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basilio said:
There is an excellent legal analysis of the 4 page summary released to date on the find Mueller investigation. It is written by an Attorney and former Federal prosecutor

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/barr-mueller/585628/
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One thing I always look at when I am trying to assess a bias Bas is how are they portraying the person in question in their photo. If it is an unbiased view, the photo will be neutral, if it is pro it will be a highly flattering photo and can't be trusted and if it has a negative bias it will be a poor or silly expression in the photo and can't be trusted.
Let's just say the article appears to have a negative bias so it would be something I would tend not to trust and dismiss it. It has held me in good stead over the years to cut through the propaganda of varying opinions.

However as I said in my previous post, don't shoot the messenger as I have no great interested in the man, just delivering an article into an appropriate thread. He will be gone sooner or later and I have far more interesting things to think about! :)
 
Mueller lied us into the Iraq war!!



28 nations went to war on 9/11 or 11/9/2001 and we, as a nation based our involvement on both FBI and CIA advice, which proved to be total bull-dust. That Libya handed an almost complete nuclear weapon in, not even on their radar speaks volumes.

Mueller, much like a lot of creeps, the Iran contra one, not North, but his co-helper ... he is now envoy for Trump to Venezuela ... expecting anything of substance from Mueller is a joke.

A sick joke. As someone said, its irrelevant, no one will impeach a sitting president. The next one will pardon him. Trump, is what he is ... and much worse than even the previous 4 presidents. They just keep getting worse and worse.

Question is, why does Australia still follow a goverment now run by crony capitalism and allow ... ALLOW 30 billion in unpaid taxes mainly by USA based companies go on ? Apple makes 27% margin on sales, sells 8 billion and instead of paying tax on 2 billion plus profits here .... pays 10% of it. Microsoft, even worse books 80% of its over 3 billion sales overseas. NO GST, same for google .... 25% of sales only here ...

It is time, that we recognize we are as bad as we think Trump is. Sad, but true.

Instead of being forced to pay higher taxes, getting back 30 billion .... is aa very big thing. Tax office report had 500 billion of sales, HERE and none paying any tax, Half .... HALF were likely legal, the rest on the fringes between evasion and avoidance, some very far over the red line such as the Glencore creeps.

We are, a meat patsy to the USA sad but true.
 
Top post kahuna1. It is the entire system, learnt that years back when I studied the FBI, Trump is just part of the overall product. That is what we should be focused on but the media need individual identities in order to keep us in fact away from fact and in the dark
 
I would agree, and add, the various Oligarch members who control the USA.

Democracy in the USA has been taken over. Our own, is a joke. Sadly and with respect to our Armed Forces, we like many were deceived.

In the USA, lobbyists spend 3.5 billion a year. Under the table but now well seen via Panama papers and other leaks another 3.5 billion is spent in political donations. Added to this, think tanks and some just stink ... where one funded by Koch brothers and Walton family of Walmart produced 22,00 documents to NOT have a minimum wage increase in the USA.

There are about 1000 Billionaires active in this. Not all are to blame and some calling for higher taxes like Buffett and Gates are in FACT the worst of the worst. Google Eugenics and their donations to on Buffets part to his idiot children especially his some who runs a military camp on the MEXICO border and one might change their mind. Nothing like donating 3 billion to abort mainly black and brown babies ... in the USA ... about 5 million for that price and ignoring that amount would fully fund the community healthcare centers which service 25 million Americans for 5 years.

Oh charity ... and the master race do NOT MIX !!

They are the EUGENICS crowd, for a master white race. Then of course the military industrial complex. Then the drug companies, then the banking ones, then the coal and gas industries and of course the tech companies who actually are the main contributors.

It goes into the media and supposed charitable donations now have the PBS., the Public Broadcast System in the USA with two Koch brother people on the board and all hires must be approved by them. Universities and endowments, come mainly with strings ....

Think tanks and few are what they appear. Climates deniers and our own Gina Rhinehart is a major sponsor of them.

On and on it goes ... world bank always a joke as is IMF which USA controls 16% and appoints the head and NOTHING .... can occur without an 85% majority. credit rating agencies ... USA based and not one peep out of them with USA adding 3 trillion in debt ...

United Nations, wow .... Trump tried appointing an ex Fox woman, a joke, a worse one .... a woman with no work experience other than 3 marriages and married to a coal baron ... who contributed 3 million to elect Trump ... IS NOW ... USA representative.

Untied nations ... along with trying to prevent another world war, is also supposedly the peak body on climate change. The new USA representative, to the IPCC ... which its reports are so pathetic and so watered down ... after USA then Saudi Arabia and then Canada object to every line, NOW has a person ... a women with 3 KIDS .... NO job ever ... wife of coal baron ...who believes in BOTH cases scientifically about climate change. BOTH ? Well 97% of all active climate scientists, an astounding number 97% believe in the dire nature of the issue. The other 3% on the main work either for Coal industry groups, Oil industry groups or are the usual nutters.

A factoid, being Australian .... the Great Barrier Reef is now 25% the size of what it was 30 years ago. It is unlikely in the extreme due to overly hot water to be around in 2050. It takes a long time even for new growth coral to spawn and the chances of yet another extreme water temperature event occurring at least once every 10 years is almost zero. As such, by 2050 if more than 10% is left, its a surprise and that's using IPCC watered down .... International Panel on Climate Change numbers, not some of the more realistic ones which are worse.

Barnaby Joyce wants to build a coal fired station on every corner, the liberal party here, is part denial and part lip service and the PLAN to plant 1 billion trees sounds big, BUT .... well at 2,000 trees per hectare and we emit 500 million tons oc CO2 .... hmmm 500,000 hectares NOT counting the existing plants likely there .... so 5,000 sq km. How much does one need to absorb all the CO2 we emit ? Via trees which well only will work for around 40 years removing CO2 as they die, rot and regrow ...

Well Mr Morrison it would take not 5,000 sq KM but 1.25 million SQ KM .... so thats 0.4% ... yes 0.4% ..

I vote we kick the USA out and take UK or EU ... as partners in defence and the way forward.

This video covers just part of how democracy is lost in the USA ... it pulled back from stating that whilst the will of the people NO matter what is ignored in the USA, the fact is if the Oligarchy wants something ... a tax cut the percentage of times it occurs even over strong massive public objection is around 85% of the time when public opinion is 85% AGAINST it.

USA ... heaven help them ... needs massive cleanup ...

Jennifer Lawrence from Hunger games joins .... a massive list of others desperate forchange in the USA. That a study followed 6.2 million cancer patients from 2000 to 2016 and found 42% of them HAD GONE BANKRUPT ... within 2 years via medical bills and a vial of insulin costs $600- in the USA here ... without govt $170 [[[ Mexico $150- Canada $150 -- is a disgrace.

Anyhow she is cute and pulls her punch but worth a listen

 
Here is another article which appears to be fairly even handed in its reporting. Note the photo is fairly neutral as well, no funny face pulling expressions in this one.
Disclosure: On a scale between 1 and 10 of my interest in this matter my result would be 1 so don't bother to try to draw me into an argument, go find someone else who cares! :)

Barr’s Letter Contains Unambiguously Good News for the U.S.

Today, Attorney General William Barr released his summary of the “principal conclusions reached by the Special Counsel and the results of his investigation.” The document is light on details, but it contains a key quote from the special counsel’s report itself. Here it is, in full: “The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” This is unambiguously good news. If you doubt this, consider the alternative. Just imagine the bomb that would detonate in the American body politic if we discovered through this investigation that a sitting president worked with a hostile government (arguably our chief geopolitical foe) to try to tip the balance in a close election.





Instead, Americans should feel even greater confidence in the legitimacy of the 2016 election. They should reject — once and for all — the lurid conspiracy theories that have dominated parts of the Internet and gained entirely too much purchase in the broader media. And critically, they should trust Mueller’s conclusion. Remember how Trump’s defenders repeatedly and loudly noted that Mueller staffed his team with Democratic lawyers? Well, this is their report. Earlier today, MSNBC’s Joy Reid said that “it feels like the seeds of a cover-up are here.” This is irresponsible rhetoric. There is no evidence of a cover-up. Instead, there’s a great deal of evidence that Mueller conducted a thorough and diligent investigation. More...

 
With you ... at about 1 out of 10 ... interest in this.

I prefer this report ... I doubt anyone will call Noam Chomsky anti Semitic, since he is ... JEWISH. His agreement with Illham the poor person in the senate who mentioned this ... Money ... nothing against the faith, she being muslin was hung out to dry. Anyhow love Noam and his actually objective look at things v some idiots who fall far short.

 
Ann said:
“The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
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There seems to be some confusion regarding what was revealed in the summary. Reports that Mueller said there was no collusion and repeated by Trump is incorrect. It was Barr and Rosenstein, two Trump appointees and both Republican, that said there was no collusion with Russia. The actual report, as quoted above, said collusion was not established. This is quite different and will likely be the subject of hot debate as more of the report is released.
 
bellenuit said:
There seems to be some confusion regarding what was revealed in the summary. Reports that Mueller said there was no collusion and repeated by Trump is incorrect. It was Barr and Rosenstein, two Trump appointees and both Republican, that said there was no collusion with Russia. The actual report, as quoted above, said collusion was not established. This is quite different and will likely be the subject of hot debate as more of the report is released.
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Plus 1 . There is also the second issue regarding the obstruction of justice issue which is still undecided
And in any case there is a ton more material in the report. All we are seeing so far is a 4 page summary by Donald Trumps hand picked AG.

A fuller account of the release and a link to teh actual 4 page letter can be found below.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/24/mueller-report-donald-trump-barr-congress-russia
 
A fuller account of who has featured in Mueller inquiry, their fate (to date..) and their connection with Donald Trump can be found here.

Donald Trump's presidency has been dogged by Robert Mueller. These were the key players in the Russia probe
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03...ler-russia-investigation-key-players/10679256

There is also a more detailed explantion of what has happened.

Donald Trump says the Robert Mueller report is 'complete exoneration'.
Except it isn't
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03...ueller-report-he-may-not-be-innocent/10935764


 
So when are they going to 'nail' Trump?
The hysteria has been going on for 12 months, it seems the echo chamber, is soundproof.
 
sptrawler said:
So when are they going to 'nail' Trump?
The hysteria has been going on for 12 months, it seems the echo chamber, is soundproof.
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What do you reckon SP ? That the Don has dun nothing untoward ? That is government is a model of propriety and efficiency ? That all his employees doing time or being indicted are victims of a witch hunt ?

Donald Trump has created an absolute record for scandals - and still staying in power. Welcome to USA Today.
https://www.thoughtco.com/trump-scandals-4142784
 
basilio said:
What do you reckon SP ? That the Don has dun nothing untoward ? That is government is a model of propriety and efficiency ? That all his employees doing time or being indicted are victims of a witch hunt ?

Donald Trump has created an absolute record for scandals - and still staying in power. Welcome to USA Today.
https://www.thoughtco.com/trump-scandals-4142784
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So the media says.
Who owns the media? The multinationals with their advertising budgets.:rolleyes:
 
So if the russians are not to be blamed after putting all the obamah administration and democrats power trying to down the elected president by all legal or not mean.
Who the hell is Hillary going to blame?
And would it be fair to launch a similar enquiry on the democrats behaviour, Clinton foundation and cie

Ohh i must be misleaded
And what a shame of a name in the US to see the left self labelling itself democrat and liberal
Might have been true at a time?
But not in the last few decades
 
sptrawler said:
So the media says.
Who owns the media? The multinationals with their advertising budgets.:rolleyes:
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Clever SP :D. Pure Trumpism at its best.. Jut deny it all away and say it's a witch hunt.

If your quick I'm sure there is a place for you on the Trump promotion Train. :)
 
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