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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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This is the call to arms of Trump supporters.
He is now making public statements about refusing to accept a loss in the US election.
Obviously the Democrats condemn the statement but there are also some Republicians saying it is fundamentally undemocratic.
It remains to be seen how other Trump supporters respond.

Republican Senator and former presidential candidate Mitt Romney tweeted a thinly veiled condemnation Mr Trump's comments without naming the President.

"Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus," he said.
"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
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Prominent Republican Bill Kristol, who served as chief of staff to vice-president Dan Quayle during the first Bush administration, said this was "a dangerous moment".

"It is clear that Donald J. Trump has no interest in seeking to 'faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States'," he tweeted. It is clear that he has no commitment to acting to 'preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States'."

'You are not a dictator': Trump refuses to commit to peaceful transfer of power after election

Politicians and pundits from both sides of the political aisle condemn Donald Trump's refusal to commit to a peaceful transition if Joe Biden wins the election.
www.abc.net.au
 
The following is copied from the comments of an interview between Steven Colbert and Lt Gen H.R. MacMaster at the Launch of his book;

"British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read March 8, 2019 ~ Michael Stevenson Someone on Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that: • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are. • You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumps of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created? If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set".

(my bolds)
I'm not knowning familar with Nate White... not until today anyway.
 
Trump Refuses To Accept Outcome Of The Bachelor Finale


US President Donald Trump has reacted strongly to last night’s finale of The Bachelor, insisting that the outcome was rigged. In the final episode, Locky Gilbert chose Irena Srbinovska over runner-up Bella Valeris.

Trump tweeted that the outcome of The Bachelor was “not the will of the people”, claiming that the result was a “conspiracy engineered by the US Postal Service, Democratic Party presidential candidate Joe Biden and Channel Ten.”

In scenes all too familiar to Americans in 2020, protesters supporting the two Bachelor contestants clashed on the streets of major cities after Trump’s tweet. Supporters of Irena believe she won fairly, however supporters of Bella were sympathetic to Trump’s view and believe the result was rigged.

The US President has declared that he plans to take the matter to the US Supreme Court in the coming days. Legal experts believe the matter may take many months to resolve.

Following the death of US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, there are eight justices on the Supreme Court. Most observers believe that four justices would support Irena, and four would support Bella, making Ginsberg’s replacement vitally important to the case’s outcome.

Trump Refuses To Accept Outcome Of The Bachelor Finale — The Shovel

"It's a conspiracy engineered by the US Postal Service, Joe Biden and Channel Ten
www.theshovel.com.au
 
That's the closest to a factual article you have posted in a while bas.
 
I think long term the Republican / Trump grab at power at all costs and damn all president will cost them dearly if the Democrats decide the same.

At some point the Democrats will have the senate and presidency then it will get interesting.
 
I did see Trumps "speech" to the UN. One could hear collective mike drops around the world.

Trump's UN speech was a bizarre feat of gaslighting and fantasy
Michael H Fuchs


It only made sense if you see the world as Trump does – a world where he can do no wrong, and completely divorced from facts

Seventy-five years after its founding, the United Nations is facing an unprecedented challenge in helping countries respond to a devastating pandemic. And Donald Trump – the leader of the world’s most powerful country, which helped establish the UN – is sabotaging efforts to collectively tackle the pandemic and other threats that the UN was created to solve.

This year, the pandemic forced the UN to conduct diplomacy virtually. World leaders had to pre-record their speeches for the 75th general assembly, highlighting in stark fashion the grave challenges that all countries face today from Covid-19, as well as the tall task the UN has in marshaling an effective global coordination effort.


Trump’s pre-recorded speech was fitting for a president who has decimated US credibility like few of his predecessors: speaking into the void, Trump spun a fantastical tale of a world in which the United States is leading the charge against all manner of evil, from the pandemic to China to Iran. Like much of Trump’s rants on Twitter or on stage, his speech to the UN only made sense if you see the world as Trump does – a world where he can do no wrong, and completely divorced from the facts.

The facts, unfortunately, show a president who has exacerbated multiple crises roiling his own country, and who has made the world a more dangerous place.

Trump's UN speech was a bizarre feat of gaslighting and fantasy | Michael H Fuchs

It only made sense if you see the world as Trump does – a world where he can do no wrong, and completely divorced from facts
www.theguardian.com
 
Undoubtedly Trump is the best President the USA has ever had. So good that the voters will endorse him for another 4 years!
 
PZ99 said:
“Trump taxes show chronic losses and years of tax avoidance"

Well no one is going to faint with amazement at that are they ?
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300 million losses, owes IRS 80 million due to tax avoidance.
He really is more a reality show host than a businessman.
 
Curious in what people at ASF would deem the required traits of a USA president.
  1. Honesty
  2. Integrity
  3. Ability to lead and work in a team
I believe all Americans would expect these personality traits, but it seem 40-50% do not, what does that say about the integrity of the population of Americans.

Don
1. Dishonest, lies through his teeth
2. Integrity is something earnt not told, failed again. Tax returns are just one of many, grabbing arses might be another
3. We he can do that as long as the team is handpicked by the good man himself, so again failed.
 
He needs to repay a couple hundred million dollars in debt in the next few years. Interesting to see how he gets out of it.

As for the tax thing, all these rich buggers offshore their profits. I'm sure he paid more tax in India then he did in the US.
 
The bigger picture of Don's financial position and tax returns is very troubling.
Apart from the "$80m" he owes the IRS he is personally liable for $421m of loans which are coming due in the next few years.
His businesses lose money hand over fist.
He uses his daughter Ivanka as a tax dodge
He makes money for his failing businesses through his Presidency.

“Since he became a leading presidential candidate, he has received large amounts of money from lobbyists, politicians and foreign officials who pay to stay at his properties or join his clubs,” the newspaper reported, before detailing monies paid at his Mar-a-Largo resort in Florida, his Washington hotel and other locations.

So what are the conflict of interest provisions when a President is dealing with Bank/organisation that has hundreds of millions of dollars in outstanding loans to him ?

Six key findings from the New York Times' Trump taxes bombshell
The president pays little, faces hefty audit costs as well as loans coming due soon, and Ivanka is not in the clear

Six key findings from the New York Times' Trump taxes bombshell

The president pays little, faces hefty audit costs as well as loans coming due soon, and Ivanka is not in the clear
www.theguardian.com

New York Times publishes details of Donald Trump's tax returns

Paper details $750 federal income tax payments in 2016, 2017 and says information ‘does not reveal unreported Russia connections’
www.theguardian.com
 
Move the US in the right direction. Which he was once you cancel out the background noise.

Immigration from Mexico needed to be regulated. He attempted that at least.

Put US workers first.

Made UN partners pay a minimum for defence so they didn't just rely on US.

Stopped endless hot wars.

Attempting to pull manufacturers away from China. And calling out China in general.

Involvement in a Middle East coalition/peace to stick it up Iran.

A lot of other progress made as well.

I don't care who does it. But I know there was no chance mainstream politicians were even going to try. They are to worried about backlash.
We have a guy that cops criticism and gets on with it anyway. No other politician could survive what he has without turning into jelly. He pushes ahead with conviction and some hugely unpopular world moves the rest were to scared to make.

Unfortunately he is what he is. But I'd say this is a once in a lifetime President. Good or bad he has made some very bold moves that were needed.
 

Thanks for the reply, so what you are saying it is okay to lie, deceive, manipulate and never tell the truth, as long as it is perceived you are doing the right thing for the people of the USA.

Some further discussion of these points might be helpful:
  1. Move the US in the right direction. - which direction is that, seems to have clocked up some nice debt trying to do something.
  2. Put US workers first. - this is just spin by him
  3. Stopped endless hot wars, more spin, but not qualified enough to make a call.
  4. Attempting to pull manufacturers away from China. And calling out China in general. This one I agree with, going to get interesting, if it doesn't lead to WWW3
  5. Involvement in a Middle East coalition/peace to stick it up Iran., Really Iran are the bad ones, how about the Saudi.
 
Disagree with the majority of your replies. Opinion isn't fact. Unions in many areas are backing trump. Despite the divisiveness.

Yes Iran government is the bad ones. Human rights abuse is worse then most

Sorry but getting US out of wars isn't spin.

I'd say you are not really objective in what his government has achieved.

If you are saying Biden offers an honest and truthful candidate I'd say you have drunk the coolaid. Guy stole his wife, lied, cheated and has been a lying corrupt scumbag for years. Unfortunately he wants back to status quo. Policies of yesteryear.
And is also China aligned.

So its shtbag vs shtbag. So yes I stand by the above. I know enough on the ground to be comfortable with the statement.
 
So a man that every second word is a lie, talks about cleaning the swamp, but he is standing in the middle, pays no tax, because he is somehow above that.

Make America great is really working out well for everyone except the USA.
 
satanoperca said:
So a man that every second word is a lie, talks about cleaning the swamp, but he is standing in the middle, pays no tax, because he is somehow above that.

Make America great is really working out well for everyone except the USA.
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Have you looked at policy or sprouting more opinion?
Because it looks like opinion. Which is fine. But I'm not interested in countering something that's internally entrenched. You have every right to dislike who you want to dislike. Im not here to defend trump, or anyone else's record. I dislike 99% of politicians.

If someone is really interested in the topic you look at all sides.

As far as tax goes most large companies or rich individuals don't pay tax. Remember kerry Packer?
 
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