Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[SirRumpole]

You can DO things, whether those things are good is another matter.

People have criticised his handling of hurricane relief, and a lot of his other actions are up for debate as to whether they are beneficial and to whom.

 

[wayneL]

Are you trying to justify that piece of crap in the Whitehouse?

I still prefer this piece of crap over the other piece of crap.

 

[SirRumpole]

I still prefer this piece of crap over the other piece of crap.

You mean Obama or Clinton ?

 

[wayneL]

You mean Obama or Clinton ?

Clinton.

and I'm still holding to hope that I have on record here, that though the Trump presidency might not be what America might hope for, it might lead on something better than either option currently

 

[satanoperca]

Go WayneL, bring some facts into an emotional agreement about personalities rather than achievements.

At least he is changing the status quo, as the status quo has done jack **** for the dying empire of the USA

 

[moXJO]

I agree with Wayne.
Trump was a needed stepping stone to break the cycle. I still think Hillary would be worse in the long run.

 

[basilio]

Another US Senator will retire from office rather than be seen to continue Republican support for Donald Trump. What does he see wrong with Donald Trumps Presidency ?

GOP Senator Jeff Flake attacks 'reckless, outrageous and undignified' Trump
The Arizona senator joined a list of high-profile Republicans, including Bob Corker, who have opted to retire amid the turmoil of Donald Trump’s presidency

• Jeff Flake’s speech: ‘Anger and resentment are not a governing philosophy’

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Senator Jeff Flake announces he won’t seek re-election – video

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Sabrina Siddiqui in Washington


@SabrinaSiddiqui

Wednesday 25 October 2017 09.01 BST First published on Tuesday 24 October 2017 21.01 BST

Arizona senator Jeff Flake has launched an extraordinary attack against Donald Trump and the “complicity” of the Republican party as he announced his decision to leave the Senate.

Flake, a key Republican critic of Trump, said he was retiring at the end of his term in 2018 because there was no room for him in the party under the current president’s stewardship. He then delivered an emotional appeal from the Senate floor against the state of affairs under Trump, bemoaning that his Republican colleagues had “given in or given up on core principles in favor of a more viscerally satisfying anger and resentment”.

Jeff Flake: conservatives face a crisis. We must now tell and expect the truth
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“It is time for our complicity and our accommodation for the unacceptable to end,” Flake said. “There are times when we must risk our careers in favor of our principles. Now is such a time.


“We must never allow ourselves to lapse into thinking that that is just the way things are now,” he added. “We must stop pretending that the degradation of our politics and the conduct of some in our executive branch are normal.”

“Reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused and countenanced as ‘telling it like it is’ when it is actually just reckless, outrageous, and undignified.”

He said such behavior was “dangerous to our democracy” and projected not strength but a “corruption of the spirit”. He then asked his colleagues: “When the next generation asks us: ‘Why didn’t you do something? Why didn’t you speak up? What are we going to say?’”

Flake joins a list of high-profile Republicans who have jumped ship in recent months amid the turmoil of Trump’s presidency. Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, declared his retirement last month and has since been locked in a bitter feud with Trump that reached new heights on Tuesday.
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“The alliances and agreements that ensure the stability of the entire world are routinely threatened by the level of thought that goes into 140 characters,” Flake said. “Would we Republicans meekly accept such behavior on display from dominant Democrats? Of course we wouldn’t. And we would be wrong if we did.”

“When we remain silent and fail to act ... because of political considerations, because we might make enemies, because we might alienate the base,” he added, “we dishonor our principles and forsake our obligations.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/24/jeff-flake-retire-republican-senate-trump

 

[CanOz]

I still prefer this piece of crap over the other piece of crap.

My beef didn't appear as Trump ad president did....I had my opinion of him for over a decade. At one time I devoured business books faster than I now do children's books. About 15 years ago I read an unauthorized biography on the blond a$$hole. I'll try and find the author and title...but it was long and scathing. In a nutshell he widely know to be a self centered, ignorant, silver spoon fed...
Amateur golfer at best.

 

[basilio]

Conscience of a Conservative.


Jeff Flake: conservatives face a crisis. We must now tell and expect the truth
Donald Trump assuaged the public with happy talk, but once the populist fever abates, truth must fill that void, argues Arizona Republican senator Jeff Flake in an excerpt from his new book

‘It is a testament to just how far we fell in 2016 that to resist the fever and stand up for conservatism seemed a radical act.’
Photograph: Ralph Freso/Getty Images

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Jeff Flake

Monday 7 August 2017 22.14 BST Last modified on Tuesday 8 August 2017 16.51 BST

There is no bigger bogeyman for conservatives than some liberal who wants to interfere in the market to “pick winners and losers”. We have long been critical of the corruptions of the free market advocated by “progressives” and crony capitalists, and we’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of that “winners and losers” line.

Until 2016, that is.

As Emerson said: “An institution is the lengthened shadow of one man.” I will add to that: of no institution is this more true than the American presidency.

Impulsive and lacking a coherent economic analysis, Trump moved beyond the election attempting to demonstrate his vaunted deal-making abilities. He promptly began to commit Hayek’s fatal conceit, but with a twist that not even Hayek himself could have imagined: the new president would not merely demonstrate a preference for specific sectors of the economy, he would meddle in the economy by advocating for – or conversely, by intimidating – specific companies.

To conservatives, this is the essence of crony capitalism. For the conservative, the role of government is to create a conducive tax and regulatory environment and let the free market prosper. But if a president is incoherently intervening wherever he or she sees fit, it can only lead to bad things. Trump would go on to propose the worst kind of uneconomic “deals” with the coal miners who so ardently supported him and believed his promises about the resurgence of an industry long in decline, but their old jobs really weren’t coming back.

Virtually every public utility in the country had already made the market decision to move away from coal. Obama administration environmental regulations had certainly hastened these market changes, but abundant and cleaner natural gas was a larger culprit. One irony was that the most sustainable coal jobs involved coal for export – to trade with China.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/08/conservative-republican-jeff-flake-donald-trump

 

[CanOz]

Ahh.... Here it is....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumped!_(book)

 

[CanOz]

I doeagree with moxjo Wayne and satenopera that change was needed...but why such a f&&$wit?? They could have had ross perot or "insert any other popular libertarian".....

 

[wayneL]

I doeagree with moxjo Wayne and satenopera that change was needed...but why such a f&&$wit?? They could have had ross perot or "insert any other popular libertarian".....

Well, yes indeed

 

[SirRumpole]

I doeagree with moxjo Wayne and satenopera that change was needed...but why such a f&&$wit?? They could have had ross perot or "insert any other popular libertarian".....

They could have had Bernie Sanders too. I think he would have won and would have done a good job.

 

[Logique]

PRESIDENT TRUMP in 9 Months, just in case people say Trump hasn't done anything. Add any I’ve forgotten in comments
1. Supreme Court Judge Neil Gorsuch
2. Iran Nuclear Deal NOT recertified.
3. Trump took us out of TPP
4. ILLEGAL immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)
5. Consumer confidence highest since 2000
6. Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a 7 year high.
7. Arranged 20% Tariff on soft lumber from Canada.
8. Bids for BORDER WALL are well underway & Border wall is being built.
9. Pulled out of the lopsided PARIS ACCORD.
10. KEYSTONE pipeline approved.
11. NATO allies boost spending by 4.3%
12. Allowing VETERAN'S ADMINISTRATION to terminate bad employees.
13. Allowing private healthcare choices for VETERANS.
14. More than 1.8 Million JOBS created
15. Median household income at a 7 year high.
16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever In its history. Up 25% since President Trumps Election (up $5.3 Trillion)
17. China agreed to American import of beef.
18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks.
19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost COAL MINING.
20. MOAB for ISIS
21. TRAVEL BAN reinstated.
22. Executive order for RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
23. Jump started NASA
24. $600 million cut from UN peacekeeping budget.
25. Targeting of MS13 gangs
26. Deporting violent illegal immigrants.
27. Signed 41 bills to date
28. Created a commission on child trafficking
29. Created a commission on VOTER FRAUD
30. Created a commission for OPIOD ADDICTION.
31. Giving power to states to drug test unemployment recipients.
32. Unemployment lowest since may 2007.
33. Pardoned Sheriff Arpaio
34. WOMEN In Entrepreneurship Act
35. Created an office or illegal immigrant crime victims.
36. Reversed Dodd-Frank
37. Repealed DOT ruling which would have taken power away from local governments for infrastructure planning
38. Order to stop crime against LAW ENFORCEMENT
39. End of DAPA program.
40. Stopped companies from moving out of America.
41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs.
42. Encouraged country to once again Buy American and hire American
43. Cutting regulations 2 for every one created.
44. Review of all trade agreements to make sure they are America first.
45. Mandatory Birth Control mandate removed from ObamaCare.
46. Highest manufacturing surge in 3 years.
47. $78 Billion promised reinvestment from major businesses like Exxon, Bayer, Apple, SoftBank, Toyota...
48. Denied FBI a new building.
49. $700 Million saved with F-35 renegotiation.
50. Saves $22 million by reducing white house payroll.
51. President Trump donates his salary (To National Park Service and Dept of Education so far)
52. Dept of treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017
(2nd largest in history)
53. Negotiated the release of 6 US humanitarian workers held captive in egypt.
54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years.
55. Signed An Executive Order To Promote Energy Independence And Economic Growth
56. Has already accomplished more to stop government interference into people's lives than any President in the history of America.
57. President Trump has worked with Congress to pass more legislation in his first 100 days than any President.
58. U.S. Debt has decreased by $103 billion (Obama increased the debt by $974 Billion in his first 6 months)
59. Tough Decisive Decisions on North Korea after Decades of Failure (Clinton gaven them $5 Billion to create Nukes & Obama did nothing to safeguard America)
60. Signed Memo to address China Laws, policies & actions related to innovation, intellectual property & Technology.
61. Signed the VA Choice & Quality Employment Act (8/13/2017)
62. Three (3) Major Hurricanes (Harvey, Irma & Maria) affecting multiple states with great cooperation between Governors, President Trump & FEMA.
63. Consumer Confidence is at a 16 year high & unemployment is at a 17 year low.
64. Called out ALL Hate Groups ( KKK, ANTIFA, White Supremists, BLM) after Charlottesville.
65. Rewriting Environmental Rules - EPA
66. The DOJ to stop funding Sanctuary Cities.
67. Signed Executive Order to allow purchasing Healthcare across state lines .
68. No subsidies to be paid to the Insurance Companies for ObamaCare (ObamaFraud)
69. Winning against NFL kneelers by Demanding respect for the Anthem & American Flag
70. America First Energy Plan - boosting domestic Coal Technology by achieving energy independence from OPEC cartel.
71. 2018 Budget will be approved
72. DOW passes 23,000
73. Continues to prove that the MSM is #Fakenews
74. Tax Reform Initiative will be the biggest tax break in history for the Middle Class
75. #UraniumOne Investigation under way.
President Trump & VP Pence for 2020 Copy & Share!u

Spot on. Trump will go down as a transformative President, possibly yet one of the greats. 'Draining the swamp' and getting things done. Of course the Washington establishment are up in arms, they're being shown up!

 

[Junior]

I despise Trump, he is an ugly, ugly person inside and out. Huge ego and a narcissist. The man is an absolute disgrace and I cannot wait for him to be ousted. He has fuelled a new wave of hate and bigotry in the US and has divided the population, any claim of what he has 'achieved' needs to be properly fact-checked, as you can't believe anything the guy says. He uses Twitter to taunt and criticise others.....he has the top job on the planet and he uses social media to bully people. ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?? How anyone can defend that as being in any way acceptable is beyond me.

 

[basilio]

I despise Trump, he is an ugly, ugly person inside and out. Huge ego and a narcissist. The man is an absolute disgrace and I cannot wait for him to be ousted. He has fuelled a new wave of hate and bigotry in the US and has divided the population, any claim of what he has 'achieved' needs to be properly fact-checked, as you can't believe anything the guy says.

He uses Twitter to taunt and criticise others.....he has the top job on the planet and he uses social media to bully people. ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?? How anyone can defend that as being in any way acceptable is beyond me.

He can be defended. He is being defended. He will be defended.

On ASF we have a significant number of people who, despite whatever he has done, believe he is better than President Obama or Hilary Clinton.

There are millions of white supremicists in the US who see him as a 21st Century hero.

There are millions of Muslim haters who applaud his anti Muslim rhetoric and legislation.

So perhaps the question to pose is your final comment

 

[moXJO]

They could have had Bernie Sanders too. I think he would have won and would have done a good job.

Bernie sold out soon after he lost. In the end he was nothing but talk and would have continued the BS of the US establishment.
Yes trump is a piece of crap. But he will transform politics.

Identity politics of the left is what brought the hatred in America.

 

[moXJO]

He can be defended. He is being defended. He will be defended.

On ASF we have a significant number of people who, despite whatever he has done, believe he is better than President Obama or Hilary Clinton.

There are millions of white supremicists in the US who see him as a 21st Century hero.

There are millions of Muslim haters who applaud his anti Muslim rhetoric and legislation.

So perhaps the question to pose is your final comment

Leftist identity politics in play. Do his supporters eat babies as well?
This kind of crap is why Trump got into power.

 

[SirRumpole]

Leftist identity politics in play. Do his supporters eat babies as well?
This kind of crap is why Trump got into power.

Actually he got into power because of an electoral system that is slanted against the Democrats, because he lost the popular vote.

 

[moXJO]

Actually he got into power because of an electoral system that is slanted against the Democrats, because he lost the popular vote.

Umm no.
Its so all states get a say.