War threat in Ukraine

[Smurf1976]

When I listen to this song now I think about the Brave Ukrainian people, I feel almost every lyrics represents how they must be feeling.

What was the song? The video has been removed....

If I was to pick a song to sum the whole situation up though it would be "Civil War" (Guns N' Roses).

The lyrics hit the nail on the head about the whole concept of war and it's sadly just as relevant now as it was back in 1991 when it was recorded.

 

[noirua]

Who is Volodymyr Zelenskyy's wife, Olena Zelenska, Ukraine's first lady?

Olena Zelenska was originally a writer for a comedy troupe that led to Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s rise to fame in “Servant of the People.”

www.foxnews.com

"I will not have panic and tears," she wrote on Instagram. "I will be calm and confident. My children are looking at me. I will be next to them. And next to my husband. And with you."

 

[Value Collector]

What was the song? The video has been removed....

If I was to pick a song to sum the whole situation up though it would be "Civil War" (Guns N' Roses).

The lyrics hit the nail on the head about the whole concept of war and it's sadly just as relevant now as it was back in 1991 when it was recorded.

 

[basilio]

I hope you're right Bass, but please save us from the accusations of peanut galleries, regarding Biden, after the 4 years and millions of peanut posts regarding Trump.

Donald Trump is lying, criminal , traitorous piece of merde who has systematically undermined respect for democracy across the US and around the world. I said as much in the first posts I made about Trump and 5 years experience has just verified my comments.

 

[noirua]

I suppose reality for us to imagine in this Ukraine battle is going to our children's bedrooms or that of relatives and finding parts of their bodies blown off and their heads caved in. Your house smashed to bits, putting what belonging we have in a car and heading off hopefully for another abode.

 

[moXJO]

Donald Trump is lying, criminal , traitorous piece of merde who has systematically undermined respect for democracy across the US and around the world. I said as much in the first posts I made about Trump and 5 years experience has just verified my comments.

Yes we all know you cray cray for Trump. Lets keep it in general.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Media people have taught us as they broadcast from the besieged capital of Ukraine, after the “k” it’s nothing but a long “e” before you reach the “v”.

At least that’s how they’ll tell you to pronounce it in Ukraine. Because in Vladimir Putin’s homeland, they call it “Kiev”, a transliteration from the Russian. So if you’re pro-Russia, it’s Kiev; if you’re backing Ukraine, it’s Kyiv.

 

[xris]

I suppose reality for us to imagine in this Ukraine battle is going to our children's bedrooms or that of relatives and finding parts of their bodies blown off and their heads caved in. Your house smashed to bits, putting what belonging we have in a car and heading off hopefully for another abode.

This happens in every armed conflict/war:
and comes under the heading of 'Collateral Damage/Friendly Fire'

Something that is best depicted in the game of "Chess"
Everything/piece is expendable, to protect the King
the first to go/be sacrificed are ALWAYS the pawns (soldiers)
then it's a toss up between the Bishops and Knights
then the Rooks/Castles and the Queen:
Though some strategists would sacrifice a Rook/Castle or a Queen to get to/checkmate the King earlier.

I'm no historian but have lived long enough to conclude that the greatest casualties and price in such conflicts is often extracted from the non-aggressive, non-military populace: which says a lot about peoples attitude and interpretation of "thou shalt not kill"

 

[noirua]

This happens in every armed conflict/war:
and comes under the heading of 'Collateral Damage/Friendly Fire'

Something that is best depicted in the game of "Chess"
Everything/piece is expendable, to protect the King
the first to go/be sacrificed are ALWAYS the pawns (soldiers)
then it's a toss up between the Bishops and Knights
then the Rooks/Castles and the Queen:
Though some strategists would sacrifice a Rook/Castle or a Queen to get to/checkmate the King earlier.

I'm no historian but have lived long enough to conclude that the greatest casualties and price in such conflicts is often extracted from the non-aggressive, non-military populace: which says a lot about peoples attitude and interpretation of "thou shalt not kill"

A game of chess may not be the right way to describe a war. Those I met who played chess a lot seemed to spend hours locked away in their own world for hours and dare anyone interrupt them and bring on world war III if their board is tipped over. A big difference between the real and a fabricable war.

 

[noirua]

Russian TV RT has today been halted in the UK. It states onscreen that transmission is suspended.

 

[xris]

Definitions do matter, otherwise what is the point of language?

As for opinions and approval, every Australian government has won the opportunity by having a majority of MPs elected, each MP wins their seat by having more votes than their opponent.

The leader of a political party is elected by the members of the party, that leader then becomes Prime Minister if the party wins enough seats.

Thanks for the History lesson on Australian Democracy:
My recollection is that an UNELECTED Figurehead was able to Sack/Dismiss a (TWICE) democratically elected PM/Govt (Whitlam).
Such is the "English Version" of democracy we have in this country.
But certainly not my understanding of the definition of Democracy in any language.
Hence my conclusion of an "Elected Dictator" (all those PM's that have involved us/Aust in someone else's war).

Think about it (if you can) from the indigenous point of view:
The English came, invaded, killed/raped/enslaved, occupied, annexed, desecrated and rule: THEIR country and Their Future!!!
and there's absolutely nothing they (the indigenous inhabitants/owners) can do about it, militarily or politically because, they have been reduced to a very small minority.

Another example: remember David Hicks?
Though not your model law abiding church going citizen: was an Australian Citizen who was detained, abused, tortured etc in Guantanamo Bay by the Democratic USA, for 5 yrs without any formal charges for 3yrs. On SUSPICION!!
So much for that Democratic Tenet of INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY.

Meanwhile other well know criminals both in USA and Australia were left roaming the streets, free to continue committing their crimes ;
Theft, Extortion, Drug Trafficking and Murder. (Moran, Pettingill, Williams, Gatto, Gangitano):
Not exactly a democratic or popular decision.

 

[xris]

Thanks for the History lesson on Australian Democracy:
My recollection is that an UNELECTED Figurehead was able to Sack/Dismiss a (TWICE) democratically elected PM/Govt (Whitlam).
Such is the "English Version" of democracy we have in this country.
But certainly not my understanding of the definition of Democracy in any language.
Hence my conclusion of an "Elected Dictator" (all those PM's that have involved us/Aust in someone else's war).

Think about it (if you can) from the indigenous point of view:
The English came, invaded, killed/raped/enslaved, occupied, annexed, desecrated and rule: THEIR country and Their Future!!!
and there's absolutely nothing they (the indigenous inhabitants/owners) can do about it, militarily or politically because, they have been reduced to a very small minority.

Another example: remember David Hicks?
Though not your model law abiding church going citizen: was an Australian Citizen who was detained, abused, tortured etc in Guantanamo Bay by the Democratic USA, for 5 yrs without any formal charges for 3yrs. On SUSPICION!!
So much for that Democratic Tenet of INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY.

Meanwhile other well know criminals both in USA and Australia were left roaming the streets, free to continue committing their crimes ;
Theft, Extortion, Drug Trafficking and Murder. (Moran, Pettingill, Williams, Gatto, Gangitano):
Not exactly a democratic or popular decision.

I AGREE that Definitions do matter: to the extent that they provide a framework for any conversation.
But as we've all witnessed at some stage of our lives, CONTEXT and reality is important.
Howard capitalised on this by Introducing 'Non Core' to HIS use/definition of PROMISES
Then there are figures of speech where people say things (for emphasis) that they will never do according to the definition of that word/action
e.g I'd KILL for a coffee/cigarette/cold beer etc etc now.

AND there's also the exceptions/opposites that do NOT live up to the DEFINITION of their vocation/profession/role
e.g. Crooked Police and Clergymen, when they Lie, Cheat, Steal, Abuse, Rape, Murder: etc

 

[xris]

If Putin goes for broke, then the Ukraine people will have no choice but to also give everything they have, and then the worst of what wars brings will come to fruition - mass casualties. Let's hope that Russian politics come to their senses.

War is like Chess,
Everything is expendable.
to those who start the wars.

 

[xris]

A simple for instance. Petrol prices and gas prices jump sharply. Oil companies profits surge. Governments decide to impose a temporary excess profits tax on oil companies and redistribute it to "hard working taxpayers" struggling to afford a tank of petrol to get to work.

And that's the beauty of the capitalist system.
Adaptability, Flexibility and the freedom to Capitalise (charge whatever you/they want) in the circumstances.

3 days ago Petrol in my area was ~$1.75/l
today it was $2.02/l
for the same Petrol that was and still is in their underground storage tanks.

Collateral winners of this conflict.

 

[xris]

If Russia wasn’t a threatening nation we wouldn’t be in this situation. Countries like Poland have long memories, which is strengthened by Russian invading Georgia, Crimea, involvement in the downing of a passenger plane, and now the Ukraine invasion.

Yeah!! I've seen what peace loving Britain, Australia and USA have done and achieved since WW1

 

[xris]

Maybe the only long term answer here is the assassination of President Vladimir Putin. After the collapse of a certain share I can only afford $1.95 as a reward - probably the value of Putin to humanity.

He'll just be replaced by another with similar ideas

 

[xris]

French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian did respond. "Vladimir Putin must also understand that the Atlantic Alliance is a nuclear alliance," he told French TV.

Wonderfull.............

Nobody wins a nuclear war.

Unlike ~80 Yrs ago when USA was the only country with nuclear weapons,.

I may not be exaggerating when I say that today mankind has developed enough nuclear weapons to completely obliterate this planet.

 

[xris]

If military top brass come to the conclusion that their lives may be in danger, they may move against Putin and do the Ukraine's and the world a favour

There's a rumour that something similar happened to JFK.

 

[noirua]

Loud explosion heard in Washington, D.C., near Russian Embassy: report

Police responded to an alleged explosion heard just before 1 a.m. Thursday in Glover Park, Washington, D.C., near where the Russian Embassy is located.

www.foxnews.com

 

[xris]

Maybe a lot of Russian soldiers just don’t have their heart in it, and don’t believe in the mission to begin with.

Interesting:
I've heard similar stories about the Italian Army and Mussolini's Invasion of Greece during WW11