Victorian Politics

sptrawler said:

I would rather see the question, should Victoria have offered to hold the Commonwealth games in the first place, when they couldn't afford it?

The way it is worded, is asking "even though it was dumb to offer to hold the Commonwealth games".
Do you think we should bite the bullet and blow the money, or just admit we are dumb. ?

ATM all it is showing is, there are a lot of dumb people, who are dumb enough to answer the dumb question, as presented.
Maybe Dan reads the audience well after all.

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I agree, but do you see the issue? The Victorian Labor government are still able to win an election, even after numerous embarrassments.

Apart from not having new infrasture put in place in the country areas, how are the athletes going to survive without their sponsors to keep them in a lifestyle they have been accustomed to.
No longer are they amateurs but very well paid professional players.
To me the Commonwealth Games belong to a past era.
Not to many countries can afford to sponsor this event.
Perhaps if they are to continue then events will need to be shared around, lessening the load on one State.

JohnDe said:

I agree, but do you see the issue? The Victorian Labor government are still able to win an election, even after numerous embarrassments.

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That's what i meant with the last sentence, maybe a bit too cryptic.

While on on the subject of the weird and the wonderful, red bandana has popped his republican head up into the debate. He still hasn't worked out, that while people such as him push for a republic, it will be the reason most wont. ?
Well except for Victorians, they obviously would love to have a head honcho like Dan, making up the rules as they see fit.

The very concept of the Commonwealth Games, formerly known as the British Empire Games, is truly on the nose. Surely, its race is run.

Peter FitzSimons​

Columnist and author

IF they were fair dinkum, at the very least they could have asked for costings using existing venues in Melbourne for large crowd events and they could still have farmed out heats or smaller events to the regional areas.

Victoria is quite small(minded) so it does not take long to get to Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo etc, hell people commute from these places every day.

macca said:

IF they were fair dinkum, at the very least they could have asked for costings using existing venues in Melbourne for large crowd events and they could still have farmed out heats or smaller events to the regional areas.

Victoria is quite small(minded) so it does not take long to get to Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo etc, hell people commute from these places every day.

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Rapid rail would a bonus if it was shared around.

sptrawler said:

That's what i meant with the last sentence, maybe a bit too cryptic.

While on on the subject of the weird and the wonderful, red bandana has popped his republican head up into the debate. He still hasn't worked out, that while people such as him push for a republic, it will be the reason most wont. ?
Well except for Victorians, they obviously would love to have a head honcho like Dan, making up the rules as they see fit.

The very concept of the Commonwealth Games, formerly known as the British Empire Games, is truly on the nose. Surely, its race is run.

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He is a truly egregious pos

Stunning, considering it's from the Trots at Crikey

wayneL said:

Stunning, considering it's from the Trots at Crikey

Dan Andrews leads a rotten government. He should resign — now

The Victorian Labor Party is deeply corrupt. So why has the man who has led it for more than a decade seemingly dodged all accountability?

www.crikey.com.au

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Easy when you are representing a group of elites, they're special and live in a small compact State.
So just keep them believing that that they deserve it and it will be fine.

Well they are fast aproaching the time when it isn't fine IMO.
Lets be honest years ago he paid out heaps to cancel a road.
Now he will pay out heaps to cancel a pork barrel. Crickets hmmm?

Time will tell, but filling up a non productice State, with more and more people, requiring more and more power with less and less generation and with no manufacturing or mining it has to end badly IMO.

My guess Andrews will bail out and Victoria will implode, hopefully I'm wrong and I'm only on the outside looking in.
But do have SIL and her family live there and their arrogance is amazing. Lol

sptrawler said:

Easy when you are representing a group of elites, they're special and live in a small compact State.
So just keep them believing that that they deserve it and it will be fine.

Well they are fast aproaching the time when it isn't fine IMO.
Lets be honest years ago he paid out heaps to cancel a road.
Now he will pay out heaps to cancel a pork barrel. Crickets hmmm?

Time will tell, but filling up a non productice State, with more and more people, requiring more and more power with less and less generation and with no manufacturing or mining it has to end badly IMO.

My guess Andrews will bail out and Victoria will implode, hopefully I'm wrong and I'm only on the outside looking in.
But do have SIL and her family live there and their arrogance is amazing. Lol

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If one was so cynical it could be coined" Victoria, the rust bucket State" Next they will be calling for our GST again to prop them up.

True to form, the Andrews government has snubbed its nose at those who might attempt to get to the bottom of things ( really means those who would make political capital out of it.).
From Evil Murdoch press

Victoria’s Attorney-General has indicated Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allan are likely to snub an upper house inquiry into the Commonwealth Games, saying the opposition should have established a joint inquiry if it wanted to call lower house MPs.

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Knowing full well that given the massive majority it has in the lower house, that would never be possible.
Mick

mullokintyre said:

True to form, the Andrews government has snubbed its nose at those who might attempt to get to the bottom of things ( really means those who would make political capital out of it.).
From Evil Murdoch press

Knowing full well that given the massive majority it has in the lower house, that would never be possible.
Mick

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Yes, the Age has been going hard on the hidden corruption with quite a few headlines.
The corruption body meant to stop this is full of Labor hacks. We need a better system like what occurs in NSW.

Haven't been to Melbourne for nearly 20 years now ( ? ), but if I'm honest, I felt that this was the direction it was heading in the 7 years I lived there (lifted from X)....

"Melbourne CBD is even more horrible than my prejudiced mind can comprehend.

Where to start?

- it’s dirty
- it has pointless construction everywhere
- the quality of food is crap
- it feels cheap and nasty because it is cheap and nasty
- the variety of food is minimal
- beautiful architecture has been defaced or destroyed
- few restaurants have table service anymore but expect you to scan your over priced order into an unusable app
- servers can’t speak English and they are generally rude
- it is no longer a European inspired city - in people or architecture - it’s the worst of ugly Asia
- it’s depressing
- food is overpriced- $28 for spaghetti?
- people are rude
- homeless and druggies all over
-it’s just not pretty anymore
- 10% surcharge on Sundays! Why? It’s extortion
- it is no longer culturally diverse but a homogenous “Asia” aesthetic

In general it just sucks.

Won’t be coming back for a long time (despite it being less than 10 minutes away)

Horrible. Horrible. Horrible"

wayneL said:

Haven't been to Melbourne for nearly 20 years now ( ? ), but if I'm honest, I felt that this was the direction it was heading in the 7 years I lived there (lifted from X)....

"Melbourne CBD is even more horrible than my prejudiced mind can comprehend.

Where to start?

- it’s dirty
- it has pointless construction everywhere
- the quality of food is crap
- it feels cheap and nasty because it is cheap and nasty
- the variety of food is minimal
- beautiful architecture has been defaced or destroyed
- few restaurants have table service anymore but expect you to scan your over priced order into an unusable app
- servers can’t speak English and they are generally rude
- it is no longer a European inspired city - in people or architecture - it’s the worst of ugly Asia
- it’s depressing
- food is overpriced- $28 for spaghetti?
- people are rude
- homeless and druggies all over
-it’s just not pretty anymore
- 10% surcharge on Sundays! Why? It’s extortion
- it is no longer culturally diverse but a homogenous “Asia” aesthetic

In general it just sucks.

Won’t be coming back for a long time (despite it being less than 10 minutes away)

Horrible. Horrible. Horrible"

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Yeah, but apart from that its great.
mick

wayneL said:

Haven't been to Melbourne for nearly 20 years now ( ? ), but if I'm honest, I felt that this was the direction it was heading in the 7 years I lived there (lifted from X)....

"Melbourne CBD is even more horrible than my prejudiced mind can comprehend.

Where to start?

- it’s dirty
- it has pointless construction everywhere
- the quality of food is crap
- it feels cheap and nasty because it is cheap and nasty
- the variety of food is minimal
- beautiful architecture has been defaced or destroyed
- few restaurants have table service anymore but expect you to scan your over priced order into an unusable app
- servers can’t speak English and they are generally rude
- it is no longer a European inspired city - in people or architecture - it’s the worst of ugly Asia
- it’s depressing
- food is overpriced- $28 for spaghetti?
- people are rude
- homeless and druggies all over
-it’s just not pretty anymore
- 10% surcharge on Sundays! Why? It’s extortion
- it is no longer culturally diverse but a homogenous “Asia” aesthetic

In general it just sucks.

Won’t be coming back for a long time (despite it being less than 10 minutes away)

Horrible. Horrible. Horrible"

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Lol. 10 minutes away. The guy probably lives in Balwyn.

Knobby22 said:

Lol. 10 minutes away. The guy probably lives in Balwyn.

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It's probably no worse that Perth CBD.... mind you, it'd have to be pretty shyte to be worse than Perth

Dan Andrews lost another supporter whn member for Ringwood, Tim Fowles was forced to resign from the party over allegations of assault of a public service person.
From The Age

Victorian state Labor MP Will Fowles has resigned from the parliamentary Labor Party amid assault allegations.

Premier Daniel Andrews said in a statement on Saturday evening that his office was advised of an “alleged incident” on Thursday afternoon.
”My office made further inquiries over Friday 4 and Saturday 5 August and has now received information from a government employee about an alleged serious assault by the Member for Ringwood,” Andrews said.
“My office referred the matter to Victoria Police on Saturday evening. Tonight I also sought and received the Member for Ringwood’s resignation from the Parliamentary Labor Party.

“The complainant has been and will continue to be supported and their privacy should be respected. The wellbeing of staff and their right to a safe workplace is not negotiable.”
Victoria Police issued a statement on Sunday morning, saying the government’s referral had been received and that an official complaint had not yet been launched.

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Fowles already has form.
He went on leave (with full pay of course) back in 2019 when in a drunken rage fuelled by prescription medication abuse, he kicked in the door of a Canberra Motel.
But because he needed the vote, Dan the Man "forgave" him .
It seems that mental health issues lets you get away with just about anything.
Mick

mullokintyre said:

It seems that mental health issues lets you get away with just about anything.
Mick

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From the outside looking in, it appears to me mental health issues is a prerequisite for Victorian politics, I find it mind blowing the way they throw money around with gay abandon, when they have such a limited tax base to fund it.

Obviously the collapse of Australia's education standards is now starting to manifest itself in politics, where social ideology and personal ego carries more weight than basic maths and logics, no wonder they are importing taxpayers and pushing inflation, they are running out of other people's money to waste (cough) I mean spend. ?

It certainly makes it obvious why the State and Fed Govt don't want house prices to go down, the loss of stamp duty would kill them, much easier just to keep ramping inflation and devaluing the dollar.
Poverty central on its way, I wonder if they will call a train station that?

This is what we are up against in Victoria.
As the comedian booked to provide light relief at Friday’s event put it: ‘‘It’s getting hot in here, must be all the cookers.’’

Cookers mean heat for Heaths​

PATRICK HATCH

The civil war inside the Victorian Liberal Party shows no signs of letting up. The latest skirmish was in the headlines at the weekend after sitting MP Renee Heath attended an event hosted by antilockdown and anti-vaccination activist Morgan Jonas, who also happens to be the founder of the Freedom Party of Victoria.
Renee has said she was only there to support her father, Brian Heath, who was speaking at the Rowville event with a rogues’ gallery of fringe politics influencers and conspiracy peddlers.
United Australia Party senator Ralph Babet and former federal MP Craig Kelly were there too, and warmly received by the audience, which, by the way, seemed to have embraced the ‘‘cooker’’ label used to deride antilockdown and conspiracy-minded folks.
Based in Gippsland, Brian is the senior pastor at the City Builders Church – an ultra-conservative Pentecostal outfit, which, as The Age has previously detailed, has attempted to infiltrate conservative politics.
It’s really the last thing Opposition Leader John Pesutto needs before the August 26 Warrandyte byelection and as he attempts to recover from the messy expulsion of MP Moira Deeming after her attendance at an anti-trans rally gatecrashed by Nazis.
Renee’s attendance at the Rowville event infuriated party colleagues. But if they don’t fancy the prospect of expelling another sitting MP, it might be more clearcut when it comes to her dad.
CBD has confirmed Brian is an office holder on the Liberal Party’s Latrobe Valley State Election Council. He wouldn’t return our calls, and Renee Heath and Liberal HQ declined to comment – even just to confirm the status of his position. Sources say he will be in trouble as soon as the Warrandyte vote is finished.
‘‘There’ll be a motion to expel him and significant pressure on Renee to be expelled too,’’ one party source suggested.
The party constitution provides grounds for expulsion if found ‘‘guilty of disloyalty to the party’’. That might include appearing at a political rival’s event where other speakers were laying into Pesutto almost as much as Daniel Andrews.
So, it is possible that both the Heaths soon could be feeling the heat. As the comedian booked to provide light relief at Friday’s event put it: ‘‘It’s getting hot in here, must be all the cookers.’’

Obviously Sonja and Kos meant the twitter remarks for people other than Labour party members.
Mick

mullokintyre said:

Obviously Sonja and Kos meant the twitter remarks for people other than Labour party members.
Mick


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I reckon they deliberately meant their fellow members.

The average number of houses owned by politicians is 4. I don’t blame them as it's the easiest way to make money due to our tax system.

I own no investment properties. I don't want to become a landlord. Prefer shares.