Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[basilio]

The testimony of Ambassador Bill Taylor is a game turner.
He will come back to the congressional investigators and make public statements with emails, memos , a timeline. The lot.

Bill has served 4 administrations as well as a career in the armed services. Meticulous and trusted .

Will loyalists turn against Trump after Bill Taylor’s game-changing testimony?
Diplomat added significant ballast to the allegation Trump was trying to extort Ukraine into ginning up bad news about Biden

• What Bill Taylor’s impeachment inquiry testimony tells us

Tom McCarthy in New York


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Donald Trump listens as Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, speaks to the press during a meeting in New York on the sidelines of the United Nations general assembly on 25 September. Photograph: Saul Loeb/AFP via Getty Images
The impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump has heard some extraordinary testimony over the last month. From the first mention of Trump’s desired “deliverable” from Ukraine, successive layers of witnesses and documents have added to an indictment of the president’s conduct that only gets heavier, as Trump howls his defenses to the wind.

Trump impeachment catch-up: where we are now
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On Tuesday, things got even worse for Trump – much worse, as many saw it.

For almost 10 hours, William Taylor, a former military officer and career diplomat with the rank of ambassador under the last four presidents, spoke with congressional investigators about how the Trump administration has been conducting a two-track foreign policy in Ukraine, where Taylor is in charge of the US embassy.

We don’t yet know most of what was said. The current public record of the closed-door testimony comprises only a copy of Taylor’s 15-page opening statement – and the spectacle of the ashen faces of members of Congress as they filed out from the hearing.

“This testimony is a sea change,” congressman Stephen Lynch told reporters.

 

[basilio]

Details of Bill Taylors testimony

What Bill Taylor’s impeachment inquiry testimony tells us
The Ukraine diplomat said Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy to investigate Biden and gave the most detailed account so far

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...achment-inquiry-bill-taylor-ukraine-testimony

 

[moXJO]

Interesting to see that the investigation into who and why the "Russian collusion" was opened has now turned into a criminal investigation. Wonder if any dems and fbi will be swept up.

 

[bellenuit]

Interesting to see that the investigation into who and why the "Russian collusion" was opened has now turned into a criminal investigation. Wonder if any dems and fbi will be swept up.

Probably a lot, but not justifiably. The corrupt White House and GOP will do everything in its power to try and tarnish the impeachment process, even if it means using trumped up (pun intended) allegations against not just political enemies, but anyone whose reputation it needs to tarnish to make it look like the Russian Collusion was a deep state conspiracy. How many of Trumps associates need to be jailed or charged before it clicks where the corruption is?

 

[bellenuit]

 

[basilio]

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I think there will be some quite confronting information in Muellers report that will implicate more of Trumps administration in the Russian efforts to undermine the Democrats. I suspect there will be security implications as well as legal issues to do with upcoming or proposed charges.

When will "black be seen as black" ? God knows. If we see ASF as some sort of microcosm of the larger political picture, then acknowledgement by the rusted on Trumpites on ASF that what has happened under the Trump administration was wrong and should be punished would be a signal.

Perhaps when hell freezes over ?

 

[Knobby22]

There is a book out and the author is here. I heard him speak on the radio and it he was so funny.
Arnold Palmer etc. Really funny golf stories featuring Trump. The Lee Travino one had me splitting my sides.
Might have to buy the book. Below is copied direct from Amazon.

NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER
"Reilly pokes more holes in Trump's claims than there are sand traps on all of his courses combined. It is by turns amusing and alarming." -- The New Yorker

"Golf is the spine of this shocking, wildly humorous book, but humanity is its flesh and spirit." -- Chicago Sun-Times

"Every one of Trump's most disgusting qualities surfaces in golf." -- The Ringer
An outrageous indictment of Donald Trump's appalling behavior when it comes to golf -- on and off the green -- and what it reveals about his character.

Donald Trump loves golf. He loves to play it, buy it, build it, and operate it. He owns 14 courses around the world and runs another five, all of which he insists are the best on the planet. He also claims he's a 3 handicap, almost never loses, and has won an astonishing 18 club championships.

How much of all that is true? Almost none of it, acclaimed sportswriter Rick Reilly reveals in this unsparing look at Trump in the world of golf.

Based on Reilly's own experiences with Trump as well as interviews with over 100 golf pros, amateurs, developers, and caddies, Commander in Cheat is a startling and at times hilarious indictment of Trump and his golf game. You'll learn how Trump cheats (sometimes with the help of his caddies and Secret Service agents), lies about his scores (the "Trump Bump"), tells whoppers about the rank of his courses and their worth (declaring that every one of them is worth $50 million), and tramples the etiquette of the game (driving on greens doesn't help). Trump doesn't brag so much, though, about the golf contractors he stiffs, the course neighbors he intimidates, or the way his golf decisions wind up infecting his political ones.

For Trump, it's always about winning. To do it, he uses the tricks he picked up from the hustlers at the public course where he learned the game as a college kid, and then polished as one of the most bombastic businessmen of our time. As Reilly writes, "Golf is like bicycle shorts. It reveals a lot about a man." Commander in Cheat "paints a side-splitting portrait of a congenital cheater" (Esquire), revealing all kinds of unsightly truths Trump has been hiding.

 

[moXJO]

Probably a lot, but not justifiably. The corrupt White House and GOP will do everything in its power to try and tarnish the impeachment process, even if it means using trumped up (pun intended) allegations against not just political enemies, but anyone whose reputation it needs to tarnish to make it look like the Russian Collusion was a deep state conspiracy. How many of Trumps associates need to be jailed or charged before it clicks where the corruption is?

I actually think a few dems are up the creek. The collusion case has stunk since it was first pushed. The Kavanaugh hearings also stunk.

There is no impeachment process. Its a bunch of dems in the basement hiding information from the house. I'm sure Crenshaw even pointed out they were breaking the rules according to the house as well.
The other thing in a "quid pro quo" investigation is that you need a quo. The majority is basically "I heard it from a guy" type stuff.

 

[moXJO]

There is a book out and the author is here. I heard him speak on the radio and it he was so funny.
Arnold Palmer etc. Really funny golf stories featuring Trump. The Lee Travino one had me splitting my sides.
Might have to buy the book. Below is copied direct from Amazon.

NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER
"Reilly pokes more holes in Trump's claims than there are sand traps on all of his courses combined. It is by turns amusing and alarming." -- The New Yorker

"Golf is the spine of this shocking, wildly humorous book, but humanity is its flesh and spirit." -- Chicago Sun-Times

"Every one of Trump's most disgusting qualities surfaces in golf." -- The Ringer
An outrageous indictment of Donald Trump's appalling behavior when it comes to golf -- on and off the green -- and what it reveals about his character.

Donald Trump loves golf. He loves to play it, buy it, build it, and operate it. He owns 14 courses around the world and runs another five, all of which he insists are the best on the planet. He also claims he's a 3 handicap, almost never loses, and has won an astonishing 18 club championships.

How much of all that is true? Almost none of it, acclaimed sportswriter Rick Reilly reveals in this unsparing look at Trump in the world of golf.

Based on Reilly's own experiences with Trump as well as interviews with over 100 golf pros, amateurs, developers, and caddies, Commander in Cheat is a startling and at times hilarious indictment of Trump and his golf game. You'll learn how Trump cheats (sometimes with the help of his caddies and Secret Service agents), lies about his scores (the "Trump Bump"), tells whoppers about the rank of his courses and their worth (declaring that every one of them is worth $50 million), and tramples the etiquette of the game (driving on greens doesn't help). Trump doesn't brag so much, though, about the golf contractors he stiffs, the course neighbors he intimidates, or the way his golf decisions wind up infecting his political ones.

For Trump, it's always about winning. To do it, he uses the tricks he picked up from the hustlers at the public course where he learned the game as a college kid, and then polished as one of the most bombastic businessmen of our time. As Reilly writes, "Golf is like bicycle shorts. It reveals a lot about a man." Commander in Cheat "paints a side-splitting portrait of a congenital cheater" (Esquire), revealing all kinds of unsightly truths Trump has been hiding.

Now this I believe.

 

[bellenuit]

There is no impeachment process. Its a bunch of dems in the basement hiding information from the house. I'm sure Crenshaw even pointed out they were breaking the rules according to the house as well.

How immune can you be, moXJO, from what is actually going on. Are you not even aware that the Reps have their people in on the investigation? Did you not read Judge Howell's conclusion in the excerpt from the NY Times a few posts up. As regards them breaking the rules, here is Fox News's Kilmeade being schooled by their own analyst on judicial matters, Judge Napolitano.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge...chiff-just-following-the-rules-written-by-gop

 

[moXJO]

How immune can you be, moXJO, from what is actually going on. Are you not even aware that the Reps have their people in on the investigation? Did you not read Judge Howell's conclusion in the excerpt from the NY Times a few posts up. As regards them breaking the rules, here is Fox News's Kilmeade being schooled by their own analyst on judicial matters, Judge Napolitano.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge...chiff-just-following-the-rules-written-by-gop

Wheres the vote?
I'm fully aware of the implications. But it won't mean sht if they don't have a smoking gun.

This is how many attempts to take Trump down?
Its been smoke and mirrors all the way through. Media said he was gone for Russian collusion and that ended up as bs. I'll wait till they actually vote to impeach before believing some closed door event, in which they leak info out of context.

 

[bellenuit]

in which they leak info out of context.

Those were written public opening statements by those being questioned

 

[moXJO]

Those were written public opening statements by those being questioned

There is selected stuff at this stage being leaked. Transcripts were not released to house members. Hence the blow up.

Your article on judge napolitano is more crap. The Republicans let house members in to the closed door sessions and were allowed to ask questions via sitting members. Its more dem bs.


Once again its trial by media to swing votes. I'd be surprised if they get a result.

 

[bellenuit]

Your article on judge napolitano is more crap.

You said they broke the rules. They didn't.

 

[moXJO]

You said they broke the rules. They didn't.

All committee hearings, records, data, charts, and files shall be kept separate and distinct from the congressional office records of the member serving as its chairman. Such records shall be the property of the House, and each Member, Delegate, and the Resident Commissioner shall have access thereto.”)

Page 549 of the house rules.
The dems are running trial by media again.

 

[IFocus]

To be honest Mo I think Trump did collude with the Russians (all be it remotely) and there appears little doubt about the current situation with Ukraine.

Having said that he will likely get re-elected damaging US politics / institutions for ever the rot always starts at the head.

 

[basilio]

Another dive into the rabbit warren of Trumps "idiosyncrasies".
What blew me away was the response of his Press secretery.
Pure, rolled gold..
Trump hits out at former chief of staff John Kelly's warning about impeachment

• Kelly’s remarks come as testimony resumes in the impeachment inquiry, which the president has called a ‘scam’

Donald Trump has hit back at his former chief of staff, John Kelly, after Kelly said he had warned the president about impeachment.

Kelly said he “felt bad” for having left Trump’s side, because his advice was not followed and the president therefore faced impeachment.

Speaking at the Sea Island Summit, an event in Georgia organised by the conservative Washington Examiner, Kelly said that on leaving, he had said: “Whatever you do, don’t hire a ‘yes man’ – someone who won’t tell you the truth.”

“Don’t do that,” the retired marine general said he had told Trump. “Because if you do, I believe you will be impeached.”

CNN reported that the US president denied Kelly’s remarks.

“John Kelly never said that,” Trump said, according to CNN. “He never anything like that.

“If he would have said that I would have thrown him out of the office. He just wants to come back into the action like everybody else.”

The White House press secretary, Stephanie Grisham, confirmed Trump’s response: “I worked with John Kelly,
and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ent-state-official-philip-reeker-donald-trump

 

[bellenuit]

and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.

Something you would expect from an aide to the NK's Great Leader Kim.

This from the Genius. Trump said at a rally a few days ago that he was going to build a wall along the border of Colorado. When it was subsequently pointed out to him that Colorado didn't border Mexico, he tried to claim that he was only joking.

 

[moXJO]

To be honest Mo I think Trump did collude with the Russians (all be it remotely) and there appears little doubt about the current situation with Ukraine.

Having said that he will likely get re-elected damaging US politics / institutions for ever the rot always starts at the head.

I'd say there was more collusion from the dem side. That steele dossier didn't appear from nowhere, along with the goings on of the fbi at the time.

If you honestly think that if Trump did collude. And that it wouldn't have been found out by the tens of thousands (if not hundreds) of lawyers, investigative journalists, billionaires and general wackjob leftist. Then it stuns how stupid they all must be. If Trump farted, alone... it would end up in the news the following minute.

We have smear tactics and thats about it. Everyone everywhere has been searching for dirt on trump and every incident has been a stretch to far and just made up bs. Jussie smollett is the perfect example of how far the left is willing to go.
Yeah trumps a dodgy prck. But the dems are a whole lot worse.

I'm 50/50 on trump winning. Getting the head of isis is another tick thats making his Syria play look a lot better than last week.

 

[moXJO]

Another dive into the rabbit warren of Trumps "idiosyncrasies".
What blew me away was the response of his Press secretery.
Pure, rolled gold..
Trump hits out at former chief of staff John Kelly's warning about impeachment

• Kelly’s remarks come as testimony resumes in the impeachment inquiry, which the president has called a ‘scam’

Donald Trump has hit back at his former chief of staff, John Kelly, after Kelly said he had warned the president about impeachment.

Kelly said he “felt bad” for having left Trump’s side, because his advice was not followed and the president therefore faced impeachment.

Speaking at the Sea Island Summit, an event in Georgia organised by the conservative Washington Examiner, Kelly said that on leaving, he had said: “Whatever you do, don’t hire a ‘yes man’ – someone who won’t tell you the truth.”

“Don’t do that,” the retired marine general said he had told Trump. “Because if you do, I believe you will be impeached.”

CNN reported that the US president denied Kelly’s remarks.

“John Kelly never said that,” Trump said, according to CNN. “He never anything like that.

“If he would have said that I would have thrown him out of the office. He just wants to come back into the action like everybody else.”

The White House press secretary, Stephanie Grisham, confirmed Trump’s response: “I worked with John Kelly,
and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ent-state-official-philip-reeker-donald-trump

To understand trump you have to research his mentor. That guy was a beast.