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The Possibility of a Takeover of RED

On HC Colinjc posed the question re which shareholders would like to see a takeover attempt of RED. Clearly this was in reference to many posters frustrations with the way the share price has been traveling along with the delays with final financing being achieved.

I would like to put the following comment regarding the scenario of a takeover of RED:

Any corporate considering a takeover of RED will fall into 1 of 2 different groups:
1. A takeover with a view to increasing gold production of the acquirer based predominantly on Siana production and value. The likely acquirer will be a mid-tier gold producer or base metals company seeking diversification.
2. A takeover by a much larger gold company taking a view on Mapawa.

At this stage I suggest there is too little information for Mapawa potential for any company from Group 2 to consider a takeover, thus the acquirer is likely to come from Group 1 companies, and value of a takeover will predominantly fall into the DCF valuation of Siana, less discount (for production start-up risk and future gold price risk).

Acquirers most likely would come from Australian and overseas groups (but principally not Australian based producers) IMO as it would better fit the risk profile of such companies although Australian companies with past overseas activity could be suited to such. This could include non-ASX listed companies, esp Asian or Canadian companies having a higher risk appetite for Asian based operations.

In determining the initial takeover bid price, the acquirer would have to make an offer at a price that clearly is a significant premium to current share price, but below DCF valuation price. Since current valuation of Siana is around 40 cents per share (based on current RED shares on issue) and the future funding of RED is not clearly determined (as to either debt or equity of mix of both) therefore there will be a discount to cover such.
Any takeover could include a condition that it would have to be subject to funding arrangements for Siana development. That offer could be a mix of share for share swap (I have previously suggested this would be an ideal path for a currently producing company that is currently enjoying a share price premium to cash flow forecasts for the acquirer such as Medusa, which has a market cap of A$750 million despite its cash flows being nothing like that, but it seems MML is not interested in such a deal with RED).

What does this mean for current RED shareholders? Any takeover offer being made in the interim would not result in such a high price as the DCF, possibly around the mid 20's cents range, although it would provide a means to immediately have RED re-rated from its current trading range. I do not believe that many insto's would seriously consider such a price offer to be in the best interests of their investment outlook for RED, but those with a shorter time horizon would see it as a way of immediately monetizing an investment.

The real benefit would be to have the development of Siana go ahead under the direction of RED, with a focus on adding value through Mapawa exploration, that way in the medium term Siana value should be fully priced in RED stock, and a premium added for Mapawa as exploration continues (subject to exploration continuing to add value of course).

For an acquirer there is immense value in considering RED as a takeover target now -:
1. It delivers gold production via a long life, low cash cost operation;
2. If the offer price is around mid-20's cents then it is acquired at a discount to full value, which is exceedingly rare in the gold market;
3. If opens up the door to exciting larger gold production targets such as Mapawa and Madja porphyry gold targets;
4. If the acquisition occurs PRIOR to final funding being achieved then it provides the opportunity for the acquirer to use its own balance sheet to fund the project in possibly a more capital efficient means.

I look forward to the first acquirer taking a look at RED (lol).
 
I take your point Fatsoh (and yes I'm over-exuberant on RED).

In regard to the timeframes, well I believe we all know the project timeframes very well, unless there is a change in plans at which time RED will be forced to provide a status update to the market since its a critical market sensitive subject. So i don't believe anyone saying that the big boys are better informed on that than us shareholders (perhaps a few days in advance maybe to the insiders in the company but nothing significant in respect to first gold pour).

With regard to the finance, IF Anderbond is correct, we may have slightly over another month to go before an alternative competing offer is made and accepted by RED, ie beginning of October, but in the mean while RED remains on track for development works.

What i am wondering about is Mapawa, as it has been quite a while for news to come through on the first couple of shallower holes, and that is something that might have relevance to some of the sellers who maybe bought purely on the upside of Mapawa than the core Siana gold production.

Well, yesterday was interesting. The takeout of the 29 million odd shares at commencement set the scene for a very solid day. I heard a rumour the big seller might be BT, and that it was a genuine sale, however it is a rumour only. It does however seem that it was a genuine sale, although in discussing the manner in which it was done with a broker, he says he cannot recall such a large parcel in a small stock being placed on the open market like this. The great thing is that after a few days it was taken out, and we may see the emergence of a new player, or an existing one taking the opportunity to build a bigger position. Either way, it should now give some blue sky to the SP. Yesterday's moves must surely prove that everything is on track as reported by management. I have wondered if the recent North America presentation may have raised interest and resulted in a decision by an institution to get involved. Further news from the company is now eagerly awaited. Beatle, your number crunching is much appreciated as I am sure it gives a lot of support to the thinking of other holders, and potential new ones. Hopefully, the negative posts might now start to disappear, as most of them add absolutely zero to the discussion. I get sick of the rubbish that some seem to delight in posting, especially on HC for reasons that completely escape me.
AB:)

Anderbond, I agree with your sentiments re the negative posters completely, and at times I wonder if they are posting on behalf of a corporate trying to cool the price and trading activity down!

As for yesterday's raging trade for 1 day followed by todays lull - to me it supports my view that the big cap was not planned to be taken out yesterday and perhaps was a surprise opportunistic strike by some group (maybe a gold producer?) going against the general grain of RED market makers.

With your past comment about DB exclusivity lasting till end of Sept I have a feeling we will see another month of this malaise, but your comment that the trading yesterday confirms the value of RED in the longer term I agree with entirely.

As I mentioned yesterday I find it interesting there is no news out re Mapawa shallow drilling, and I don't think its a coincidence, I feel as though RED management are not in a big rush to have those holes sampled and assayed before bedding down the funding - for concern it could ignite the market ahead of the right time for it to go!

Anderbond and Beatle,

Beatle, I would like to state by your own admission that you at times are over exuberant on RED ,so another point of view with (as has been quoted )of little or no substance ,can still be a valid opinion on the situation of RED (as i stated in my previous post re the amount of time of hardly any movement in the right direction re share price of RED).
I'ts little points like mine that get treated with disdain by supporters of particular stocks and recent history shows if a few of the "negative" posters comments were balanced with the "over-exuberant" ones expectations in certain stocks would be tempered and realistic ..... CDU comes to mind !

Anderbond,
You stated "i heard a rumour the big seller might be BT but it was only a rumour" and then said in the same post....

"hopefully, the negative posts might start to disappear as most of them add absolutely zero to the discussion. I am sick of the rubbish that some seem to delight in posting."

I stated that the price of RED was stagnate which you can see on any chart,

your comment about hearing of "rumour's" imo falls into (your words) "I am sick of the rubbish that some seem to delight in posting" area.

In summary not all posters stick up charts and figures that would make the average accountant cringe but do have the right to contribute the best way they can and negative or positive and hopefully it leads to a balanced view on any particular stock..... my:2twocents and you can now resume transmission......:D
 
BigUkraine, I would like to make a couple of points for clarity regarding your last post:

1. I have no problem whatsoever of anyone posting on RED that has a different opinion to my own opinion of RED. In fact I welcome it, but of course any posts made with no foundation or basis tend not to have much credibility with me (and I may just ignore such or refute them if the statements are clearly misinformation or misleading, or require clarification).

2. I am also frustrated with the price sitting in the current trading range and the finance being delayed, but thats the situation we find us shareholders find ourselves in at the moment and you can't extricate yourself from that other than to sell out and I for one have no intention of doing that prior to a big revaluation of RED happening.

3. Many of my posts on RED are based on the observation of the DCF valuation that Siana provides to RED, which is at a substantial premium to current RED share price, or based on other fundamental information regarding Siana/Mapawa as I have followed the technical story and history of the RED5 company over many years.
I believe it provides an insight to RED that other newer investors would not have if they have just begun following RED.

4. My exuberance for RED as a longer term investment has already been acknowledged, and I will continue to hold that view until/unless I see value has changed from what it currently is relative to the share price.

5. The intention of my posts are to ensure that any investors or shareholders in RED that do not have a technical view on their own are well informed by my posts.
In fact I am relatively conservative and objective with my valuations for RED -I might add that I have completed the valuation of mining stocks using Mining Investment Analysis via the Securities Institute of Australia (topped the course in my year when there were about 200 odd studying), and I have been a mining analyst with a stockbroking firm, so I have the skills and knowledge to make my observations. (I am a career geologist, with over 40 years experience in the mining industry).

6. I have NO skills whatsoever regarding price charting and have never considered it my forte and have always stated such when I have sought other commentaries on charting, and therefore when my pricing valuation coincides with actual share price is conjectural.

Can you give me some idea of what I have stated previously that has upset you with regarding your past posts, I am happy to make further comment as is relevant.
 
Hi BigUkraine, My comments about negative rubbish were about some of the stuff posted on HC. Nothing about your good self or your comments. I agree with Beatle, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but some seem to believe in all sorts of weird theories and conspiracies, none of which have any basis or add anything to a discussion. Others simply bag the management. Again it adds little. Now in respect of my posting. The source of the "BT rumour" I mentioned was the Chairman of the company. You see, I believe that rather than indulge myself in fantasy, it is far better to talk directly to those people who actually might have any knowledge or thoughts in situations like the one that arose last week with the 29 odd million share parcel that appeared for sale. Whether it was BT or not is I admit not that material but I post the information as a means of trying to help others remain informed. I too sometimes feel a little frustrated at the lack of progress with the SP, but this does not mean that there is no progress with the project. Like others, I have actually travelled to Siana and spent a day with the MD reviewing the project. I am not a geologist and certainly do not have the credentials for example of Beatle, but I do believe that if investing more than "pin" money, it is best to know as much as you can. This also means maintaining contact with the company. This is open to all investors if they care to take the trouble. AB
 
BigUkraine, I would like to make a couple of points for clarity regarding your last post:

1. I have no problem whatsoever of anyone posting on RED that has a different opinion to my own opinion of RED. In fact I welcome it, but of course any posts made with no foundation or basis tend not to have much credibility with me (and I may just ignore such or refute them if the statements are clearly misinformation or misleading, or require clarification).

2. I am also frustrated with the price sitting in the current trading range and the finance being delayed, but thats the situation we find us shareholders find ourselves in at the moment and you can't extricate yourself from that other than to sell out and I for one have no intention of doing that prior to a big revaluation of RED happening.

3. Many of my posts on RED are based on the observation of the DCF valuation that Siana provides to RED, which is at a substantial premium to current RED share price, or based on other fundamental information regarding Siana/Mapawa as I have followed the technical story and history of the RED5 company over many years.
I believe it provides an insight to RED that other newer investors would not have if they have just begun following RED.

4. My exuberance for RED as a longer term investment has already been acknowledged, and I will continue to hold that view until/unless I see value has changed from what it currently is relative to the share price.

5. The intention of my posts are to ensure that any investors or shareholders in RED that do not have a technical view on their own are well informed by my posts.
In fact I am relatively conservative and objective with my valuations for RED -I might add that I have completed the valuation of mining stocks using Mining Investment Analysis via the Securities Institute of Australia (topped the course in my year when there were about 200 odd studying), and I have been a mining analyst with a stockbroking firm, so I have the skills and knowledge to make my observations. (I am a career geologist, with over 40 years experience in the mining industry).

6. I have NO skills whatsoever regarding price charting and have never considered it my forte and have always stated such when I have sought other commentaries on charting, and therefore when my pricing valuation coincides with actual share price is conjectural.

Can you give me some idea of what I have stated previously that has upset you with regarding your past posts, I am happy to make further comment as is relevant.

Hi BigUkraine, My comments about negative rubbish were about some of the stuff posted on HC. Nothing about your good self or your comments. I agree with Beatle, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but some seem to believe in all sorts of weird theories and conspiracies, none of which have any basis or add anything to a discussion. Others simply bag the management. Again it adds little. Now in respect of my posting. The source of the "BT rumour" I mentioned was the Chairman of the company. You see, I believe that rather than indulge myself in fantasy, it is far better to talk directly to those people who actually might have any knowledge or thoughts in situations like the one that arose last week with the 29 odd million share parcel that appeared for sale. Whether it was BT or not is I admit not that material but I post the information as a means of trying to help others remain informed. I too sometimes feel a little frustrated at the lack of progress with the SP, but this does not mean that there is no progress with the project. Like others, I have actually travelled to Siana and spent a day with the MD reviewing the project. I am not a geologist and certainly do not have the credentials for example of Beatle, but I do believe that if investing more than "pin" money, it is best to know as much as you can. This also means maintaining contact with the company. This is open to all investors if they care to take the trouble. AB

Beatle and Anderbond,

In a nutshell the point i would like to make is that from what i have seen if i was an investor in RED, the activities of late would lead me to have concerns.

1. The 29mil odd share sell off and purchase on market is not the norm and an explanation from the co would of been appreciated.

2. The Deutsche bank deal for finance.... why does it take over a month for RED and it's advisers to analyse..... could the terms re the security over the properties be erroneous to RED.......so a stumbling block to the acceptance of finance needs to negotiated ?

3. 45% of the cap costs have been fixed,big tick to mgt there but the 55% remaining could impact the revenue.


Imo the market needs clarification,and i am not offended by any one point that the two of you have made per say, but with all of the positive points you can put across the commercial reality to this point are the points i have made above.

It may all come out in the wash and investors may make a motza but for the time that they spent waiting for this to come into fruition lots of other opp's have sailed past imo..... good luck to you two and hope it turns out to your advantage.:D
 
All of Anderbond’s points are well made especially his main point that if you invest more than pin money you must follow the story closely with reliable (and various) sources of information to form your opinion.

In fact I do want to make the point that I was very critical of RED management a few years ago and posted such on HC – but with the intention to try to force change within the team. Since those days there has been considerable positive progress and we have a completed study confirming economics, and all approvals in place.

The last hurdle, that of the final funding package of US$40 million, has already been offered but RED is yet to make a decision as to whether that offer is the best it can achieve and I applaud management for that decision to take a careful measured approach to this offer. I’m of the view that Deutsche Bank has led the company to believe that a simpler structured package without any warrants was to be offered and this was changed in the last weeks of negotiations. Therefore RED should re-consider its options for that funding.

Regarding your points BigUkraine:

1. Whilst I am not part of RED management, you can be 100% assured that RED was not responsible for or involved in the sale of 29.4 million shares and therefore has no reason nor interest to comment on that sale in an ASX release (of course management may have an opinion on what its all about, but that is not the role or business of a company management). Have you ever seen any company make comment officially regarding share sales etc.

I agree that the on-market offer and sale was unusual, I stated at the time I haven’t seen it ever done for all of my investing career, and therefore believed it to be a “capper”.

2. I have already answered your point 2, that I believe that DB surprised RED with a vastly different (negatively) offer, and RED is now re-considering its options for that funding package, and this will take a bit longer to bed down. It may well be that RED accepts a DB offer (which may well be revised).
RED does have internal funds to maintain the development progress at Siana to meet its timeframe of first gold pour in April next year, therefore it wants to do the best with its funding arrangement in a suitable timeframe.

3. I agree with you that without the final funding bedded down the timeframe and therefore gold production (=revenue) is at risk. The DB offer guarantees funding, but is it the best offer available, hopefully RED will make the decision within the next month or so.

4. I agree entirely with your point re opportunity cost, and it has been a big issue for me having invested in RED for many years. But time is now much closer and anyone holding on over the past hard years would surely want to hold on with the line now drawn in the sand.
 
Trading in RED the first couple of hours on Friday is quite brisk, with RED moving past the roadblock of 15.5 cents, trading as high as 17 cents but now back at 16.5 cents. Volume is good, at 6.85 million shares.

What i do like about the activity is that the Bots are at work, always trading UP, and that to me means one thing - there is an interest to continue the hoarding, by at least one party, of more RED shares. To me that means one thing - RED is going up from here and having broken over the crucial 15.5 cents mark things are looking good (and yes of course I am over-exuberant, its exciting to see it up again today).

What does the trading mean with regard to the project/company - is it Mapawa drill results, is it the finance offer getting finalised? Who knows, or is it just an insto taking a position that it wants more, I'm sure we will see soon enough. The line in the sand has been drawn already.
 
Hi all, hi beatle. It'"s certainly been a great week, and todays trading activity has just topped things off. Its great to see new investors jumping on board and finally seeing value, even at the current 16.5 cent range. What would be great now is the expected Mapawa results announced or the debt financing package released, then we may see that re-rating alot quicker than expected... We finally broke the 15.5 cent resistance level. So whats that Beatle, 29 odd% for the week if it stays where it is?

A very excited and also over exuberant holder of RED 5. Go RED GO
 
Hi all, hi beatle. It'"s certainly been a great week, and todays trading activity has just topped things off. Its great to see new investors jumping on board and finally seeing value, even at the current 16.5 cent range. What would be great now is the expected Mapawa results announced or the debt financing package released, then we may see that re-rating alot quicker than expected... We finally broke the 15.5 cent resistance level. So whats that Beatle, 29 odd% for the week if it stays where it is?

A very excited and also over exuberant holder of RED 5. Go RED GO

Yes have to agree,the bot's have done a fantastic job over the last hour the volume has been huge !:rolleyes:.... lucky i got my 30% by way of SER and after some research took me all of a month..... damit:D
 
Haha, fellow exuberant Moit. I agree its been a great week for RED. But the exciting thing in my view (of course a biased view, note that BigUkraine) is that we have NOT seen the re-rating in RED, we have just seen the trading warm things up and if we end today above 15.5 cents its a real positive (in my uneducated chartists interpretation).

Whether this trading is a sign that an announcement is getting prepared is yet to be confirmed, maybe its just traders topping up in anticipation of a bigger move later on. It might still be a month away from an announcement of the funding, so don't hold your breathe for the re-rating so soon, UNLESS something comes out of left field such as a new substantial trader being announced. If there was I would love it being a gold producer, just to add some spice to the register!

BigUkraine, do you mean you are also in RED or just in SER? (congratulations if you are in SER and I take your point about opportunity cost, but a win is a win whatever - I won't be dropping shares in RED now just because its moved a few cents in the past days, the real move is yet to happen in my view).
 
Haha, fellow exuberant Moit. I agree its been a great week for RED. But the exciting thing in my view (of course a biased view, note that BigUkraine) is that we have NOT seen the re-rating in RED, we have just seen the trading warm things up and if we end today above 15.5 cents its a real positive (in my uneducated chartists interpretation).

Whether this trading is a sign that an announcement is getting prepared is yet to be confirmed, maybe its just traders topping up in anticipation of a bigger move later on. It might still be a month away from an announcement of the funding, so don't hold your breathe for the re-rating so soon, UNLESS something comes out of left field such as a new substantial trader being announced. If there was I would love it being a gold producer, just to add some spice to the register!

BigUkraine, do you mean you are also in RED or just in SER? (congratulations if you are in SER and I take your point about opportunity cost, but a win is a win whatever - I won't be dropping shares in RED now just because its moved a few cents in the past days, the real move is yet to happen in my view).

Well at least it's getting near your 52wk high and all the best of british to holders and no, not in RED but have had my day's in the sun on stock's ,CAP comes to mind (read asf thread).had fun with SHX-GRY take over as well....and am holding only a few others due to the state of play in our mkt's .


what's your take on the current bot trading beatle ? :cool:
 
Hi Beatle....my take on today's move is that it is simply a reflection of the Goldcorp bid for Andean and the implications for the gold sector as a whole. AND is similar in a way to RED in that its' assets are situated outside Australia, but, AND's measured and indicated resources of 3.4m oz gold and 27m oz silver, far surpass RED's resources. Additionally, their grades at 5.5g/t are higher than RED.
The interesting thing about the bid to me is that Goldcorp are paying over $1000/oz for current resources (remember, NCM only paid around $230/oz for LGL a few months back) RED's EV/Resource oz is under the average for the sector (around $150/oz)
What all this tells me is that predators are placing high values on high grade, low cost operations. I'm not sure that RED fits these parameters as yet as the expected 100k oz pa production from Siana at around $350/oz wouldn't really have them salivating, as it doesn't have scaleability, however, Mapawa is still the wild card.
BigUkraine makes the most valid point of all when he talks about opportunity cost as the continuing debacle of the debt financing package, and the tardiness of results from Mapawa (3 shallow holes only drilled in nearly 12 months???!!!) makes the unwary regard RED with suspicion, and rightly so! Just my thoughts.
 
Hi Hugh_Jarzz, you make some interesting points, some of which I agree with.
There is no doubt that the takeover of AND has helped investors recognize the value in the gold sector and the fact that AND’s unique high grade project commands a high takeover price. However, it’s a case of the chicken and the egg, and what has caused the real interest in the overall gold sector, is it AND’s project or the historically high gold price? I suggest the latter.

I have been of the view for a long time that RED’s excessively long lead time to develop the BFS and gain all the necessary approvals for Siana has been a major reason for RED being excessively discounted. Its only as it gets much closer to production will we see a considerable re-rating of RED once the market realizes its really going to happen, that Siana will produce gold and the BFS has indicated that it fits the description of a long life, low cost project.

I agree with you that Siana is a relatively small gold deposit, probably having 1 – 2 million ozs gold potential, and is not going to be a target of the larger gold producers – I would think its more appealing to a mid-tier gold producer seeking an incremental increase in gold production (plus 100,000 ozs added to their production profile within 2 – 3 years). But your view that it would not have some mid-tier companies salivating I believe is not correct, its equivalent to annual revenue of US$124.6 million at today’s gold price! (That is not peanuts!) in fact it would be right on the radars of a number of companies at present due to it being a low cost, long life project, and with RED being highly discounted based on DCF valuation is a unique opportunity!

Mapawa exploration drilling has taken a while to gather momentum, but the drillholes completed to date confirm the potential for a considerable deposit that surely will be on the radars of much larger gold companies. Anglogold only walked when it was clear that RED would not be held to a proposal that was clearly one-sided for RED (on the wrong side!) and that now opens up the door for RED to add considerable value for its shareholders. RED has already had a number of parties contact them more recently, seeking to do a deal but fortunately RED now has enough cash to carry out a lot of exploration prior to making any future decision on Mapawa with third parties.

I’m not sure what you refer to as 3 shallow holes, the deeper holes to date have confirmed alteration and gold (plus copper) mineralization extends to significant depths. The drilling program is now continuing in earnest with 3 drill rigs drilling both shallow and deeper holes – while the start up of the exploration has taken some time to get going, its now ready to produce results that will add considerable knowledge to the Mapawa exploration model in coming months.

As for your comments about “the unwary regard RED with suspicion, and rightly so!” I agree that it has been the reason why RED share price is not yet at a level that it should be at, but with runs on the board in the past 18 months and plenty of news due on funding, development and mapawa exploration in the next 12 months I can see RED finally achieve its rerating and trade at a PREMIUM to DCF well within that period. I hope that current RED shareholders can recognize that too to ensure they don’t sell out too soon to finally get the value that is promised!
 
Well now we know who was buying. RED Change in substantial holding Baker steel capital managers

but we still don't know who took out the 29.4 mill last week

either way, RED is being bought up by bigger players

expect stale bulls to exit from here
 
Hi Fatsoh, the increased holdings by Baker Steel is another sign of the evolution of RED over the years from raw explorer to it now being on the verge of full scale development of a significant gold project at Siana.

I read the knockers in RED, who constantly rubbish the company for its past performance, and fail to recognise that RED is not the same company nowadays. I am concerned that the longer term holder might decide to weaken and sell at the last hurdle to what is possibly going to be an exciting future (company and share price!). History is not always a good indicator of the future particularly for a company has evolved with the completion of the BFS, therefore just a reference to the cyclical nature of RED share price is not a good guide to the future share price.

Just consider, some of those knockers in RED MIGHT have alterior motives, for example, is Smity a past disgruntled employee! Seems to me he has more than a chip on his shoulder about share price - he is a new holder (if he is a holder at all!).

Based on the current share price, RED value from Siana is now at 31.7 cents IF we raised US$40 million purely through a placement at 15.5 cents, and it only gets better if we introduce any debt into the mix. That confirms to me why Baker Steel etc are only just getting in now, and other more conservative insto's will want in once the finance is bedded down. Then it will blow the cyclical share price in my view.
 
At this stage all I want to see is the price consolidate around it's current level, hopefully that's followed by some better news regarding finance! It is encouraging to see BS adding to it's holdings, it seems that they have an eye for companies like RED and can see potential - just as some of the other Redbulls around here do!!
 
Hi guys, a most encouraging day. Agree that the further increase in stake by Baker Steel is very positive. Looks to me like there is further accumulation going on. The question is around whether it is BS and or another? Beatle, it is not that many months before the gold pour. Have you booked your ticket yet? If it breaks to the 20c mark this week , I might even break out a special bottle of RED to celebrate with.(lol) I am not a chartist or trader, just an investor in companies with the right mix of fundamentals.So I don't worry much if the SP backtracks a little but there is buying pressure right now. I see that on HC some are still saying that they are waiting for the finance package. Well, it is there and according to CJ is regarded as acceptable. So it is certainly possible they might decide to go with it.We should know sometime towards end September. Also more drilling reports are due. Either way, things will happen soon. Stay tranquil and let management do its job.
AB
 
Hi Anderbond, and yes it was a good day from a trading point of view (even though I know almost nothing about charting!). The fact that the volume was up, that it traded at its high at the close and that bidders are strong at the close suggests to me that we have not seen the last of positive price movements in the next days (always subject to gold price of course!).

I'm also of the view that there remains significant hoarding by at least 1 major buyer at the present which reflects on that buyers view that RED is not going to stop at around current price and are not in there for a couple of cents - there will be a re-rating to bring RED closer to its DCF value in my view.

I have assumed no debt at US$1,247/oz = 38 cents per share. If its fully diluted at placement price of 15.5 cents with no debt to raise the funds then = 31 cents per share. The current Deutsche Bank offer probably puts it somewhere in between, say around 35 cents per share!

Although I have not booked my fare to Surigao I will definitely be going if getting an invite for the official mine opening - but this time I will not be eating Balot (when I was there last time I had to eat it just to show I was a stupid foreigner!). I will look forward to meeting all from the chat forums at that time (but always retaining our anonymity for chat forums - what happens in SE Asia remains in SE Asia, lol)!

I am a bit confused that we haven't seen anything new re Mapawa but wonder if management want to bed down the funding first rather than confuse the market with exploration results. But I may be wrong about that.
 
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