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COULD THIS EXPLAIN THE RUSSIAN CONFLICT?




Putin recognises Ukraine rebel regions as independent

https://www.investing.com/news/stoc...ns-for-summit-with-biden-over-ukraine-2768290

interesting is the clear help Russia is giving in evacuating Ukrainian refugees , the $64 million question is , will those refugees be welcomed as permanent citizens if they chose to settle ( Russia has been making concrete steps to increase it's population , naturally and artificially
 
somehow not an 'invasion ' when the West brings in 'official advisers ' ( to train troops and civilians )

but the Ukrainian Government was increasing the shelling , the other outcomes could be much worse ( like the rebel launch a counter-offensive or break-out attack ).. they DO have plenty of tanks and missile batteries of their own , courtesy of their Soviet past
 
i am sure the rebels were happy their families were whisked away to safety , the question might be do , the rebels welcome the Russian peace-keeping force , or do the Russians return home relieving the rebels of any former agreements imposed on them ( by the Russians )

but the Ukrainians already have some very unusual guests , which the media rarely report on
 
The fog of war.

Pan out.

Ole Joe Biden has had family financial interests in the Ukraine and Vladimir Vladimirovich looks forward to a place in Russian history.

The Europeans and NATO are paralysed. The USA is a fractured empire.

Who do you reckon is going to win?

gg
 
tech/a said:
You don't want to take on the most dangerous people on earth ---- The USA.

It can become a presidential democratic Dictatorship in minutes!
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Article on gas supplies and pipeline from Russia to Europe.
Makes very interesting reading.


www.theguardian.com

Nord Stream 2: how Putin’s pipeline paralysed the west

Gazprom’s $11bn project to deliver gas from Russia to Germany seems impossible to abandon and impossible to carry forward
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Gunnetguy
 
Ukraine: EU foreign ministers and US announce sanctions against Russian banks and individuals;

A day after Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree recognising the independence of the separatist-controlled Donetsk and Luhansk regions in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas area, state media reported Russia’s upper chamber of parliament approved the use of armed forces outside of the country, according to CNN.
The European Union foreign ministers agreed on Tuesday to a sanction package to include “351 members of the Russian State Duma who voted for the recognition of the so-called LPR and DPR” and 27 Russian individuals and entities, according to High Representative Josep Borell Fontelles. US President Joe Biden announced a "first tranche" of sanctions against two financial institutions, in addition to existing sanctions. He also said the US will be sending troops to the Baltic states to assist NATO allies.

Next steps: President Biden "reiterated that the United States would respond swiftly and decisively, in lockstep with its allies and partners, to further Russian aggression against Ukraine." The developments may also torpedo a last-minute summit with Biden, which was arranged by French President Emmanuel Macron over the weekend. The White House said it was prepared to meet with Putin "in principle" - if Moscow refrained from further invading Ukraine - but U.S. officials said they can no longer commit to a gathering that has a "predicate that Russia won't take military action, when it looks as imminently like it will." (1 comment)
 
The world wide economic implications of open war in Ukraine are going to be grim. Just off the top of my head

1) Squeeze of Russian gas supplies to Europe. Price jumps, Industry and domestic crisis with supply
2) Undermining of Ukraine role as a major world food supplier. It is the bread basket of Europe
3) Racketing of oil/gas prices as Russian oil comes off the market and supplies interrupted through Ukraine. Already causing infation . Can only get worse
4) Disruption to banking services .
5) High risk of cyber warfare that undermines many government, and infrastructure facilities
6) Risk of undermining Ukraine economically with implications for sovereign debt as well as local and international businesses.

I can only see these factors putting downward pressure on sharemakets as investors recognise these situations.

So from an investment POV ...:thumbsdown:
 
Stockybailz said:
Ukraine: EU foreign ministers and US announce sanctions against Russian banks and individuals;

A day after Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree recognising the independence of the separatist-controlled Donetsk and Luhansk regions in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas area, state media reported Russia’s upper chamber of parliament approved the use of armed forces outside of the country, according to CNN.
The European Union foreign ministers agreed on Tuesday to a sanction package to include “351 members of the Russian State Duma who voted for the recognition of the so-called LPR and DPR” and 27 Russian individuals and entities, according to High Representative Josep Borell Fontelles. US President Joe Biden announced a "first tranche" of sanctions against two financial institutions, in addition to existing sanctions. He also said the US will be sending troops to the Baltic states to assist NATO allies.

Next steps: President Biden "reiterated that the United States would respond swiftly and decisively, in lockstep with its allies and partners, to further Russian aggression against Ukraine." The developments may also torpedo a last-minute summit with Biden, which was arranged by French President Emmanuel Macron over the weekend. The White House said it was prepared to meet with Putin "in principle" - if Moscow refrained from further invading Ukraine - but U.S. officials said they can no longer commit to a gathering that has a "predicate that Russia won't take military action, when it looks as imminently like it will." (1 comment)
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The world will do and has done nothing meaningful here. A few sanctions here and there (which will ultimately be insignificant and useless) won't stop putin if putin wants to walk in and take Ukraine or parts of Ukraine. Those who get sanctioned know they are on the list of likely to be sanctioned and manage their assets accordingly. Can you still buy IPhones and use twitter in Russia? If the answer is yes then these sanctions are a joke. Surely google can deactivate android across all of Russia if they really wanted to... Sanctions are always weak as piss and never work. Trudeau hit the trucker protesters harder than Biden hit the Russians.

The only thing the western politicians care about is how they can use this to manipulate the market and make a few $$$ on their various holdings.
 
basilio said:
How could Russia attack Australia ?

Retaliating to sanctions with cyber attacks on infrastructure. Or just encouraging their local cyber criminals to have a free kick.

www.abc.net.au

'Behaving like thugs and bullies': Australia imposes sanctions on Russia over Ukraine invasion

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says Australia will join other western nations to impose sanctions on Russian "bullies", after its government began moving troops into Ukraine.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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sell more commodities to China in a currency that is NOT US dollars , i believe there is a direct goods swap agreement already in place , expanding that is possible as well ,

no fancy stuff needed , reduced demand for Australian exports ( by supplying more )

a more provocative tactic would more naval traffic outside Australian territorial waters keeping our coastal defenses stressed and stretched and not ignoring the South Pacific Islands for friendly visits

of course Russia back-tracking to be more accommodative of crypto currencies ( including bitcoin mining ) won't help Australia either

now obviously if this war gets physical i wouldn't want to be anywhere near Pine Gap or the Darwin ports
 
The Triangle said:
The world will do and has done nothing meaningful here. A few sanctions here and there (which will ultimately be insignificant and useless) won't stop putin if putin wants to walk in and take Ukraine or parts of Ukraine. Those who get sanctioned know they are on the list of likely to be sanctioned and manage their assets accordingly. Can you still buy IPhones and use twitter in Russia? If the answer is yes then these sanctions are a joke. Surely google can deactivate android across all of Russia if they really wanted to... Sanctions are always weak as piss and never work. Trudeau hit the trucker protesters harder than Biden hit the Russians.

The only thing the western politicians care about is how they can use this to manipulate the market and make a few $$$ on their various holdings.
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You are mostly correct; sanctions do very little to persuade tyrants.

Yesterday, when some world leaders said that they would discuss, overnight, which sanctions to put in place I laughed. They have been threatening sanctions for weeks, and yet they had not prepared to slap Russia with sanctions as the army crossed the border.

Stopping all international products, such as the iPhone entering Russia, will not work when there re other countries like China that can supply anything that the West takes away.

Other than a direct military response from NATO, the USA and her allies, there is not much more that can be done. And attacking Russian troops will cause a European war, it could also prompt China to get involved.

Citizens of the West are not prepared to send their children to battle, and are definitely not willing to have a war.
 
Russia does make their own phones , sure they are quirky and fold over and don't have cinema quality cameras ( unless they are working for intelligence ) but a lot of Russians do manual jobs they don't need to look pretty on face-time

and the second option is China who makes an array of adequate phones
 

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