Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[basilio]

NOBODY CARES.

This is not your personal "This is why you should/shouldn't vote for trump" thread.

I'm not sure what you are saying or who you are speaking to here over9k.
The issue of how Trump speaks about soldiers who served and died for their country is just damming.

No leader from Russia, Germany, Australia, UK , Timbuku wherever would hold office if he said the millions of people who died in wars defending their country were "suckers and losers" .

Can you imagine the outrage that would rightfully happen in Australia if any PM had made such a comment? Could you see Putin surviving such a revelation?

 

[over9k]

I'm not sure what you are saying or who you are speaking to here over9k.
The issue of how Trump speaks about soldiers who served and died for their country is just damming.

No leader from Russia, Germany, Australia, UK , Timbuku wherever would hold office if he said the millions of people who died in wars defending their country were "suckers and losers" .

Can you imagine the outrage that would rightfully happen in Australia if any PM had made such a comment? Could you see Putin surviving such a revelation?

Certainly can. How is this relevant to the thread? Is it a policy announcement? Is it an executive order? Is it a proposed legislation change? Is it an analysis of the markets?

No?

Then it isn't relevant.

 

[basilio]

Certainly can. How is this relevant to the thread? Is it a policy announcement? Is it an executive order? Is it a proposed legislation change? Is it an analysis of the markets?

No?

Then it isn't relevant.

I think your complaining in the wrong thread over9K.

This is the General Thread chat section. It covers anything member's want to discuss that is outside the direct stock/investment discussions which are best covered in the remainder of the forum.

So it is quite relevant and nobody is compelled to read or contribute to any thread. If this is not want you want to read there are 10,000+ alternative options

Cheers

 

[over9k]

So in answer to the question "where can/is donald trump taking us" your response is "he said bad things about war dead he is therefore bad".

That's not telling us "where we're being taken", it's just screeching ORANGE MAN BAD.

 

[bellenuit]

You literally had to scroll past 4 documents to get to the replies.
Helicopter wont fly in weather where visibility is reduced with a potus on board.
You can't just drive cross country especially in a foreign country without huge forward security planning.

Yes, aren't the replies beauties. Sanders (who blatantly lied daily when she was press secretary) and other staff. His wife Melanie. Take this one....

He was incredible eager? You said he could not go by car because of the difficult arrangements it would entail. But this was Europe in November and it would be quite likely that those weather conditions that you say grounded his helicopter are frequent events at that time of year. So even though he was incredibly eager to go there, he didn't make any contingent arrangements to get there by other means, when there was a high possibility that getting there by helicopter was likely impossible.

 

[bellenuit]

If you have a spare hour and a half.
Every one of them. All 900.


You’d Almost think Trump has Judas Goats in the Biden Camp they’re in such disarray.

But they are all alive, uninjured and have not ever been captured. It's the latter Trump sees as suckers and losers.

 

[spooly74]

But they are all alive, uninjured and have not ever been captured. It's the latter Trump sees as suckers and losers.

Yeah, sure.
That makes total sense

I hope the Dems get voted out of existence.
They deserve nothing less.

 

[bellenuit]

From Fox News - the drive was just 40 miles. Hardly too difficult for someone who was eager to go there.

 

[dutchie]

Trump delivers again.



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[moXJO]

Yes, aren't the replies beauties. Sanders (who blatantly lied daily when she was press secretary) and other staff. His wife Melanie. Take this one....

View attachment 108713

He was incredible eager? You said he could not go by car because of the difficult arrangements it would entail. But this was Europe in November and it would be quite likely that those weather conditions that you say grounded his helicopter are frequent events at that time of year. So even though he was incredibly eager to go there, he didn't make any contingent arrangements to get there by other means, when there was a high possibility that getting there by helicopter was likely impossible.

I linked the docs, you linked speculation.
I'm seeing the same kind of rubbish that's been tried a million times before.

Even John bolton said it did not happen or he would have devoted a whole chapter of his book.

 

[moXJO]

Yes, aren't the replies beauties. Sanders (who blatantly lied daily when she was press secretary) and other staff. His wife Melanie. Take this one....

View attachment 108713

He was incredible eager? You said he could not go by car because of the difficult arrangements it would entail. But this was Europe in November and it would be quite likely that those weather conditions that you say grounded his helicopter are frequent events at that time of year. So even though he was incredibly eager to go there, he didn't make any contingent arrangements to get there by other means, when there was a high possibility that getting there by helicopter was likely impossible.

You don't just drive around with the potus.
I'm sure twitter is a legit source for security arrangements though.

 

[SirRumpole]

You don't just drive around with the potus.
I'm sure twitter is a legit source for security arrangements though.

Well that's the problem with making a lot of stupid statements that can be verified, it leaves you open for all sorts of stuff , verifiable or not, based on "a pattern of behaviour".

 

[sptrawler]

I'm not sure what you are saying or who you are speaking to here over9k.
The issue of how Trump speaks about soldiers who served and died for their country is just damming.

No leader from Russia, Germany, Australia, UK , Timbuku wherever would hold office if he said the millions of people who died in wars defending their country were "suckers and losers" .

Can you imagine the outrage that would rightfully happen in Australia if any PM had made such a comment? Could you see Putin surviving such a revelation?

Would that be outrage by those citizens, who spat and swore at diggers returning from Vietnam? Yesterdays left wing.

 

[moXJO]

Well that's the problem with making a lot of stupid statements that can be verified, it leaves you open for all sorts of stuff , verifiable or not, based on "a pattern of behaviour".

Like Russian collusion, Obama not spying on trump, brett kavanaugh, pee-pee dossier and the list just doesn't stop.

Oh and the media? well here's the first 47 bs stories about Trump because that's all that would fit:

1. Aug. 2016-Nov. 2016:

The New York Post published modeling photos of Trump's wife Melania and reported they were taken in 1995. Various news outlets relied on that date to imply that Melania, an immigrant, had violated her visa status. But the media got the date wrong. Politico was among the news agencies that later issued a photo date correction.



2. Oct. 1, 2016:

The New York Times and other media widely suggested or implied that Trump had not paid income taxes for 18 years. Later, tax return pages leaked to MSNBC ultimately showed that Trump actually paid a higher rate than Democrats Bernie Sanders and President Obama.



3. Oct. 18, 2016:

In a Washington Post piece not labelled opinion or analysis, Stuart Rothenberg reported that Trump's path to an electoral college victory was "nonexistent."



4. Nov. 4, 2016:

USA Today misstated Melania Trump's "arrival date from Slovenia" amid a flurry of reporting that questioned her immigration status from the mid-1990s.





5. Nov. 9, 2016:

Early on election night, the Detroit Free Press called the state of Michigan for Hillary Clinton. Trump actually won Michigan.



Nancy Sinatra via Twitter6. Jan. 20, 2017:

CNN claimed Nancy Sinatra was "not happy" at her father's song being used at Trump's inauguration. Sinatra responded, "That's not true. I never said that. Why do you lie, CNN? Actually I'm wishing him the best."



7. Jan. 20, 2017:

Zeke Miller of TIME reported that President Trump had removed the bust statue of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. from the Oval Office. The news went viral. It was false.





8. Jan. 26, 2017:

Josh Rogin of the Washington Post reported that the State Department's "entire senior administrative team" had resigned in protest of Trump. A number of media outlets ranging from politically left to right, including liberal-leaning Vox, stated that claim was misleading or wrong.



9. Jan. 28, 2017

CNBC's John Harwood reported the Justice Department "had no input" on Trump's immigration executive order. After a colleague contradicted Harwood's report, he amended it to reflect that Justice Department lawyers reportedly had reviewed Trump's order.



10. Jan. 31, 2017:

CNN's Jeff Zeleny reported the White House set up Twitter accounts for two judges to try to keep Trump's selection for Supreme Court secret. Zeleny later corrected his report to state that the Twitter accounts had not been set up by the White House.



11. Feb. 2, 2017:

TMZ reported Trump changed the name of "Black History Month" to "African American History Month," implying the change was untoward or racist. In fact, Presidents Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton had all previously called Black History Month "African American History" month.



12. Feb. 2, 2017:

AP reported that Trump had threatened the president of Mexico with invasion to get rid of "bad hombres." Numerous publications followed suit. The White House said it wasn't true and the Washington Post removed the AP info that 'could not be independently confirmed."



13. Feb. 4, 2017:

Josh Rogin of the Washington Post reported on "Inside the White House-Cabinet Battle Over Trump's Immigration Order,"only to have the article updated repeatedly to note that one of the reported meetings had not actually occurred, that a conference call had not happened as described, and that actions attributed to Trump were actually taken by his chief of staff.


14. Feb. 14, 2017:

The New York Times' Michael S. Schmidt, Mark Mazzetti and Matt Apuzzo reported about supposed contacts between Trump campaign staff and "senior Russian intelligence officials.: Comey later testified "In the main, [the article] was not true."



15. Feb. 22, 2017:

ProPublica's Raymond Bonner reported CIA official Gina Haspel, Trump's later pick for CIA Director, was in charge of a secret CIA prison where Islamic extremist terrorist Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in one month, and that she mocked the prisoner's suffering. More than a year later, ProPublica retracted the claim, stating that "Neither of these assertions is correct "Haspel did not take charge of the base until after the interrogation of Zubaydah ended."




16. April 5, 2017:

An article bylined by the New York Times' graphic editors Karen Yourish and Troy Griggs referred to Trump's daughter, Ivanka, as Trump's wife.



17. May 10, 2017:

Multiple outlets including Politico, the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, AP, Reuters and the Wall Street Journal reported the same leaked information: that Trump fired FBI Director James Comey shortly after Comey requested additional resources to investigate Russian interference in the election.



The New York Times' Matthew Rosenberg and Matt Apuzzo, and CNN's Sara Murray reported the information in sentences and paragraphs that omitted attribution, as if it were an established fact. The Washington Post's Philip Rucker, Ashley Parker, Sari Horwitz and Robert Costa wrote news articles in the style of opinion pieces and from an omniscient viewpoint as if they were somehow in the mind of Trump. For example, they reported, "Every time FBI Director James B. Comey appeared in public, an ever-watchful President Trump grew increasingly agitated that the topic was the one that he was most desperate to avoid: Russia." (Other reporters, Reuters, Dustin Volz and Susan Cornwell, did properly attribute the claim.)



The Justice Department, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe said the media reports were untrue and McCabe added that the FBI?s Russia investigation was "adequately resourced."



18. May 27, 2017:

The BBC's James Landale, The Guardian and others reported that Trump wasn't bothering to listen to the translation during a speech in Italian by Italy's Prime Minister. They drew that conclusion without asking the White House and based on a video that showed other political leaders wearing large headphones. The Guardian even claimed Trump was fake listening (smiling and nodding). After the reports circulated, the White House stated that, as always, Trump was indeed wearing an earpiece in his right ear.



19. June 4, 2017:

NBC News reported in a Tweet that Russian President Vladimir Putin told TV host Megyn Kelly that he had compromising information about Trump. Actually, Putin said the opposite: that he did not have compromising information on Trump.



20. June 6, 2017:

CNN's Gloria Borger, Eric Lichtblau, Jake Tapper and Brian Rokus; and ABC's Justin Fishel and Jonathan Karl reported that Comey was going to refute Donald Trump's claim that Comey told Trump three times he was not under investigation. Instead, Comey did the opposite and confirmed Trump's claim.



21. June 7, 2017:

In a fact-check story, AP reported erroneously that Trump misread the potential cost to a family with insurance under the Affordable Care Act who wanted care from their existing doctor.





22. June 8, 2017:

The New York Times' Jonathan Weisman reported that Comey testified Trump Attorney General Jeff Sessions told Comey not to call the Russia probe "an investigation" but "a matter." Weisman was mistaken about the attorney general and the probe. Actually, it was Obama Attorney General Loretta Lynch (not Sessions) who told Comey to refer to the Hillary Clinton classified email probe (not the Russia probe) as "a matter" instead of "an investigation."



23. June 22, 2017:

CNN's Thomas Frank reported that Congress was investigating a

"Russian investment fund with ties to Trump officials." The report was later retracted. Frank and two other CNN employees resigned in the fallout.



24. December 2, 2017:

ABC News' Brian Ross reported that former Trump official Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn was going to testify that candidate Trump had directed him to contact "the Russians." Even though such contact would not be in of itself a violation of law, the news was treated as an explosive indictment of Trump in the Russia collusion narrative, and the stock market fell on the news. ABC later corrected the report to reflect that Trump had already been elected when he reportedly asked Flynn to contact the Russians about working together to fight ISIS and other issues. Ross was suspended.



25. July 6, 2017:

Newsweek's Chris Riotta and others reported that Poland's First Lady had refused to shake Trump's hand. Newsweek's later "update" reflected that the First Lady had shaken Trump's hand after all, as clearly seen on the full video.



26. July 6, 2017:

The New York Times' Maggie Haberman, CNN and numerous outlets had long reported, as if fact, the Hillary Clinton claim that a total of 17 American intelligence agencies concluded that Russia orchestrated election year attacks to help get Trump elected. Only three or four agencies, not 17, had officially done so.



27. Aug. 31, 2017:

NBC News' Ken Dilanian and Carol Lee reported that a Trump official's notes about a meeting with a Russian lawyer included the word "donation," as if there were discussions about suspicious campaign contributions. NBC later corrected the report to reflect that the word "donation" didn't appear, but still claimed the word "donor" did. Later, Politico reported that the word "donor" wasn't in the notes, either.







28. Sept. 5, 2017:

CNN's Chris Cillizza and other news outlets declared Trump "lied" when he stated that Trump Tower had been wiretapped, although there's no way any reporter independently knew the truth of the matter, only that what intel officials claimed. It later turned out there were numerous wiretaps involving Trump Tower, including a meeting of Trump officials with a foreign dignitary. At least two Trump associates who had offices in or frequented Trump Tower were also reportedly wiretapped.



29. Sept. 7, 2017:

The New York Times' Maggie Haberman reported Democrat leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi called President Trump about an immigration issue. Trump actually made the call to Pelosi.



30. Nov. 6, 2017:

CNN's Daniel Shane edited excerpts from a Trump event to make it seem as though Trump didn't realize Japan builds cars in the U.S. However, Trump's entire statement made clear that he does.



31. Nov. 6, 2017:

CNN edited a video that made it appear as though Trump impatiently dumped a box of fish food into the water while feeding fish at Japan's palace. The New York Daily News, the Guardian and others wrote stories implying Trump was gauche and impetuous. The full video showed that Trump had simply followed the lead of Japan's Prime Minister.



32. Nov. 29, 2017:

Newsweek's Chris Riotta claimed Ivanka Trump "plagiarized" one of her own speeches. In fact, plagiarizing one's own work is impossible since plagiarism is when a writer steals someone else's work and passes it off as his own.



33. Dec. 4, 2017:

The New York Times' Michael S. Schmidt and Sharon LaFraniere and other outlets reported that Trump Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland supposedly contradicted herself or lied about another official's contacts with Russians. The story was heavily, repeatedly amended. CNN, MSNBC, CBS News, New York Daily News and Daily Beast picked up the story about McFarland's "lies."


34. Dec. 4, 2017:

ABC News' Trish Turner and Jack Date reported that former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had recently worked with a Russia intelligence-connected "official." But the Russian wasn't an "official."



35. Dec. 5, 2017:

Bloomberg's Steven Arons and the Wall Street Journal's Jenny Strasburg reported the blockbuster that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had subpoenaed Trump's bank records. It wasn't true.





36. Dec. 8, 2017:

CNN's Manu Raju and Jeremy Herb reported that Donald Trump Jr. conspired with WikiLeaks in advance of the publication of damaging Democrat party and Clinton campaign emails. Many other publications followed suit. They had the date wrong: WikiLeaks and Trump Junior were in contact after the emails were published.

37. Jan. 3, 2018:

Talking Point Memo's Sam Thielman reported that a Russian social media company provided documents to the Senate about communications with a Trump official. The story was later corrected to say the reporter actually had no idea how the Senate received the documents and had no evidence to suggest the Russian company was cooperating with the probe.

38. Jan. 12, 2018:

Mediaite's Lawrence Bonk, CNN's Sophie Tatum, the Guardian, BBC, US News and World Report, Reuters and Buzzfeed's Adolfo Flores reported a "bombshell," that President Trump had backed down from his famous demand for a wall along the entire Southern border. However, Trump said the very same thing in February 2016 on MSNBC, on Dec. 2, 2015, in the National Journal, in October 2015 during the CNBC Republican Primary debate, and on Aug. 20, 2015, on FOX Business' Mornings with Maria.



39. Jan. 15, 2018:

AP's Laurie Kellman and Jonathan Drew reported that a new report showed trust in the media had fallen during the Trump presidency. But the report that AP cited was actually over a year old and was conducted while Obama was president.



40. Feb. 2, 2018:

AP's Eric Tucker, Mary Clare Jalonick and Chad Day reported that ex-British spy Christopher Steele's opposition research against Trump was initially funded by a conservative publication: the Washington Free Beacon. AP corrected its story because Steele only came on the project after Democrats began funding it.





41. March 8, 2018:

The New York Times' Jan Rosen reported on a hypothetical family whose tax bill would rise nearly $4,000 under Trump's tax plan. It turns out the calculations were off: the couple's taxes would go actually go down $43; not up $4,000.

42. March 13, 2018:

The New York Times' Adam Goldman, NBC's Noreen O'Donnell and AP's Deb Riechmann reported that Trump's pick for CIA Director, Gina Haspel, had waterboarded a particular Islamic extremist terrorist dozens of time at a secret prison; and that she had mocked his suffering. In fact, Haspel wasn't assigned to the prison until after the detainee left. ProPublica originally reported the incorrect details in Feb. 2017.



43. March 15, 2018:

AP's Michael Biesecker, Jake Pearson and Jeff Horwitz reported that a Trump advisory board official had been a Miss America contestant and had killed a black rhino. She actually was a Mrs. America contestant and had shot a nonlethal tranquilizer dart at a white rhino.



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44. April 1, 2018:

AP's Nicholas Riccardi reported that the Trump administration had ended a program to admit foreign entrepreneurs. It wasn't true.

45. April 30, 2018:

AP reported that the NRA had banned guns during Trump and Pence speeches at the NRA's annual meeting. AP later corrected the information because the ban had been put in place by Secret Service.

46. May 3, 2018:

NBC's Tom Winter reported that the government had wiretapped Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen. NBC later corrected the story after three senior U.S. officials said there was no wiretap.





47. May 7, 2018:

CNBC's Kevin Breuninger reported that Trump's personal lawyer, Cohen, paid $1 million in fines related to unauthorized cars in his taxi business, had been barred from managing taxi medallions, had transferred $60 million offshore to avoid paying debts, and is awaiting trial on charges of failing to pay millions in taxes. A later correction stated that none of that was true.

And here's the 143 list from just one source:

https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/09/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/

So whose pattern are we looking at right now?

 

[IFocus]

Ok, OK Trump only ever tells the truth...........how much did he pay that pr0n star again..........sorry pr0n stars.........

 

[sptrawler]

Ok, OK Trump only ever tells the truth...........how much did he pay that pr0n star again..........sorry pr0n stars.........

Let he who has not sinned, throw the first stone.
Being a paragon of virtue, isnt actually part of the job description IMO.
I hope everyone making judgements are hollier than thou, but I guess they arent, otherwise they wouldnt be so judgemental.

 

[SirRumpole]

Being a paragon of virtue, isnt actually part of the job description IMO.

Being honest and truthful is. Don't you think ?

I hope everyone making judgements are hollier than thou, but I guess they arent, otherwise they wouldnt be so judgemental.

None of us are being paid to do his job, so no one has to be "pure", just reasonable and expect standards appropriate for the position of someone who can destroy the world.

 

[sptrawler]

Being honest and truthful is. Don't you think ?



None of us are being paid to do his job, so no one has to be "pure", just reasonable and expect standards appropriate for the position of someone who can destroy the world.

I havent seen truthfullness and honesty being a negative in Australia, seen quite a few politicians thrown in jail, for being dishonest in my time. Maybe Im the only one with a memory, who knows?
Or does honesty, only apply to politicians, a person or the media has an issue with?
Jeez some need to really think about standards and how they apply them, glass houses and bricks come to mind.
Google Australian politicians put in jail, then start throwing the bricks.

 

[moXJO]

Being honest and truthful is. Don't you think ?



None of us are being paid to do his job, so no one has to be "pure", just reasonable and expect standards appropriate for the position of someone who can destroy the world.

He isn't being paid to do his job. He donates it to charity. At the same time I in no way think he isn't making huge sums with being in his position through other avenues.

Every President has made off with huge $

 

[sptrawler]

He isn't being paid to do his job. He donates it to charity. At the same time I in no way think he isn't making huge sums with being in his position through other avenues.

Every President has made off with huge $

Jeez moxjo, dont break their train of thought, he is evil, he is there to strip the U.S bare by restoring manufacturing, he is pandering to big business by reducing their profits, with tarrifs on sweat shops and dumping.
Havent you being reading the media?