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Re: Octaviar MFS Premium Income Fund PIF

PART TWO............

ASIC then claims that White told King he knew of a way to "obtain $150 million", use part of that to satisfy Fortress, and "undertake . . . transactions which would legitimise the use".

Interestingly, in spite of ASIC supporting other allegations against the men by referring to admissions made in their section 19 interviews, the claim document does not reveal how the commission knows that White made that proposal, or that King agreed to it ”” or even if anyone else was party to the conversation and told ASIC.

It goes on to say White knew that MSF Investments had a $200 million credit line with Royal Bank of Scotland for Premium Income Fund, and that on November 27 (the day after the Fortress deal), he jointly signed a request to draw down $150 million of that.

On Friday, November 30, in ASIC's view, the millions zapped quickly from one account to another. RBoS sent its $150 million into PIF's operating account (held under the name of PIF's custodian, Perpetual Nominees) at CBA's Southport branch. MFS Investments then crossed $130 million to another account at the same branch, owned by MFS Administration, which in turn had by mid-afternoon sent $103 million to Fortress' National Australia Bank account.

ASIC says that last transfer was cash belonging to PIF investors, and that under the fund's constitution should have been put into recognised investments.

A month later, the day after Boxing Day, another $17.5 million was moved from PIF's account to another at the Southport CBA ”” this time for the benefit of MFS Pacific Finance in New Zealand, where ASIC alleges it was used to pay redemptions for debentures and noteholders at a time when nervous investors in NZ were withdrawing funds.

ASIC argues that only three days later, on December 30, MFS Investments put PIF's finance from Royal Bank of Scotland in jeopardy by allowing the fund's ratio of assets and liabilities to breach the limit allowed under the loan.

It was three weeks, January 23, before RBoS sent a formal "Event of Default" notice ”” and by then King had already been forced out after $1 billion of MFS's market worth was destroyed when its shares crumbled from $4 to 99 ¢ (triggering the margin calls on his and Adams' shareholding, and that of another director, Michael Hiscock), trading in the shares was suspended (as it turned out, forever), MFS had revealed its debts were larger than thought and that pretty much all its assets were for sale.

ASIC says that the very next day, White and Anderson ordered staff to begin drawing up documents to show the $147.5 million had been invested on PIF's behalf.

A week later, RBoS's Bailey demanded details of where its money had been spent. ASIC says that of the list of 12 loans produced by Anderson, and amended by White, only three, totalling almost $53 million, related to the bank's cash.

It contends that from around early February a series of documents were created, revolving around another MSF Investments-managed fund, Maximum Yield, issuing special units to other MFS group companies that paid for them using loans from PIF ”” thus justifying the $150 million drawdown of money from RBoS.

The documents were signed and backdated, says ASIC, and created a trail that even convinced its auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers, and external lawyers, Mallesons Stephen Jaques, that there had been no breaches
 
Re: Octaviar MFS Premium Income Fund PIF

Thanks Blueboy, may the bastards rot in hell!!! How do they think the investors feel who invested money in MFS in Jan 2008? Not to mention those already being robbed. In all of this, the $50million support facility seems to be forgotten. It is quite obvious that MFS was insolvent before the RBOS loan was implemented and yet after spending millions (of OUR money) paying big money to David Anderson, Delloites, Korda Mantha etc ASIC finally gets the goods. I am sure there are thousands affected financially by the actions of these inept managers who would be happy to be living in a 'shed' at Elysium Fields Mr King!!!Seamisty
 
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Thank you Blue Boy for your effort. A lot of the contents were known to quite a few of us which we discovered by countless investigations. What I would really like to get to the bottom of what was the RE doing all this time. We have incurred many millions on apparently unsuccessful legal jaunts. Let us all hope there is some light at the end of the tunnel and ALL the people responsible for the parlous state of our fund receive their just deserts. I like many other unit holders I know are not going anywhere until the final dollar is accounted for, no matter who is responsible.
 
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Lets not forget the role of ‘Perpetual Custodians ‘in this appalling tragedy ..Its am absolute disgrace that they are even allowed to use the word, ‘Custodian’!!! .They allowed 150 million to be drawn dawn at a moments from a dedicated income fund without even as much as a ‘ hows your father” or query to ASIC as to where the money was going and what it was to be used for. . Why in Gawds name are we still paying these people millions to remain as stamp lickers? and so called registration clerks for our fund after this fiasco . I am certain we could find somebody who could do that task for a tenth of the cost, or even less ???
 
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A truly unpleasant ten minutes to read through the Age story. I agree with Jadel about Perpetual. How many of us were told in early 08 "not to worry" as PIF was "a stand alone" and Perpetual was our vigilant custodian. And to have to absorb the fact that we repaid RBO all that money is just too horrible for words to describe.
 
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Some questions which remain unanswered:

WC had a Corporations Act responsibility to advise ASIC of the misappropriation from PIF - presume this happened because of new details of ASIC's grilling of KING and White in August 08. Did WC also advise Perpetual and RBS with the view to having the remaining loan balance frozen pending ASIC and other legal action?

Who discovered the $17.5M OPI transfer by Guy Hutchings? If it wasn't WC, what does that say about the standard of monitoring of PIF accounts by WC and auditors?

If Perpetual were advised (and they certainly would have known after 26 June 2008 when lodgement of the Supreme Court action was announced) what action did they take as Custodian to secure PIF assets?

How were the loan funds cleared so quickly (same day) through the Perpetual CBA Account and who authorised the transfer at Perpetual and what reason was given?

Why did WC launch the Supreme Court action and then not proceed further?

What did the Octaviar administrators (Deloitts) do about the misappropriation other than register our claim as a debt against Octaviar?

Why did Deloitts employ David Anderson and co to assist in the winding up of Octaviar after the misappropriation was made public, and potentially allowing evidence to be tampered with?
 
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Some extracts from emails I received from MFS after the :fan from the MFS National business development manager::

'Octaviar Limited does not have a loan to PIF.
PIF does have an investment in L&L but I am not sure of the amount.
The loan to Royal Bank of Scotland is currently approximately $156 million and those funds were used to buy additional assets in PIF'


'OCV has a legally binding contract with OCVIM to pay the Support Facility to PIF'


'I have forwarded to Guy Hutchings and asked him to contact you ASAP'

'I have again gone in to see the Head of Distribution. She has escalated again to Guy.

Apparently he is working on getting out a letter today to investors and I have been told he will personally call you and a few of our large investors'


'I have sent him another email.'

'I have asked them again to give you the courtesy of a phone call.'

'I am chasing it up.'

'The assets In PIF are held by the custodian Perpetual Nominees Ltd for the investors, not MFS Ltd.'



'The unsecured notes have nothing to do with PIF and there is no liability by PIF to Challenger'

'Also Guy has been chased up again today to call you.'
'It is referring to the MFS Limited debt which is separate from PIF.'

I never received my promised ph call from Guy Hutchings and then the last email I received ::
'Thank you for your email.

If you can please direct your specific queries to this email address mail@octaviar.com.au we will ensure your queries get passed on.'

The National Business Development manager who I had dealt with personally for 10 years at MFS who was also a 'Senior Financial Advisor' refused to answer any more of my emails. It was probablly then than she realised she had been 'conned' along with the investors. I bet she rues the day she quoted::: " I was there from day one and worked closely with Chief Executive Michael King. It's a cliche but Michael taught me everything I know - the man is an inspiration"

And yes Marcom, there are many unanswered questions, and the only thing we can be certain of is that from past performance, our illustrous leader will not enlighten us. Seamisty
 
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Lets not forget the role of ‘Perpetual Custodians ‘in this appalling tragedy ..Its am absolute disgrace that they are even allowed to use the word, ‘Custodian’!!! .They allowed 150 million to be drawn dawn at a moments from a dedicated income fund without even as much as a ‘ hows your father” or query to ASIC as to where the money was going and what it was to be used for. . Why in Gawds name are we still paying these people millions to remain as stamp lickers? and so called registration clerks for our fund after this fiasco . I am certain we could find somebody who could do that task for a tenth of the cost, or even less ???

Ahhhh!!! Perpetual Nominees.
My favourite itch.
ASIC must be made aware by whatever means necessary that a definitive description MUST be formulated by them of the role, responsibilities and accountabilities of a "CUSTODIAN".
All PIFers without exception were snared by the presence of Lloyd's insurances and a custodian to guard our backs.
Tell me Jadel, could Carneys insert this into the CA proceedings to ask the court to make such determination for the benefit of the new financial environment. Any other way we could make this happen?
 
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Re sale of Mirage Resort, Gold Coast

Another $20M down the drain and an oportunity lost.

Surely an R.E. worth their salt would have found ways and means to pay out the first mortgagee on the Mirage and secure a worthwhile asset for our Fund rather than taking another giant loss.

Changes to the Constitution elicited by a miriad of threats, unrealistic promises and out right lies will not be sustainable.

The time has come for JH to honour her pledge to stand down, without penalty fee, if and when unitholders became disatisfied with her performance.

As the Fund seems to be liquidation mode why not appoint an administrator to act in the interest of unitholders.

Surely they would be more cost effective and transparent with at least occasional contact with the owners of the Fund.

As things are going .14c is looking better all the time.

We are supposed to be an action group - lets see some action and call for a vote.

Your thoughts please.
 
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Dexter, the reason JH let this one go is contained in the attached article in The Gold Coast Bulletin 19 Sept 2008: (It is on the WC site under investor and media updates)

Jenny's confident money will be repaid


The Raptis Group may owe the Premium Income Fund $55 million, but Jenny Hutson (pictured) is comfortable she will see that money repaid.

The Fund has mortgages over three Raptis assets, including the Sheraton Mirage and the Holiday Inn, with the Sheraton held through a second mortgage.

"I think we're well secured, and Jim (Raptis) is a great man," said Ms Hutson at yesterdays Premium Income Fund meeting at Broadbeach. "I am a huge Raptis supporter.

We're going to work with Jim on the three projects we are financing".

I ask has JH acted in investors best interests?
 
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Quote marcom :::"What did the Octaviar administrators (Deloitts) do about the misappropriation other than register our claim as a debt against Octaviar?

Why did Deloitts employ David Anderson and co to assist in the winding up of Octaviar after the misappropriation was made public, and potentially allowing evidence to be tampered with? ":::::::

An extract from an AFR media article 'Court replaces Deloitte at Octaviar', 10th Sept 2009 JH is quoted as saying 'My great concern is now for the 10,000 unit holders who will now have to bear, together with other creditors, the cost of a new team of advisers starting again'

It is my understanding that JH knew prior to making this statement that Deloitte had information that was required by Carney lawyers to use in the Class Action on behalf of PIF investors and that Deloitte were reluctant to cooperate and were 'frustrating' and 'impeding access to documents' as was JH herself. It is also my understanding that the lawyers still had not received cooperation from JH as of last Friday.
If the best interests of PIF unit holders were not being met by Deloittes, why would you NOT want someone in control of OCV who just might do the right thing by us!!!! As to COSTS those 10,000 PIF unit holders would have to be feeling mighty uneasy as to WHO is looking after our best interests!!!!! I am used to the smell of fish, but none as rotten as what is coming to light at long last. Seamisty
 
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Apologies for being back so soon, but it's fascinating to find that JH has made it on to YouTube. She's telling kids about moving from "me to we"*or something or other that this silly old codger couldn't quite follow. The short video, since posted in March 09, has had about 220 hits. Enjoy!

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H60lzsGvAWQ
 
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seamisty, It is now clear that the DoA saga was all about stalling off liquidation
and avoiding all the nasty consequences of inslovent trading. Protecting one's own but from having the "sale"of PIF declared as an uncommercial transaction and not wanting to see mates sued as a result of trading while insolvent, are motives which seem to have transcended responsibility to investors.

I wonder if JH was as concerned about the costs for investors when billing up $2.9M in legal cost for the year?

selciper, thanks for this amazing piece of theatrics. Two observations: Does JH live in that red jacket? And, in one of the other videos covering the results of this AIM event the chair states that the event is sponsored by....wait for it....KPMG!!!!!!!
 
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Marcom - The KPMG paradox is a hoot. Perhaps the Gods are laughing at this twist.

As regards insolvency etc, I feel that the liquidator's public hearings next year may provide a quantity of explosive moments.
 
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selciper, just replayed the youtube video again and I think you have stumbled onto something very important - starting at 5m 25sec JH tells the audience that she has just taken her management team to New Zealand for one of those team bonding exercises (moving from me to we, she explains) that involved participation in "extreme sports" including jet boating.

That management team services PIF. WHO PAID FOR THIS JUNKET!!!! Strange corporate behaviour for a RE who has not been paid for nearly 18 months!

The debate was held for International Women's Day which was 8 March 2009, a Sunday. JH says that "... this week my team has been jetboating in New Zealand... in fact last Monday..." which would have been Monday 2 March 2009.

seamisty, this is starting to smell more like MFS and Storm all over again!!!

I've kept a copy of this video as I have a feeling it may come in useful in the future.
 
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Attached is an article from "The Princes" column in the Weekend Australian Financial Review on Saturday 7 November 2009 entitled "MFS five reject such PIF piffle". I think instead of "Chris" Hutchings it should say "Guy" Hutchings; according to the article he's been through an ASIC enquiry before and came out unscathed. Hopefully, this time it will be different!
 
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Quote marcom :::"What did the Octaviar administrators (Deloitts) do about the misappropriation other than register our claim as a debt against Octaviar?

Why did Deloitts employ David Anderson and co to assist in the winding up of Octaviar after the misappropriation was made public, and potentially allowing evidence to be tampered with? ":::::::

An extract from an AFR media article 'Court replaces Deloitte at Octaviar', 10th Sept 2009 JH is quoted as saying 'My great concern is now for the 10,000 unit holders who will now have to bear, together with other creditors, the cost of a new team of advisers starting again'

It is my understanding that JH knew prior to making this statement that Deloitte had information that was required by Carney lawyers to use in the Class Action on behalf of PIF investors and that Deloitte were reluctant to cooperate and were 'frustrating' and 'impeding access to documents' as was JH herself. It is also my understanding that the lawyers still had not received cooperation from JH as of last Friday.
If the best interests of PIF unit holders were not being met by Deloittes, why would you NOT want someone in control of OCV who just might do the right thing by us!!!! As to COSTS those 10,000 PIF unit holders would have to be feeling mighty uneasy as to WHO is looking after our best interests!!!!! I am used to the smell of fish, but none as rotten as what is coming to light at long last. Seamisty


I think its about time that everyone in the PIF realises that JH and wellington are obviously not working in our best interests.
Perhaps ASIC could have some more court apperances with the very people who we were conned to trust.

What do we do now - keep waiting whilst she siphons off the rest of the fund and hides any incriminating evidence?
 
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cookie 1 I think they have got the wrong person - Guy Hutchings came from the UK and worked for Tower Financial, along with Watts. Do not think he was in Aust at that time. Shows you the standard of journalism in this country!
 
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Thanks Marcom for your research. I wonder who the article is referring to since the journalist obviously got the name wrong???
 
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