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Nice find Rumpy. Had to directly quote Sam Harris comments re Donald Trump.

How Donald Trump rewrites the rules of reality
"Honestly, thus far, that [the casualty of truth] is the most harmful aspect of his presidency. Just the complete ruination of any standard of honesty in political discourse and it's astonishing to me. I have not yet accepted that this is even possible, much less actual. I don't think I'm alone, but I'm continually having the bewildering experience that I just cannot believe that this person is president. It is all focused on this particular aspect of his presidency, where he lies more than any person has ever lied in human history and not only does he get away with it, his supporters seem to delight in his running roughshod over any expectation that a public figure would be honest. It's not a bug, it's a feature for them and that's really disturbing. He has enough people that support him for whom the lying is not actually a problem, it's a technique. It's a kind of naked declaration of power, where he doesn't have to observe your expectations about what is logical or coherent or responsive to facts. He can just say what he wants, because it's the impression he wants to leave with you. He wants a certain language in the air and he just puts it there.

But all lying is just destructive of the social fabric, even so called white lies undermine trust, they undermine relationships, they destroy reputations — that is in a context where people care about the truth. But what's amazing now, we seem to be in some kind of freefall with respect to this and so many people do not care if you are caught lying. And Donald Trump seems to have rewritten the rules.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-...ruth-and-lies-in-the-donald-trump-era/9819290
 
Trumps Law.
1) I can do no wrong because I am "The President"
2) Because I am "The President" I can absolutely pardon myself

Donald Trump claims he has 'absolute right to pardon myself'
  • Trump: ‘Why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?’
  • President renews attack on special counsel Russia investigation
Ben Jacobs in Washington and agencies

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Mon 4 Jun 2018 22.27 BST First published on Mon 4 Jun 2018 14.17 BST

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Donald Trump said his right to pardon had been ‘stated by numerous legal scholars’. Photograph: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images
In his latest broadside against the Russia investigation, Donald Trump claimed on Monday to have an “absolute right to pardon myself”. The president added: “But why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/04/trump-pardon-russia-mueller-investigation-tweet

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Really ? The legal eagles have another view. One sample.

‘I have no patience for theoretical arguments on this issue’
Elizabeth de la Vega, former federal prosecutor, via email:

Of course, the president is not above the law. Indeed, I have no patience for theoretical arguments on this issue. The president shows gross disregard for the constitution and our justice system daily; he’s rampaging through it like Attila the Hun. Rather than swirling off into an abstract frenzy in response to Trump’s manic tweets, let us ask, relentlessly, what, specifically, does the president propose to pardon himself for?

Unless and until he answers that question, we should steadfastly avoid allowing him to draw us into debating his insane and ephemeral legal-sounding pronouncements. It’s quite enough to say: ‘No, you’re not above the law, Mr President. Tell us what crimes you’ve committed. Tell us what you propose to pardon yourself for. Then we’ll talk.’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...t-that-he-can-pardon-himself-experts-weigh-in
 
Nice find Rumpy. Had to directly quote Sam Harris comments re Donald Trump.

How Donald Trump rewrites the rules of reality
"Honestly, thus far, that [the casualty of truth] is the most harmful aspect of his presidency. Just the complete ruination of any standard of honesty in political discourse and it's astonishing to me. I have not yet accepted that this is even possible, much less actual. I don't think I'm alone, but I'm continually having the bewildering experience that I just cannot believe that this person is president. It is all focused on this particular aspect of his presidency, where he lies more than any person has ever lied in human history and not only does he get away with it, his supporters seem to delight in his running roughshod over any expectation that a public figure would be honest. It's not a bug, it's a feature for them and that's really disturbing. He has enough people that support him for whom the lying is not actually a problem, it's a technique. It's a kind of naked declaration of power, where he doesn't have to observe your expectations about what is logical or coherent or responsive to facts. He can just say what he wants, because it's the impression he wants to leave with you. He wants a certain language in the air and he just puts it there.

But all lying is just destructive of the social fabric, even so called white lies undermine trust, they undermine relationships, they destroy reputations — that is in a context where people care about the truth. But what's amazing now, we seem to be in some kind of freefall with respect to this and so many people do not care if you are caught lying. And Donald Trump seems to have rewritten the rules.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-...ruth-and-lies-in-the-donald-trump-era/9819290

This is what bothers me the most too.

I always believed honesty to be a positive and desirable attribute. Of course we all know politicians are famous for lying, but Trump's lying is relentless and constant. You cannot believe a word the man says. Yet some choose to believe it all in the face overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
 
A lot of evidence is based on false news also.

Cannot truly believe anyone in most current agenda's today.

Party on and enjoy each day you have left. Or is that "right"
 
He can't pardon himself from impeachment.

I'm interested in the job figures. Is it true that unemployment among women is the lowest in 60 years?

Also lowest in black, Hispanic communities for a while?

There are to many layers of bs in the leftist media. Give me facts and figures on the economy without personal opinions clouding up the truth.
Trump does seem like a lying shtbag. So do most pollies.
 
Moxjo there is no BS in quoting what Donald Trump says. Forget "leftist bias" rubbish. Every single paper will report exactly the same thing about what Donald trump said.

1) I believe I absolutely have the power to pardon myself .
2) But in any case I've done nothing.

This is a President who knows no limits.
 
Moxjo there is no BS in quoting what Donald Trump says. Forget "leftist bias" rubbish. Every single paper will report exactly the same thing about what Donald trump said.

1) I believe I absolutely have the power to pardon myself .
2) But in any case I've done nothing.

This is a President who knows no limits.
He can pardon himself, the statement is true. But he would be impeached hard and fast. This was a twitter comment I believe? Out of that we get a ridiculous amount of comments. He must have a reason why he keeps posting this crap.

We need to wait on the results of the investigation to see if anything wrong has been done.

I was talking more about conversations on the economy where opinion spin replaces figures.
 
He must have a reason why he keeps posting this crap.

Yep. It seems to be part of his strategy to undermine the Mueller investigation and continue to "normalise" political actions that until now everyone has considered totally unacceptable.

But the idea of what is "unacceptable" political activity has been systematically by a President who decides that anything he says is acceptable.

Trump’s New Strategy for Responding to Robert Mueller
The president’s message focuses on undermining the investigators and investigation, rather than insisting that no crimes were committed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...tegy-for-responding-to-robert-mueller/560723/

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By the way have you ever seen the fantastic economic results achieved by Adolf Hitler from 1933-1938 ? Quite exceptional in terms of employment, business activity and national Pride.

And FDR managed to turn the economy around from the disaster of 1933 (final collapse of the banks ) to around 1936.
 
Yep. It seems to be part of his strategy to undermine the Mueller investigation and continue to "normalise" political actions that until now everyone has considered totally unacceptable.

But the idea of what is "unacceptable" political activity has been systematically by a President who decides that anything he says is acceptable.

Trump’s New Strategy for Responding to Robert Mueller
The president’s message focuses on undermining the investigators and investigation, rather than insisting that no crimes were committed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...tegy-for-responding-to-robert-mueller/560723/

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By the way have you ever seen the fantastic economic results achieved by Adolf Hitler from 1933-1938 ? Quite exceptional in terms of employment, business activity and national Pride.

And FDR managed to turn the economy around from the disaster of 1933 (final collapse of the banks ) to around 1936.
Ego runs deep among US presidents and hopefuls. It's not confined to either side. Look at Hillary Clintons inability to accept she had anything to do with the loss.
I'm not sure if Trump was involved in the Russia probe. I believe wikileaks played a part, along with some facebook trolling and fake news. But overall its been overplayed by the dems.

But have to wait and see.
 
Yep. It seems to be part of his strategy to undermine the Mueller investigation and continue to "normalise" political actions that until now everyone has considered totally unacceptable.

But the idea of what is "unacceptable" political activity has been systematically by a President who decides that anything he says is acceptable.

Trump’s New Strategy for Responding to Robert Mueller
The president’s message focuses on undermining the investigators and investigation, rather than insisting that no crimes were committed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...tegy-for-responding-to-robert-mueller/560723/

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By the way have you ever seen the fantastic economic results achieved by Adolf Hitler from 1933-1938 ? Quite exceptional in terms of employment, business activity and national Pride.

And FDR managed to turn the economy around from the disaster of 1933 (final collapse of the banks ) to around 1936.
Hitler also made the Olympics what they are today. He made a lot of advances and would have gone down as one of the greats in history. Unfortunately you don't win friends by war and genocide.

There was a movie years ago based on a true story, I think it was called "the wave".
Shows how people slowly accept doing terrible things.
Teacher shows his students how the German population accepted hitler after a student asks how they could do those terrible things.
Probably more important than ever for people on both sides to remember.
 
Hitler also made the Olympics what they are today. He made a lot of advances and would have gone down as one of the greats in history. Unfortunately you don't win friends by war and genocide.

There was a movie years ago based on a true story, I think it was called "the wave".
Shows how people slowly accept doing terrible things.
Teacher shows his students how the German population accepted hitler after a student asks how they could do those terrible things.
Probably more important than ever for people on both sides to remember.

Wars of expansion and genocide didn't start only with Hitler. They didn't end after Hitler either.

The population came to accept it because it's in the books at schools and over the airwaves. With dissenting voices being considered nut job leftie, commie, hippies traitors.

Same script all over the world.
 
MoXjo, the process of how to socialise or groom people/students into accepting authoritarian dictates is one of the key elements of every SJW teacher. It's in our jeans..o_O

The original project which demonstrated how easy and effective this process can work happened in 1967 in the US. It was called The Third Wave. Worth a read.

Background to the Third Wave experiment
The experiment took place at Cubberley High School in Palo Alto, California, during the first week of April 1967.[1] Jones, finding himself unable to explain to his students how the German population could have claimed ignorance of The Holocaust, decided to demonstrate it to them instead.[3] Jones started a movement called "The Third Wave" and told his students that the movement aimed to eliminate democracy.[1] The idea that democracy emphasizes individuality was considered as a drawback of democracy, and Jones emphasized this main point of the movement in its motto: "Strength through discipline, strength through community, strength through action, strength through pride."[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)
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This is the story from the teacher who ran the experiment. Very, very sobering. Mind you the students became outstanding learners in only a few days under this regime... Maybe it's the way to go if we are to be No 1 on the Education Table.
https://web.archive.org/web/2005022....ca/Auxiliary/Psychology/Frank/Thirdwave.html
 
I'm interested in the job figures. Is it true that unemployment among women is the lowest in 60 years?

I don't think that Trump has been in long enough to have had any effect on the economy. Economies change relatively slowly either way so if the US economy has improved then it would likely have done so over a longer period of time than his Presidency.
 
I don't think that Trump has been in long enough to have had any effect on the economy. Economies change relatively slowly either way so if the US economy has improved then it would likely have done so over a longer period of time than his Presidency.
He hit the ground running. I think he got some of the bigger companies to move back to the US, encouraged business, investors etc. I'm interested in seeing how the tariffs play out.
 
MoXjo, the process of how to socialise or groom people/students into accepting authoritarian dictates is one of the key elements of every SJW teacher. It's in our jeans..o_O

The original project which demonstrated how easy and effective this process can work happened in 1967 in the US. It was called The Third Wave. Worth a read.

Background to the Third Wave experiment
The experiment took place at Cubberley High School in Palo Alto, California, during the first week of April 1967.[1] Jones, finding himself unable to explain to his students how the German population could have claimed ignorance of The Holocaust, decided to demonstrate it to them instead.[3] Jones started a movement called "The Third Wave" and told his students that the movement aimed to eliminate democracy.[1] The idea that democracy emphasizes individuality was considered as a drawback of democracy, and Jones emphasized this main point of the movement in its motto: "Strength through discipline, strength through community, strength through action, strength through pride."[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)
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This is the story from the teacher who ran the experiment. Very, very sobering. Mind you the students became outstanding learners in only a few days under this regime... Maybe it's the way to go if we are to be No 1 on the Education Table.
https://web.archive.org/web/2005022....ca/Auxiliary/Psychology/Frank/Thirdwave.html
Both sides have good qualities. Both sides can also be corrupted by power.
Everyone should question everything to get to the truth.

They also should troll just a little bit.
 
Moxjo, there is nothing right about Donald Trump. He is a sociopathitic narcissist who is destroying the social and political culture in the US and corrupting politics around the world.

And that is not just a liberal view. Many, many conservatives would echo those thoughts.

I don't know what it will take for you and many others on this forum to recognise that reality. Probably in the end absolutely nothing he does, nothing that is alleged, nothing that is proven will be sufficient to change your views.
 
He hit the ground running. I think he got some of the bigger companies to move back to the US, encouraged business, investors etc. I'm interested in seeing how the tariffs play out.

Which companies moved back to the US?

Every admin encourage business and investors. Obama was Wall St's favourite... hence, he got the presidency. Hence, Goldman Sachs hands him a list of who they "recommend" ought to take this, that and all major position in his Cabinet. Obama get to choose who's the cleaner or something.
 
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