in Melbourne?

I'd argue that it's at least as great a place to be compared to say, 10 or 20 years ago. Easy to find a job, place to live (although f*cking expensive - a by-product of low IRs), plenty to do and see, great food & coffee culture, perhaps not as safe as it used to be but not so unsafe as to have any impact on daily life.
 
Any tangible examples? Something that actually has an impact on the way we live in Melbourne?

I'd argue that it's at least as great a place to be compared to say, 10 or 20 years ago. Easy to find a job, place to live (although f*cking expensive - a by-product of low IRs), plenty to do and see, great food & coffee culture, perhaps not as safe as it used to be but not so unsafe as to have any impact on daily life.
Agree Vico and Melbourne are amazing as are the people unlike here in WA, tail gating selfish bogans (driving is unbelievable) and what a lovely left wing communist multi cultural city Melbourne is.
 
Obama was a failure full stop.

Trump at least has the economy optimistic.

Jobs and debt will be interesting to see in the long run.

Personally I think its the end of western rule. China and Russia have been quietly planning for years on ousting the US from top dog position.

How is Trump paying for the tax cuts? Trickle down / up to the top 1% economics?

You are right about the end of civilization the extreme divisive evil politics of the alt right / extremist lunatics wanting a trade war with China with Trumps dog whistles will bring on that along with the US civil war II

You guys are moaning the end and you are right but what you are missing is the fact that pay rates, working conditions, civil rights, freedom of speech, freedom to protest, health care etc (I could go on) all the things that bind humanity in the west together were fought for by unions and left wing organisations.

The big money has pretty much wiped out or weakened all those organisations now in the US you now have the top 1% of owning more that 35% of the total wealth...........what?

Top 20% owning 80% .......what?

You know how that's going to be fixed......by giving tax cuts to the top end........you are right the end is nigh and it happening right here in Oz right now.

You really think Trump is going to stick up for people like us the man cannot even make a fu(king condolence phone call.
 
How is Trump paying for the tax cuts? Trickle down / up to the top 1% economics?

You are right about the end of civilization the extreme divisive evil politics of the alt right / extremist lunatics wanting a trade war with China with Trumps dog whistles will bring on that along with the US civil war II

You guys are moaning the end and you are right but what you are missing is the fact that pay rates, working conditions, civil rights, freedom of speech, freedom to protest, health care etc (I could go on) all the things that bind humanity in the west together were fought for by unions and left wing organisations.

The big money has pretty much wiped out or weakened all those organisations now in the US you now have the top 1% of owning more that 35% of the total wealth...........what?

Top 20% owning 80% .......what?

You know how that's going to be fixed......by giving tax cuts to the top end........you are right the end is nigh and it happening right here in Oz right now.

You really think Trump is going to stick up for people like us the man cannot even make a fu(king condolence phone call.
Pretty sure its the lefties throwing the greatest tantrum in history against trump. Have you seen the media, Broadway shows, movies, divorces, campus riots and all the rest. It ain't coming from the right.
You can bluster bs, but trump kick started the economy and manufacturing looks promising.
He is still a block of sht but I'd rather argue with what result he manages to deliver. Rather then how he hurts your SJW feelings.
Unions are rorting members these days. Perhaps in days past when everyone in leadership wasn't a lawyer.
 
Pure garbage.

Do you have any understanding of what a communist society looks like?
If not, all we have to do is hang around a bit.... unless leftist plebeians cone to their senses.
 
You guys are moaning the end and you are right but what you are missing is the fact that pay rates, working conditions, civil rights, freedom of speech, freedom to protest, health care etc (I could go on) all the things that bind humanity in the west together were fought for by unions and left wing organisations.
You are right, the left has done *some* great things which have made society better. All the more of a shame that the left are so intent on dismantling our whole culture, and thusly responsible for the rise of the extreme right.

Its happening now bro.
 
You are right, the left has done *some* great things which have made society better. All the more of a shame that the left are so intent on dismantling our whole culture, and thusly responsible for the rise of the extreme right.

Its happening now bro.
If you fear the extreme right then why not campaign against the extreme right ?

Sounds a lot more productive than dissing the other political positions.
 
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