Beatle a PS. Sorry I forgot to mention that I have not yet read Cadel Evan's book but will get a copy soon. I actually ride around 300 to 400 klms per week and have seriously considered riding in the Phils but having seen the driving on relatively narrow roads have resisted the thought. Subic Bay area would be ok, a lot of training goes on there I noticed. Cadel is currently competing in the Giro D'Italia and is a real chance. AB