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John there has not been a X div day yet And after that comes a record day then after that the payment day the time from X div day to payment day is never less then 3 weeks WC has to give date in advance when X div date is also That is the exchange rules i believe .Well its the rules on the ASX anyway i might give them another blast Dane //Have now spoken again, and Wellington have confirmed that they still intend to make a payment as near to Oct 31 as possible. As to how much now and how much on 24th 12th, I believe that is why they are hesitant about the exact time. - I suppose it depends on how much that is due to come in, comes in.
The NSX is saying they are not aware of any payment to be made to PIF investors. The X div date must occur for a payment to happen and the record date must be 5 working days after this (inclusive). So if WC don't get on and notify the NSX today of a payment for Friday then it's not going to happen this Friday. But it's also rule of thumb for there to be two weeks between the record date and payment so WC are really falling behind.John there has not been a X div day yet And after that comes a record day then after that the payment day the time from X div day to payment day is never less then 3 weeks WC has to give date in advance when X div date is also That is the exchange rules i believe .Well its the rules on the ASX anyway i might give them another blast Dane //
J
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Hi all, can someone tell me if our $1 units now worth only 10 cents on the NSX are declared to social security at only 10 cents....so maybe wecan get some financial help from them?
Also has JH said anything about the new value of 10 cents?
Sugar,
That's a great thought! I actually had another valued PIF AG member bring this up via a phone call today.
The thought put to me was, have we seen the 10-15c value on the NSX consistently enough to ask JH to advise Centrelink (C/L) of this new value over the 45 cent C/L value recorded now?
But wouldn't it be good if investors could get the 1.5c per qtr. distribution and only get deemed or asseted @ 10-15c based capital, thus receiving more from C/L?
..What chance would most people have of achieving such a sum? It is enough to make one think WHY BOTHER busting yourself to be financially independant, you could have a good time just spending, spending, spending! all your working life, and age 65! age pension....you might have worries about how far it goes but LOOK AT US NOW!!!!! Perhaps we could lobby the government for a $15,000 "down and out pensioner" home grant, lets face it, its our taxes!!!!!!!!!!
Breaker 1
Maybe who ever put up the .45c units did not think it through and all some people have to do is accept .10c.
From my friend up the road calculations as posted previously, is means no difference as he is now back to the basic pension from below that.
So it appears unit holders with very subtational investments in PIF and other failing areas would be the only ones considering selling (and see the units traded at .10/.15c) at this point in time, just to gain some income to exist from centerlink.
Maybe fait accompli.
Regards
Splitpin
Article in The Australian by Stuart Wilson:
(note the last paragraph)
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Deposit guarantee can't please everyone
SHAREHOLDER: Stuart Wilson | October 28, 2008
THE idea of a deposit guarantee was always going to put the Government between a rock and a hard place.
The guarantee is necessary because, like it or not, we are in a global financial marketplace. The know-it-alls that are criticising the decision to offer a guarantee are ignoring the fact that others, including Britain and several European countries, had already stepped up to the plate. This effectively took the decision away from us. Imagine where the Australian dollar would be now if there was no guarantee -- the fund outflows from Australian banks would be similar to, but on a much grander scale than, those being experienced by mortgage trusts right now.
There was always going to be an issue over which investments fell under the guarantee and which were left out in the cold.
Australia has had a robust and highly competitive finance industry for many years. That competition has led to product differentiation resulting in a spectrum of investments people can choose from with different risk and return combinations.
That means that wherever the Government draws the line, there will be a bunch of investments that just miss out on the guarantee, and will whinge about it. Their complaints will centre on the fact that the guarantee has materially changed their risk profile, and that this will in turn see an increase in redemptions.
Mortgage trusts are one of the asset classes that fall just outside the guarantee, and reports are filtering through that up to $25 billion worth of these funds have already been frozen -- all to stop a mass exodus in favour of guaranteed products. Within a week this could easily spread to all mortgage funds. Why wouldn't it?
This does not automatically mean that the Government should extend the guarantee to these funds, because there will always be those on the wrong side of the line drawn in the sand.
There are a number of property funds that have suspended redemptions for the very same reason as the mortgage trusts, including some provided by Mirvac and Macquarie Bank. Should the guarantee be extended to them, too, using the same logic? What about listed property trusts, which simply have a different structure? It is easy to see the danger of having a creeping guarantee.
The mortgage trusts need to look elsewhere to find a solution to their predicament. Some, such as Axa, Colonial First State and Perpetual, have relatively strong issuers behind them. Perhaps, for a fee of its own, the manager's parent could offer its own guarantee to stem the tide of outflows. They could even consider short-term funding in order to facilitate a smooth redemption process.
But perhaps they should avoid any inclination to follow the Octaviar Premium Income Fund down the road of making the fund close-ended and listing on a minor stock exchange. Investors who fell for the manager's line that this would provide liquidity and give their fund a better alternative to liquidation, are unlikely to confront the truth -- there has been just $900 worth of trades since the fund listed two weeks ago. If they were to sell at market now, they would receive just 10c in the dollar, if they are quick.
Stuart Wilson is the chief executive of the Australian Shareholders Association
----------end of article-------------
direct link: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24561201-36418,00.html
Article in The Australian by Stuart Wilson:
(note the last paragraph)
---------------------------------
Deposit guarantee can't please everyone
SHAREHOLDER: Stuart Wilson | October 28, 2008
THE idea of a deposit guarantee was always going to put the Government between a rock and a hard place.
The guarantee is necessary because, like it or not, we are in a global financial marketplace. The know-it-alls that are criticising the decision to offer a guarantee are ignoring the fact that others, including Britain and several European countries, had already stepped up to the plate. This effectively took the decision away from us. Imagine where the Australian dollar would be now if there was no guarantee -- the fund outflows from Australian banks would be similar to, but on a much grander scale than, those being experienced by mortgage trusts right now.
There was always going to be an issue over which investments fell under the guarantee and which were left out in the cold.
Australia has had a robust and highly competitive finance industry for many years. That competition has led to product differentiation resulting in a spectrum of investments people can choose from with different risk and return combinations.
That means that wherever the Government draws the line, there will be a bunch of investments that just miss out on the guarantee, and will whinge about it. Their complaints will centre on the fact that the guarantee has materially changed their risk profile, and that this will in turn see an increase in redemptions.
Mortgage trusts are one of the asset classes that fall just outside the guarantee, and reports are filtering through that up to $25 billion worth of these funds have already been frozen -- all to stop a mass exodus in favour of guaranteed products. Within a week this could easily spread to all mortgage funds. Why wouldn't it?
This does not automatically mean that the Government should extend the guarantee to these funds, because there will always be those on the wrong side of the line drawn in the sand.
There are a number of property funds that have suspended redemptions for the very same reason as the mortgage trusts, including some provided by Mirvac and Macquarie Bank. Should the guarantee be extended to them, too, using the same logic? What about listed property trusts, which simply have a different structure? It is easy to see the danger of having a creeping guarantee.
The mortgage trusts need to look elsewhere to find a solution to their predicament. Some, such as Axa, Colonial First State and Perpetual, have relatively strong issuers behind them. Perhaps, for a fee of its own, the manager's parent could offer its own guarantee to stem the tide of outflows. They could even consider short-term funding in order to facilitate a smooth redemption process.
But perhaps they should avoid any inclination to follow the Octaviar Premium Income Fund down the road of making the fund close-ended and listing on a minor stock exchange. Investors who fell for the manager's line that this would provide liquidity and give their fund a better alternative to liquidation, are unlikely to confront the truth -- there has been just $900 worth of trades since the fund listed two weeks ago. If they were to sell at market now, they would receive just 10c in the dollar, if they are quick.
Stuart Wilson is the chief executive of the Australian Shareholders Association
----------end of article-------------
direct link: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24561201-36418,00.html
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