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What do Aussies believe re: Evolution?

What do Aussies believe?

  • God created the Earth in the last 10K years

    Votes: 18 7.9%
  • God guided evolution of man over millions of years

    Votes: 30 13.2%
  • Pure evolution - No God Involved

    Votes: 162 71.4%
  • Other (stated below)

    Votes: 17 7.5%

  • Total voters
    227
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I'm curious to see if Aussies think the same way of Americans on the subject of evolution.
I found this chart of "What do Americans Believe"
three choices
a) God created the Earth in the last 10,000 years
b) God guided evolution of man over millions of years
c) Pure evolution - no God involved
no need for a lot of commentary (but up to you)
but would appreciate your time in voting, thanx.
 

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PS I decided not to give you the option of "don't know"
lol - we'd all have to vote that in truth
just your best guess based on your own philosophy.

As for "didn't answer" - you mob of wits would all vote that as well if it was an option
 
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I suppose to answer truthfully one has to know the meaning/description of belief. Wik says ....


My concise oxford says .... belief n. trust or confidence (in) ; acceptance of any received theology ; acceptance (of thing fact statement etc.)

So for mine I can`t answer truthfully `cause I`m not a beaver.
 
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No God in my view, we are a freak of evolution, part of the big bang as part of the universe. Some say they see wonderfull lights and great feelings when they have a near death experience. I was knocked out once and I saw vivid stars and a sore head afterwards.

On average we seem to be differrent philosophically to Amerricans. There was a report out of US last week of a youg lad gaoled for life for killing his Father who it was proved had physically abused his son throughout his childhood. Certainly we must not condone murder but sometimes the circumstances need to be weighed in.

Religion seems to be more and more zero tolerance and is this perhaps some desperate attempt to avoid the big issues and how we are stuffing up the world. Interesting hornets nest.
 
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so just your best guess....

either at the answer (no right or wrong) , or
what the original Americans assumed "belief" meant

PS I reckon your definition is spot on btw.

Your call, but I would have thought if you can't answer questions that imply you believe in X, then maybe , .. ?? Y is a better answer

Explod - I hear you - there was a case where an American who killed his father (granted with mitigating circumstances - bit like your case) was sent overseas as a missionary rather than do jail
 
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I would suggest that you guys read some history of philosophy. The notion that we evolved was know to the ancient greeks, there arguments were not the same ones we use today, but they were sound.
Since Darwin, we see that evolution is the central unifying idea in biology and have even been lucky enough to decrypt the mechanism.
A healthy civilisation requires people to have strong beliefs, beliefs strong enough to supress violence within a soceity and direct it outward. Our dying civilisation is christian, hence in the late denial phase we have a return to evangelism, which is essentially willfull stupidity, a counter reformation from modernity, which is why Americans go for it.
The irony is that reason alone will not sustain civilisation and what is true and what the mass of people beleive will always be at odds.

"Religion begins by offering magical aid to harassed and bewildered men; it culminates by giving to a people that unity of morals and belief which seems so favorable to statesmanship and art; it ends by fighting suicidally in the lost cause of the past. For as knowledge grows or alters continually, it clashes with mythology and theology, which change with geological leisureliness. Priestly control of arts and letters is then felt as a galling shackle or hateful barrier, and intellectual history takes on the character of a "conflict between science and religion" Institutions which were at first in the hands of the clergy, like law and punishment, education and morals, marriage and divorce, tend to escape from ecclesiastical control and become secular, perhaps profane. The intellectual classes abandon the ancient theology and -- after some hesitation -- the moral code allied with it; literature and philosophy become anticlerical. The movement of liberation rises to an exuberant worship of reason, and falls to a paralyzing disillusionment with every dogma and every idea. Conduct, deprived of its religious supports, deteriorates into epicurean chaos; and life itself, shorn of consoling faith, becomes a burden alike, to conscious poverty and to weary wealth. In the end, a society and its religion tend to fall together, like body and soul, in a harmonious death. Meanwhile, among the oppressed, another myth arises, gives new form to human hope, new courage to human effort, and after centuries of chaos builds another civilization."

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Found that passage you presented to be my thoughts also kevo.Something I understand.

Had one look at the site link you provide and hit the X in the top right hand corner of the screen.
 
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Kevo, fantastic post, wish I could sum something up like that. So we find ourselves between a rock and a hard place, the rationals have thier hands bitten off and the irrationals promise the world
 
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The thing that I don't understand about evolution vs. creation is the whole 10,000 years vs. millions & millions of years.

There is a massive difference between the two.

I would have thought with the technology and research available to man these days that scientists would be able to establish and agree on the approximate age of the earth.

Why is this fact never agreed on ??
 
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Science is the art of coming up with a theory and then trying to disprove it, if you can't you then publish the theory. Evolution has stood this test and hasn't been disproved scientifically, the biblical theories have failed this test repeatedly.

When science fails to prove your religious faith, you just employ your own scientists to come up with theories that suit your agenda and change proven scientific method to give you the outcomes you want. Hence "intelligent design" the theory that we are to well designed to be an accident, the amercian christian right have embraced this failed theory as gospel and have started teaching it in schools. GW Bush is a supporter of this kooky rubbish.
 
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Fundamentalist Christians have determined the age of the Earth by counting up all the instances of someone begatting someone in the bible. This method of determing the age of the Earth can originally be attributed to Archbishop Ussher.

Scientists have determined an approximate age of the Earth by using radiometric dating which is based upon the decay rates of naturally occuring isotopes.
 
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Well 2020 Hind... becoming pretty clear how a lot of us here on the forums think. Interesting thread but what can we resolve?
 
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not sure m8 - I want to stay impartial - (but I guess everyone knows my views - although I wonder about the middle option - as did Einstein I guess - except when he wondered about something, he was able to avoid his eyebrows getting in a knot - which is my main problem lol

as for the age of the earth bit , stockguru makes sense to me.
(one estimate based on the decay rate
one on the birth rate )

well, better be-gatting along to Dan Murphy's before it closes lol
 
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thankx kevo
source of that quote maybe
 
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https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=200265&highlight=descartes#post200265

But these three (3) questions still are unanswered
* was the first (1) kick-off taken by God?
* who'll second (2) that first (1) page of Hansard?
* and third (3), was the first (1) second (2) odd?
(or even)

"well" - said the actress to the bishop - artyman: "I've come forth (4) - to have a fifth (5) over some six (6) while we thrash it out, sugar"
 
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as stockguru posted - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher
amazing this bloke can calculate it (well , can keep a straight face and say he knows it) to the day !
23 Oct 4004 BC.

Anglican Archbishop of All Ireland ? - may I suggest he was lost?
 

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to the day !
23 Oct 4004 BC.
Just a quick check
let's pretend I'm the verifier.
23 Oct 4004 BC.
what day of the week?

between 23 Oct 4004 BC and 23 oct 2007AD
we have 4004+2007-1 = 6010 years (See below - delete zero year)
of which 6010 / 4 = 1502.5 were leap years, = 1502 (approx )
hence there were 6010x 365 + 1502 days = 2195152 days
hence 313593 weeks and 1 day

Now 23 Oct 2007 AD will be a Tuesday
therefore 23 Oct 4004 BC was a Monday

and CHECK!! “creation was the night preceding that " – i.e.
early start (or as they say these days , sparrow fart) on the Monday.

PS since then man has evolved into a 38.5 hour per week animal
PS he has got meaner ,
and his erect demeanour now more resembles the shape of a lounge.
PS a few more years of this and we'll be able to officially declare a new species
"the lounge lizard"

PS seems that "BC" more accurately means "Before Conception" rather than "Before Christ" (my words)

so ... does that mean that 24 March on year 1 is BC?
and instead of year 500BC, should we really say " 500 BTTOTLI ?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero
Since Bede, historians have not counted with a year zero. This means that between, for example, 500 BC, January 1 and AD 500, January 1 there are counter-intuitively only 999 years:


PS gotta feeling that every now and again there's a slight adjustment of leap years - but lol
don't have time for it now
 

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2020.

I think it was something you wrote.
A statistic about each star in the universe being compared to the size of a hair folacle width.
10 to the pin head.
How much of the surface of the earth would they cover.
Of the estimated 25 trillion stars.
(1) Youd cover the whole surface of the earth.
(2) Plus every planet in our solar system
(3) 250 times!

Now for the human species to be so arrogant to suggest that ITS god/s created all. And that it cant even settle on a universal explanation of creation because it doesnt know and to find one would kill the power of religion. And STILL has to resort to faith to explain away the unknown.

Says to me that mankind is simply a very young naive species,which in many countries is led by the strong (Religions) by giving the vast majority of civilisation hope that there is more than their pitiful existance.
Belief,Faith and hope are as we have seen through centuries very powerful and manipulative indeed.

Yep we evolved and are still evolving,I think we are a very primative life form relative to what is likely to be out there.

Must say
Very suprised at the lopsided results here given the results on the poll on the Is there a God thread.
 
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thankx kevo
source of that quote maybe

2020Hindsight, a source is difficult when what Kevo has postulated has been built gradually on a chain of intellectual thinking going back 2500 years.

My wife had a crack at reading the piece this morning over breakfast and in disecting the message it made me revisit a conclusion reached at uni. (when we knew everything and were going to force feed change on the world, struth, another missed opportunity)

If you think about it there are two levels of education, the force fed repititious dogma and the free open campus to all possibilities. They are led by our cultural circumstances with wealth and poverty playing a big part. It has been resolved in societies where education all the way is an equal right to all individuals. It falls down because the powerful become greedy and want to control.

From the middle/dark ages the reawakening saw such uprisings as the commune of Paris, where people asserted themselves as individuals and for a right to have a say. It has survivied well in that part of the world till the present but interestingly a lot of intellectual Europe is in regression. I think we achieved it to some degree in Australia from the 60s through to the late 80s,

Some peoples will always need guidance to cope, others will be greedy and want to control and others will want to allow the flowers to grow unnihibited and free; getting it all together is the great conundrum.

It has always been my view that there is no democracy without equal education for everyone, which is why your Bill Gates et. al put their life fortunes in these directions.
 
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