DeepState
Multi-Strategy, Quant and Fundamental
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My to do list:
- check the Endeavour model for outsourced third party exposure (this company targets a different segment within Higher Ed and Higher Ed is not VET.
- Litigation settlement expectations. This is probably the biggest downside swing factor not in my numbers. Will need to check the case history and understand whether any of this exposure is insured or otherwise defrayed in some way. They make some reference to an exposure which they were led to believe was negligible prior to the bombshell. Hopefully I can find out what the basis was. If solid, they have a viable mitigant. If not, there will be a settlement.
This is not a high NTA business. Consequently equity and debt are more closely aligned. The sorts of things I would want as a banker are not all that different to what I would want as an equity holder.
Sorry, newbie question here.
The lack of of NTA means that there is nothing for the banks to seize in the event of a default, so their interests are best served by keeping the company alive to keep paying interest and debt. Thus their interests are aligned with shareholders. Is my understanding correct?
Thank in advance
but the big thing to note is they state: FULL SUPPORT OF BANK GROUP.
More information on the Vocation story today.
$35m in debt shaved off by paying down from cash balance, but the big thing to note is they state: FULL SUPPORT OF BANK GROUP.
No dividend coming up - as expected.
Potential intangibles writedown - also pretty much expected.
Warning – devil’s advocate post.
I’m not saying don’t take an informed risk. Just that’s its pretty binary bet at this stage with one leg being 100% lose – position size accordingly.
More information on the Vocation story today.
$35m in debt shaved off by paying down from cash balance, but the big thing to note is they state: FULL SUPPORT OF BANK GROUP.
No dividend coming up - as expected.
Potential intangibles writedown - also pretty much expected.
You know what the rule of thumb says: If a company stops paying a dividend it is time to get out!!
Let them sort there mess out first, then get back in....maybe.
Close to 1 bagger since the last low ...more to go
Close to 1 bagger since the last low ...more to go
If there is a breach of covenant and it leads to something material, it will need to be reported some time in mid-January after the half-year review. This is the time when any breach would occur and any remediation would be announced. After this, a major source of uncertainty is removed.
DeepState, interested in your thoughts on this now they are in suspension? Can any good come of this?
DeepState, interested in your thoughts on this now they are in suspension? Can any good come of this?
Thanks DeepState, what are your thoughts on a capital raising to wipe out the debt and increase working capital?
I was thinking that the significant shareholders and institutional level shareholders, who are already heavily invested in the stock, would be likely to support it even if somewhat reluctantly, as it may help support the value of their shareholding by giving the company greater financial flexibility to trade out of their current predicament.
If they didn't support it they could potentially say bye byes to their stakes in the company if the financial situation gets worse and the banks decide to close up shop?
Here's something below from Morningstar showing the heavy substantial shareholder buying in recent months.
The Future Fund and IOOF are still listed as substantial shareholders.
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