Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[Tisme]

Trumps is dragging Americans back from the tide of disunity into a revivilist empire and the little fiefdoms within don't like it.

The only thing that stands in the way of Russia and China style human rights is USA, India and UK pushing back. The USA business was too busy sinking monies into building China, and the US govt not regulating that investment properly so now we have a Frankenstein's monster to contend with.

 

[SirRumpole]

Trumps is dragging Americans back from the tide of disunity into a revivilist empire

So did Hitler I guess. The Germans voted for him too.

 

[wayneL]

Oh yeah, Trump is building gas ovens as we speak.

Cmon Horace, conflating Trump and Hitler is beyond the pale, quite disgraceful really.

 

[SirRumpole]

Oh yeah, Trump is building gas ovens as we speak.

Cmon Horace, conflating Trump and Hitler is beyond the pale, quite disgraceful really.

Can't you take a little joke wayne ?

I wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler's excesses just pointing out that neither have much respect for democratic institutions like independent investigators.

 

[wayneL]

Touche' lol

 

[Junior]

I find it disturbing that the President of the USA avoids reading, and gathers most of his knowledge from FOX News. He uses Twitter as his primary communication tool. It is embarrassing and unprofessional.

He comes across as arrogant, ignorant and a compulsive liar to me. I held that view before he ran for president, and I haven't seen anything to change that. He's appealing to conservatives who long for the America of 50 years ago. Well guess what, it's 2018 and the world is a better place than it was 50 years ago on almost every measure, so let's appreciate that and move forward, not backwards.

 

[wayneL]

I find it disturbing that the President of the USA avoids reading, and gathers most of his knowledge from FOX News. He uses Twitter as his primary communication tool. It is embarrassing and unprofessional.

He comes across as arrogant, ignorant and a compulsive liar to me. I held that view before he ran for president, and I haven't seen anything to change that. He's appealing to conservatives who long for the America of 50 years ago. Well guess what, it's 2018 and the world is a better place than it was 50 years ago on almost every measure, so let's appreciate that and move forward, not backwards.

The world is better because we have taken the middle line. Mixed economies, free exchange of ideas and debate, creating equal opportunity (but not equality of outcome) reducing egregious offense but not overly pc.

On those measures we have now started going backwards and it will end in violence of some sort.

Trump is merely symptomatic of that, but in my profession I have access to many of my American colleagues; politics is regularly discussed.

I can tell you that the proportion is 20 to 1 in favour of Trump and probably 8 or 10 to 1 **strongly in favour.

So don't believe the msm, on the ground is a totally different story.

 

[SirRumpole]

Trump is merely symptomatic of that, but in my profession I have access to many of my American colleagues; politics is regularly discussed.

I can tell you that the proportion is 20 to 1 in favour of Trump and probably 8 or 10 to 1 **strongly in favour.

Taking polls of like minded people is not statistically valid.

 

[luutzu]

The world is better because we have taken the middle line. Mixed economies, free exchange of ideas and debate, creating equal opportunity (but not equality of outcome) reducing egregious offense but not overly pc.

On those measures we have now started going backwards and it will end in violence of some sort.

Trump is merely symptomatic of that, but in my profession I have access to many of my American colleagues; politics is regularly discussed.

I can tell you that the proportion is 20 to 1 in favour of Trump and probably 8 or 10 to 1 **strongly in favour.

So don't believe the msm, on the ground is a totally different story.

The voters turn out was around 50% of Americans?
Slightly more than half voted for Clinton? The other half to Trump?

So the 20:1 is probably sampling bias Sifu.

But has your colleagues had their voters regret yet?

Not saying that Clinton is better or such... just that voters put hope and change into a candidate, believing their bs... then get shafted, again.

I mean nobody cares for the poor and working class anyway. Just Trump really, really does not give a crap. He talks the language, but if you look at his policies... his voters are going to feel it real soon. If not already.

 

[moXJO]

He hasn't started any wars yet. If he stays on that trend he will be ahead of the pack in something.

He is a liar. But so were the majority of the president’s. Trump lies a damn lot though. I think junior hit it on the head with the fox news.

He doesn't give a crap about the poor. "Get a job" seems to be his policy attitude.

 

[wayneL]

Most certainly sampling bias, gents. You miss my point, not that *everybody likes Trump, that is clearly not true.

But in my profession of self employed, self reliant people, he is very popular.

Therefore, the reverse is simply not true as asserted above. Not *everybody hates him either, the msm is giving a somewhat false impression.

 

[wayneL]

As far as Trump being a liar... Well of course he is. As Mo pointed out, all POTUSae(sic) are.

The difference is in to the extent to which the msm facilitate the lies.

Very high with Obama.

Not at all with Trump.

 

[Junior]

I can see that business owners might be in support, given they will be beneficiaries of tax cuts and easing of regulation.

The impact of slashing taxes and a big increase in spending will be another sugar hit for the US economy in the short term, but will sting in a few years, in terms of budget deficit and govn't debt levels. They'll end up slashing interest rates to zero again down the track IMO.

 

[SirRumpole]

As far as Trump being a liar... Well of course he is. As Mo pointed out, all POTUSae(sic) are.

The difference is in to the extent to which the msm facilitate the lies.

Very high with Obama.

Not at all with Trump.

Some examples of Obama lies please ?

 

[Knobby22]

I can see that business owners might be in support, given they will be beneficiaries of tax cuts and easing of regulation.

The impact of slashing taxes and a big increase in spending will be another sugar hit for the US economy in the short term, but will sting in a few years, in terms of budget deficit and govn't debt levels. They'll end up slashing interest rates to zero again down the track IMO.

That's what worries me more than anything J. the huge run up in debt and the decaying infrastructure.

 

[Junior]

1,655 lies in 500 days!

http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

 

[McLovin]

I wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler's excesses just pointing out that neither have much respect for democratic institutions like independent investigators.

How many politicians do? If they did there would be no need for investigators to be independent.

Therefore, the reverse is simply not true as asserted above. Not *everybody hates him either, the msm is giving a somewhat false impression.

Who made that assertion?

 

[wayneL]

Some examples of Obama lies please ?

You don't have Google?

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds

 

[luutzu]

Some examples of Obama lies please ?

"Hope and Change".

But then he still leave voters hoping for a change, so maybe that's not a lie

 

[Tisme]

I find it disturbing that the President of the USA avoids reading, and gathers most of his knowledge from FOX News. He uses Twitter as his primary communication tool. It is embarrassing and unprofessional.

He comes across as arrogant, ignorant and a compulsive liar to me. I held that view before he ran for president, and I haven't seen anything to change that. He's appealing to conservatives who long for the America of 50 years ago. Well guess what, it's 2018 and the world is a better place than it was 50 years ago on almost every measure, so let's appreciate that and move forward, not backwards.

Which is how Australians have traditionally viewed the US and it's Presidents.