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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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wayneL said:
Hey baz, Obama was talking about the likes of you, bro.
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I think you are spot on, there is no doubt who Obama is talking about here.

He urged people to be more compromising and accepting because "the world is messy, there are ambiguities, and people who do really good stuff have flaws."
 
sptrawler said:
He urged people to be more compromising and accepting because "the world is messy, there are ambiguities, and people who do really good stuff have flaws."
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I can hear those sentiments. It is more forgiving, more nuanced and acknowledges there are few living saints.
John McCain for example was a conservative politican I respected and despite a messy private life (at one stage) did much for the US.
 
The damage Trump is doing to US interests.
Impeachment inquiry transcripts reveal shock and concern over Trump plot
  • Yovanovitch and McKinley warned plot undermined national security
Two senior American diplomats warned congressional investigators a White House plot to manufacture political dirt on Joe Biden in Ukraine had undermined US national security interests and shredded faith among foreign service personnel, according to transcripts released on Monday by committees pursuing an impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.


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One of the diplomats, former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, described her “shock” to discover that Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal emissary who has also worked for Ukrainian and Russian interests, was attempting to destroy her reputation.

When she sought advice on how to staunch the attack, she said, she was told to tweet something nice about Trump.

The second diplomat, P Michael McKinley, described how his dawning awareness of the White House plot to attack Biden, combined with the failure of the state department to support Yovanovitch, led him to resign.

“To see the emerging information on the engagement of our missions to procure negative political information for domestic purposes,” McKinley testified, “combined with the failure I saw in the building to provide support for our professional cadre in a particularly trying time, I think the combination was a pretty good reason to decide … I had no longer a useful role to play.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ipts-reveal-shock-and-concern-over-trump-plot
 
Now even Trump appointees are revising their testimony on the "quid pro quo"
Sondland admits quid pro quo with Ukraine testimony
The explosive revelations in the extra four pages of testimony from Gordon Sondland are detailed in this story from the New York Times.

Crucially, Sondland said that “resumption of the US aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anticorruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks”.

The Times writes of these new facts thus:

A critical witness in the impeachment inquiry offered Congress substantial new testimony this week, revealing that he told a top Ukrainian official that the country likely would not receive American military aid unless it publicly committed to investigations President Trump wanted.

The disclosure from Gordon D. Sondland, the United States ambassador to the European Union, in four new pages of sworn testimony released on Tuesday, confirmed his involvement in essentially laying out a quid pro quo to Ukraine that he had previously not acknowledged.

[...] In his updated testimony, Mr. Sondland recounted how he had discussed the linkage with Andriy Yermak, a top adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, on the sidelines of a Sept. 1 meeting between Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Zelensky in Warsaw. Mr. Zelensky had discussed the suspension of aid with Mr. Pence, Mr. Sondland said: “I said that resumption of the U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anticorruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks,” Mr. Sondland said in the document, which was released by the House committees leading the inquiry, along with the transcript of his original testimony from last month.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...08c2d1f80da406#b-5dc1c5f48f08c2d1f80da406
 
This is what happens when you want to create your own reality...


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump Nov 3

If Shifty Adam Schiff, who is a corrupt politician who fraudulently made up what I said on the “call,” is allowed to release transcripts of the Never Trumpers & others that are & were interviewed, he will change the words that were said to suit the Dems purposes. Republicans...

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump


....should give their own transcripts of the interviews to contrast with Schiff’s manipulated propaganda. House Republicans must have nothing to do with Shifty’s rendition of those interviews. He is a proven liar, leaker & freak who is really the one who should be impeached!

4:48 PM - 3 Nov 2019
 
Where Donald Trump is taking the US.

Teri Kanefield Trump and Giuliani's impeachment defense pushes America closer to a 'mafia state'
Trump and Giuliani are operating as if Trump is — or owns — the United States.

Donald Trump walks with Rudolph Giuliani through the new Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC, on Sept. 16, 2016.Mike Segar / Reuters file
Nov. 5, 2019, 8:28 PM AEDT
By Teri Kanefield, attorney and author
Neither President Donald Trump nor his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani deny the underlying facts of the allegations at the heart of the impeachment inquiry. This seems like a relatively crazy thing to do, given that Democrats are out for blood — but they really have no choice given how much is already public. So instead of denying the facts, Trump’s defense appears to be: Yes, we did it, but there was nothing wrong with it.

Instead of denying the facts, Trump’s defense appears to be: Yes, we did it, but there was nothing wrong with it.

The “there was nothing wrong with it” defense does triple duty: It gives Trump’s surrogates something to argue, it muddies the water and confuses people with its sheer audacity, and — most important — it pushes the United States one step closer to becoming what the Hungarian scholar Bálint Magyar calls a “mafia state” to describe the kind of autocracies we see springing up in the former Soviet Union.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...pushes-america-closer-mafia-state-ncna1076261
 
A new low ...

Trumps new main advisor ...

I kid you not .... she speaks in tongues.


Bennie Hinds ex girlfriend ... you know that screeching pastor on TV ...

Trumps number one girl. Ivanka is OUT !!
 
 
The Billionaire wealth tax is clever.
Applicable to 75,000 of the wealthiest people in the US.
Would be 6% of the their gross assets. If your worth $100b you pay $6 billion
Example

Charles Koch would pay $2.551 billion next year under Elizabeth’s wealth tax.
Charles Koch has a net worth of $43,200,000,000.

Don’t worry too much about Charles Koch - if history is any guide, if billionaires do nothing other than invest their wealth in the stock market, it’s likely that their wealth will continue to grow.

Elizabeth’s wealth tax, which only impacts America’s 75,000 wealthiest families, would generate enough revenue to cover universal child care, quality public education, forgive student loan debt, provide free public college, and help finance Medicare for All.
 
And probably cause a flight of capital. Jeez it's just not worth being a billionaire anymore.

But billionaires needn't worry, I've probably got more chance of being elected than the race appropriating Fauxcahontas
 
wayneL said:
And probably cause a flight of capital. Jeez it's just not worth being a billionaire anymore.

But billionaires needn't worry, I've probably got more chance of being elected than the race appropriating Fauxcahontas
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They could all go to Russia or Brazil I suppose.
Elizabeth Warren no chance ? Don't bet on it.
If people look at the rebalancing of tax liabilities between the obscenely rich and the rest of the population there could be some serious thought.
Lets not forget that Trump signed in a Trillion dollar tax cut directed to the mega rich only last year. No squeals then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
 
Stories from the Mad House. It will be interesting to see who the official turns out to be.

I suspect we'll find out when someone unexpectedly falls under a bus or out of a plane.

Anonymous tell-all book likens Trump to '12-year-old in air traffic control tower' – report
Book by figure described as administration official says colleagues considered mass resignations to raise alarm, according to Washington Post

The book compares the president to an ‘elderly uncle running pantsless’. Photograph: Brendan Smialowski/AFP via Getty Images
The anonymous author of a widely anticipated book on the Trump White House has described the US president as spiraling from crisis to crisis “like a 12-year-old in an air traffic control tower”, according to scathing extracts published by the Washington Post on Thursday.

The unnamed author, identified only as “a senior official in the Trump administration”, also says that colleagues considered resigning en masse in order to raise alarm about the president’s conduct, but ultimately decided against it, according to the Post.

The extracts obtained by the Post are due to appear in A Warning, a book written by the unnamed person who last year wrote a New York Times column critical of the president. They paint Trump as volatile and incompetent, while also describing how he made racist and misogynistic statements in private.

In the book, the author describes Trump’s approach to the presidency as “like a 12-year-old in an air traffic control tower, pushing the buttons of government indiscriminately, indifferent to the planes skidding across the runway and the flights frantically diverting away from the airport”.

The author also describes how Trump’s impulsive Twitter antics often left senior officials “waking up in the morning ‘in a full-blown panic’”.

“It’s like showing up at the nursing home at daybreak to find your elderly uncle running pantsless across the courtyard and cursing loudly about the cafeteria food, as worried attendants tried to catch him,” the author writes, according to the Post. “You’re stunned, amused, and embarrassed all at the same time. Only your uncle probably wouldn’t do it every single day, his words aren’t broadcast to the public, and he doesn’t have to lead the US government once he puts his pants on.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/07/anonymous-trump-administration-book
 
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kahuna1 said:
A new low ...

Trumps new main advisor ...

I kid you not .... she speaks in tongues.


Bennie Hinds ex girlfriend ... you know that screeching pastor on TV ...

Trumps number one girl. Ivanka is OUT !!
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After watching that, I am so undecided in what to do with my life and family :
Join ISIS
Join the USA

Both are f---kd in the head.

God save the USA as they need some divine intervention. They are just as nutters as the rest of the religious world.

Off to find a desert location to call homee, as isolated as it can be in outback Oz, will come back to the society in 10 years when this is all over.
 

Warren Buffet would probably be happy, I doubt if the Kochs would be.
 
Backbone of democracy huh? The God Emporer should be sending Phauxcahontas a bottle of Dom for this gift. Trump will eat her alive in the debates.

 
wayneL said:
Backbone of democracy huh? The God Emporer should be sending Phauxcahontas a bottle of Dom for this gift. Trump will eat her alive in the debates.

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Her backbone of support maybe.
Trumps charity only served Trump and he was forced yesterday to give the donations to charity so that's ammunition for her.

A Warren vs Trump debate would be a blood sport. I would pay to get tickets.
 
The impeachment inquiry into Donald Trumps abuse of office continues to uncover multiple collaborative witness.

Bolton hints at more Trump-Ukraine meetings – report
A lawyer for John Bolton, former US national security adviser, wrote a letter to lawmakers that there are “many relevant meetings and conversations” related to the administration’s attempts to pressure Ukraine that House impeachment investigators don’t know about, according to the New York Times.

Mulvaney implicated in released transcripts
Tom McCarthy

Acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney approved a White House meeting for the Ukrainian president – if Ukraine announced investigations tied to Joe Biden, a political rival of Donald Trump, according to testimony unveiled on Friday by the congressional committees pursuing an impeachment inquiry.

Key highlights from Hill and Vindman’s transcripts
The House committees released highlights of key passages in the transcripts (which combined are 786 pages long). Here is the top highlight from Fiona Hill, former aide to national security adviser John Bolton:

“I went back to talk to Ambassador Bolton. And Ambassador Bolton asked me to go over and report this to our NSC counsel, to John Eisenberg. And he told me, and this is a direct quote from Ambassador Bolton: You go and tell Eisenberg that I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up on this, and you go and tell him what you’ve heard and what I’ve said. So I went over to talk to John Eisenberg about this. … I told him exactly, you know, what had transpired and that Ambassador Sondland had basically indicated that there was agreement with the chief of staff that they would have a White House meeting or, you know, a Presidential meeting if the Ukrainians started up these investigations again. And the main thing that I was personally concerned about, as I said to John, was that he did this in front of the Ukrainians.”

Find more of Hill’s testimony highlights here.

And here is the top highlight from Lt Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council:

Q: All right. So you did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen. You used the word “demand,” it was not proper to demand. Where in the transcript do you believe that the President made a demand to investigate a U.S. citizen?

A: So, Congressman, the power disparity between the President of the United States and the President of Ukraine is vast, and, you know, in the President asking for something, it became—there was—in return for a White House meeting, because that’s what this was about. This was about getting a White House meeting. It was a demand for him to fulfill his—fulfill this particular prerequisite in order to get the meeting

Find more of Vindman’s testimony highlights here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...08be4a102e5b5e#b-5dc5c46d8f08be4a102e5b5e


 
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