War threat in Ukraine

[waterbottle]

Tell it to those people, this is what is criminal

You think jeopardising the lives of 7+ billion people is less criminal?

 

[againsthegrain]

You think jeopardising the lives of 7+ billion people is less criminal?

Not doing anything might be making it worse then taking a stand.

 

[waterbottle]

Not doing anything might be making it worse then taking a stand.

I'm not advocating for standing by and doing nothing.

I'm advocating for a diplomatic solution that ends fighting ASAP. The primary motivation for this war was NATO encroaching on Russia's western border. A pledge by Ukraine to remain neutral will go further than any armament resupply that's likely to prolong the war and risk an escalation.

 

[JohnDe]

You think jeopardising the lives of 7+ billion people is less criminal?

That's almost the same wording that many world leaders said during the 1930's. Well done, great to see you keeping up

 

[againsthegrain]

I'm not advocating for standing by and doing nothing.

I'm advocating for a diplomatic solution that ends fighting ASAP. The primary motivation for this war was NATO encroaching on Russia's western border. A pledge by Ukraine to remain neutral will go further than any armament resupply that's likely to prolong the war and risk an escalation.

Ukraine and the whole Eastern bloc has been bullied by russia for 100s of years. Diplomatic solutions were never honoured, e.g when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons. How and why would Ukrianians especially now have faith in any word russia says. Also why does russia get to dictate to Ukraine what to do? They are a free country to do what they want, join nato join the chess club if they want.

 

[bsnews]

At some point you must make a stand be it diplomatic or with arms.
Unless you can pick up a phone and talk to parties involved, none of us have any idea what started this.

 

[waterbottle]

That's almost the same wording that many world leaders said during the 1930's. Well done, great to see you keeping up

Sounds like you're still stuck there.

Have you forgotten about nuclear weapons? They came after the 30s.

Not sure why people are so keen to risk other's lives when there have been countless wars post-2000 that haven't received the same amount of attention despite a greater humanitarian impact.

Are you facing some sort of existential crisis? Is your home being threatened? Have you been starved or tortured? Or are you advocating for nuclear war/ww3 from a comofrtable office? Are you going to sign up to fight if there's an escalation?

 

[waterbottle]

Ukraine and the whole Eastern bloc has been bullied by russia for 100s of years. Diplomatic solutions were never honoured, e.g when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons. How and why would Ukrianians especially now have faith in any word russia says. Also why does russia get to dictate to Ukraine what to do? They are a free country to do what they want, join nato join the chess club if they want.

They are free to make whatever choice they want and in turn reap whatever reward or consequence.

No country lives in a vacuum. This is reality.

Ukraine has been screwed by multiple countries, not just Russia. Ukraine only now being thought about as an EU country as tanks are about to storm the capital. Seriously?
Of course Russia is an aggressor, so is the US, so is China, so is the EU when it comes to protecting their interests. So what?

Let Ukraine fight whatever war they want to fight. Just don't drag my country into it when a simpler solution is on the table..

 

[JohnDe]

Sounds like you're still stuck there.

Have you forgotten about nuclear weapons? They came after the 30s.

Not sure why people are so keen to risk other's lives when there have been countless wars post-2000 that haven't received the same amount of attention despite a greater humanitarian impact.

Are you facing some sort of existential crisis? Is your home being threatened? Have you been starved or tortured? Or are you advocating for nuclear war/ww3 from a comofrtable office? Are you going to sign up to fight if there's an escalation?

Yes, History was one of my subjects.

There is always some weapon that puts fear into people, war is a weapon, the fear of poisonous gas attacks from WWI was a huge fear on its own.

Are you suggesting that world leaders allow countries with nuclear weapons the freedom to do anything they wish?

 

[waterbottle]

Yes, History was one of my subjects.

There is always some weapon that puts fear into people, war is a weapon, the fear of poisonous gas attacks from WWI was a huge fear on its own.

Are you suggesting that world leaders allow countries with nuclear weapons the freedom to do anything they wish?

No, but if you want to walk into the mushroom cloud be my guest.

 

[JohnDe]

No, but if you want to walk into the mushroom cloud be my guest.

Your answer tells me that you will allow a country with nuclear weapons to do anything they want because of your fear of the bomb. The same reason that during the 1930's that Germany and Japan invaded countries while most of the world turned a blind eye - fear.

I am proud to be part of the world population that is fearful of the consequences but understand that we must stand up to war mongers and insanity.

 

[waterbottle]

Your answer tells me that you will allow a country with nuclear weapons to do anything they want because of your fear of the bomb. The same reason that during the 1930's that Germany and Japan invaded countries while most of the world turned a blind eye - fear.

I am proud to be part of the world population that is fearful of the consequences but understand that we must stand up to war mongers and insanity.

You can extrapolate whatever you want to justify a delusion.

 

[JohnDe]

You can extrapolate whatever you want to justify a delusion.

OK, so you do agree that world leaders must stand up to countries with nuclear weapons, stand up and demand that they follow world rules and desist from war and murder?

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Key Takeaways - 16 March

• Russia is deploying reserves from Armenia and South Ossetia and cohering new battalion tactical groups (BTGs) from the remnants of units lost early in the invasion. These reinforcements will likely face equal or greater command and logistics difficulties to current frontline Russian units.
• President Zelensky created a new joint military-civilian headquarters responsible for the defense of Kyiv on March 15.
• Russian forces conducted several failed attacks northwest of Kyiv and no offensive operations northeast of Kyiv on March 16.
• Russian forces continue to shell civilian areas of Kharkiv, but will be unlikely to force the city to surrender without encircling it—which Russian forces appear unable to achieve.
• Russian forces continued to reduce the Mariupol pocket on March 16. Russian forces continue to commit war crimes in the city, targeting refugees and civilian infrastructure.
• Ukrainian Forces claimed to have killed the commander of the 8th Combined Arms Army’s 150th Motor Rifle Division near Mariupol on March 15. If confirmed, Miyaev would be the fourth Russian general officer killed in Ukraine; his death would be a major blow to the 150th Motor Rifle Division, Russia’s principal maneuver unit in Donbas.
• Russian warships shelled areas of Odesa Oblast on March 16 but Russian Naval Infantry remain unlikely to conduct an unsupported amphibious landing

 

[waterbottle]

OK, so you do agree that world leaders must stand up to countries with nuclear weapons, stand up and demand that they follow world rules and desist from war and murder?

I've already described my position.

You've taken the option of escalation with the threat of irreversible global damage when a simpler solution exists for a regional problem.

This is an irrational position. There is no point trying to discuss this with you.

 

[Logique2]

'Ukraine and the Great Energy Reset
If there were ever a time for energy realism, it is now.'
Mark P. Mills: March 7, 2022

Ukraine and the Great Energy Reset

Elon Musk is back in the news. In a tweet heard ’round the world, he stated a simple truth related to the Ukraine war: “Hate to say it, but we need to increase oil & gas output immediately.” The analogous truth—hate to say it—is that the Biden administration is right: banning and sanctioning...

www.city-journal.org

"Elon Musk is back in the news. In a tweet heard ’round the world, he stated a simple truth related to the Ukraine war: 'Hate to say it, but we need to increase oil & gas output immediately.'... The energy policies of the past two decades have utterly failed to chart a path toward a future free of hydrocarbons—and more critically, free of dependencies on regimes unfriendly to the West..."

Germany is reported in the media to be looking at bringing some of their coal-fired electricity plants back online (to minimize dependence on Russian gas).

A more sensible timeline towards Net Zero.. It's all that Bjorn Lomborg and many others have ever said. ..Lomborg was then run out of Australia, by a small number of academic institutions.

 

[waterbottle]

'Ukraine and the Great Energy Reset
If there were ever a time for energy realism, it is now.'
Mark P. Mills: March 7, 2022

Ukraine and the Great Energy Reset

Elon Musk is back in the news. In a tweet heard ’round the world, he stated a simple truth related to the Ukraine war: “Hate to say it, but we need to increase oil & gas output immediately.” The analogous truth—hate to say it—is that the Biden administration is right: banning and sanctioning...

www.city-journal.org

"Elon Musk is back in the news. In a tweet heard ’round the world, he stated a simple truth related to the Ukraine war: 'Hate to say it, but we need to increase oil & gas output immediately.'... The energy policies of the past two decades have utterly failed to chart a path toward a future free of hydrocarbons—and more critically, free of dependencies on regimes unfriendly to the West..."

Germany is reported in the media to be looking at bringing some of their coal-fired electricity plants back online (to minimize dependence on Russian gas).

A more sensible timeline towards Net Zero.. It's all that Bjorn Lomborg and many others have ever said. ..Lomborg was then run out of Australia, by a small number of academic institutions.

Where are they going to get the coal from?

 

[wayneL]

Interesting exchange ^^

From my traders perspective I have always looked at things from a risk-reward proposition, but also an attitude of "Apocalypse Never".

IOW the question I have always asked myself is what is my risk of ruin... And believe me, I have answered that question incorrectly in the past with that risk of ruin coming from somewhere completely unexpected.

So here is the question that I have with regards to the current situation what is the risk of ruin of probably most of the population of humans on the planet and the entire ecosystem?

Nuclear winter anyone? You, know, just to finally finish off most of the rest of us that survive a conflagration, not to mention most of the flora and fauna on our planet.

FFS, can we rely on the psychopathic narcissists who run our world not to go there if prodded just that little bit too much?

Take a closer look at these maniacs in power (not just Putin) and try to tell me that we are not right at this very moment perilously close to annihilation.

So maybe it just might be a good idea for all concerned, including we plebeians, to back off the belligerence.

Life on earth may just depend on it.

 

[JohnDe]

Interesting exchange ^^

From my traders perspective I have always looked at things from a risk-reward proposition, but also an attitude of "Apocalypse Never".

IOW the question I have always asked myself is what is my risk of ruin... And believe me, I have answered that question incorrectly in the past with that risk of ruin coming from somewhere completely unexpected.

So here is the question that I have with regards to the current situation what is the risk of ruin of probably most of the population of humans on the planet and the entire ecosystem?

Nuclear winter anyone? You, know, just to finally finish off most of the rest of us that survive a conflagration, not to mention most of the flora and fauna on our planet.

FFS, can we rely on the psychopathic narcissists who run our world not to go there if prodded just that little bit too much?

Take a closer look at these maniacs in power (not just Putin) and try to tell me that we are not right at this very moment perilously close to annihilation.

So maybe it just might be a good idea for all concerned, including we plebeians, to back off the belligerence.

Life on earth may just depend on it.

Not sure what planet you've been living on but my planet Earth has a species called humans, which have fought battles and wars for millennia. The longest stretch of peace started after WWII, when all the nations got together and agreed on rules to try and stop anymore world wars, this included Nato. Yes there has been wars and battles, but nothing to compare to those that stretched through Europe even before WWI.

There is only one "psychopathic narcissists" (maybe two) in charge of a country with a huge military force designed for attack and with a nuclear arsenal.

I also have run my life and business on a 'risk-reward proposition', unlike you I have had no failures. I have had a couple of close encounters with my life, as a younger more foolish person, but life lessons have taught me well. My business and investments have been successful, so far. My marriage and adult children are all happy and healthy. My children are now successfully employed and preparing for their 'risk-reward' life.

One thing I have learnt during my time in business, is to use people trained in areas that I am not, and to research before committing. World politics is the same, we have elected leaders and paid bureaucrats and diplomats to study and follow world issues and make the best decision they can at the time.

 

[Stockbailx]

I've already described my position.

You've taken the option of escalation with the threat of irreversible global damage when a simpler solution exists for a regional problem.

This is an irrational position. There is no point trying to discuss this with you.

I don't know weather to bye you a beer or just give you a bottle of water for sanity...I agree magic mushee's ain't the best outcome and solves nothing but tells the tail of rich corrupt world leaders, with no idea of world peace and a correct diplomacy.

I don't believe Putin's got any nuclear bombs and if he did he wouldn't use them giving the life he lives and the bounty it would put on his head! Biden and Putin are the same sort of heresy Putin, for starting mass destruction and destroying civilization as the Ukrainian know it.
Biden for destroying everything that Nato stands for. By talking them out of supplying air support, for the stupid assumption of a so called WW3, what bull****.

If there was a WW3, which i doubt it. The powers of East Europe (Germany Poland etc ) UK USA AUST would win. Hang Putin and Russia's diplomacy by neck and drop a bomb on his head. Solve everything. Then we take china by the scruff of the neck. Although note if you get ride of the monarchy, you might find that even though their doing nothing wrong.

if their to be a war to end all wars disable Russia.