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Well my complaint to ASIC today seems rather tame in comparison!!!QUT picket line outside the WC office today. WC provided complimentary bottled water to the chanting students.
Those people there were not PIF Unit Holders Any one with half a brain could see that if they were there But nice try who ever wanted it but it has backfired badley ///Perhaps 'the rent a crowd' was in fact the PIFI in disguise, haviing seen the error of their ways, trying to make amends for the potential backlash from their actions. But no, it wasn't, just some very concerned PIF holders trying to undo some damage. I'm afraid even with my warped sense of humour, I find nothing funny about this Thealosituation.:nono:Seamisty
goldfinger 38 et al regarding the PIFI LETTER which I have just received today.
In addition to possible breaches of Privacy legislation I decided to refresh my knowledge of various sections of the Corporations Act namely S177 so I pulled up the section on the screen and guess what happened - the phone rang and it was an efficient ASIC Officer returning my call to complain about their action in relation to the WC meeting. He explained that ASIC are not seeking to delay the meeting they simply believe that unitholders should have more information on which to base their decision. Fair enough.
Hi Marcom,
I wasnt saying it was right what they did and yes when I got the letter myself I was not happy to say the least, I was just providing information on how they got unitholders information, the use of the information to do what they did was not right as I agree with you an that front.
But from the reaction it brought about it looks as though it do not do their cause any good and probably created more negativity towards their group.
This is my first post to this thread after some months of observation.
I had a substantial "investment" in what is the PIF that is now valued (by Wellington) at +/-40% of my investment value. However, the immediate value is 14% which is the value at which I hold the "investment" on my books. I feel that this "Jenny struggles to get value reduced to $0.43 for pensioners" is a load of codswallop. If "Jenny" had any feeling for pensioners then the value would have been pushed at $0.14. An analogy is the valuation of shares. When I bought ANZ last year the "value" was what I could get by selling them on ASX that day, say $30.00, but the value today is what I can sell them for today, say $16.00, and not some Dreamworld Wellington price of $0.43 for the PIF in 5 years time. The true value, today, of the PIF units is $0.14 (or whatever is immediately realisable) NOT the price in 5 years time. If I applied Wellington's logic to ANZ shares then I'd be valuing them at $40.
I see no sense in handing Hutson the keys to $413m. without ever being able to withdraw my funds other than by going through some Mickey Mouse stock exchange in return for $0.06 a unit p.a. plus a possible capital repayment whenever Wellington feels like it. Perhaps I'm wrong but Hutson, her husband, and Chris Scott et al are too closely entwined to be trusted with my money. The NSX has the potential to hand "whoever" control of $400 m. for 20% of that figure.
I would like to see the PIF put into administration to be managed by someone like PriceWaterhouseCoopers with a view to orderly closure of the fund by, say, June 30 2013. This won't be appealing to the "Lady In Red" but it's the only way I'd be happy with.
If Wellington does retain control of the PIF then I recommend you buy a large economy sized jar of KY Jelly 'cause you're gonna get screwed and you'll need something to ease the pain.
ASIC's actions upset investors:::::Nick Nichols
September 16th, 2008
A SPLIT in the ranks of Premium Income Fund investors spilled on to the streets of Brisbane yesterday.
The Australian Securities and Investments Commission has responded to concerns by some investors that Wellington Capital, headed by Jenny Hutson, was not acting in the best interests of unit-holders, many of them elderly, who poured $770 million into the fund when it was under the control of MFS.
Wellington has proposed a listing to allow cash-strapped investors to sell their units in an open market, but PIF Initiative has argued the price would be at a sharp discount to the fund's value.
Ms Hutson, Wellington's executive director, has said the fund, which has a $55 million exposure to the Raptis Group, was valued at 45c in the dollar as a going concern.Liquidation would only deliver unit-holders 14c in the dollar, she said.
This Thursday's meeting, which will draw investors from as far as Japan, has been called to vote on whether the fund should continue as a going concern and whether Wellington Capital can proceed with its plan to recover all investor funds over the next three to five years.
``They just want stability in their life.''
The 43-year-old businessman who said he was invested `substantially' in the fund, said ASIC would better serve investors by investigating the activities of the previous management of the fund
"What's disappointing from our perspective is that ASIC has left this really late,'' said Ms Hutson.
She said Wellington had provided ASIC with all materials requested at the end of a series of investor forums in July and it had been `well considered' by investors since then.
Ms Hutson said Wellington's planned resumption of distributions to investors, who have been told they will receive a total of 3c a unit by Christmas, was also in jeopardy following ASIC's actions.
One Sydney investor, who would only identify himself as Javier, yesterday slammed ASIC's actions and backed Wellington's plans for the fund.
"ASIC has intervened to the detriment of investors,'' he said.
Javier said investors have `had enough'.
Please all note that Lonsec has yesterday released a Research Report that recommends that Unit Holders vote in favour of the 3 resolutions.
This is from an independant research house.
Regards,
Buffy99
I also asked about Raptis, and the buiding that has come up with problems and a liquidator has been appointed has nothing directly to do with us. We (PIF) have NO direct exposure to that particular development. Just another example of inaccurate reporting by the media.
That would explain why when I tried to research the Raptis link, the only connection I could find was with MFS Diversified Group. Seamisty
I am sure that someone said earlier the PIF DONT have any direct exposure to the RAPTIS group and that is wasd the Diversified Fund which had the exposure, can someone please reclarify that point, just goes to show you they still cannot get their facts right.
ASIC's actions upset investors:::::Nick Nichols
September 16th, 2008
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Ms Hutson, Wellington's executive director, has said the fund, which has a $55 million exposure to the Raptis Group,....<SNIP>.....
I said when I tried to research the loan the only connection I could find was with MFS diversified. Can't you read? Obviously the PIF does have a large exposure to the Raptis Group. Perhaps some of the posters on here with superior intellect should have been able to pick this up earlier. I have absolutely no doubt that it would have been plastered on here by now if it was common knowledge. I am sure there will be a few more disasters like this unfold which are going to need serious legal attention in the recovery of some loans. Obviously that need and the expertise has already been recognised in the LOnsec report. SeamistyAnd Seamisty quoting Nick Nichols from today's GC Bulletin:
Seamisty and Maverick. Care to explain?
Has JH been fibbing?
Based on the previous observation, I wonder why this 'maverick' thinks that ASIC's action is to the detriment of investors?
Well I have been privy to see emails from investors that are in real dire straits suffering from terminal cancer that NEED this 3c distribution, they are actually sweating on the first 1.5c next month to buy expensive medication and treatment just to make their life tolarable.
You may have the luxury of taking as much time as it takes to seek 'alternatives' that don't exist, but to the many long suffering people, they don't. So yes ASIC by this action is of HUGE detriment my friend!!
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