Using your Ignore List

[Julia]

I confess to misusing the ignore list. A while ago (over a year ago) i placed a member on ignore after i was tired of arguing (read:lost the argument).

Recently i deleted a bunch of off topic stuff out of a particular thread. I deleted more than i should have, a bit hasty in my moderation attempt. That member sent me a PM...which i of course did not receive, because they were still on ignore. I was just a bit lazy taking them off ignore even though i would still read their post and sometimes even respond.

Well after their PMs were unanswered they contacted Joe who promptly asked me to re-instate their posts, which i did.

I hope that member accepts my sincerest apologies....

What you describe reflects what happened to me. I don't know whether I'm the person to whom you're referring, but the post of mine which you deleted was absolutely not reinstated. I did contact Joe over it because it was a carefully thought out, polite response to someone who had been particularly sarcastic to me entirely unnecessarily. That person's post was allowed to stand, with the sarcastic part edited out by CanOz.

Seems a bit odd to me to make a vague apology to no one in particular. How is anyone supposed to know who you're referring to? Surely a PM to the person concerned would be more useful?

 

[pixel]

I confess to misusing the ignore list. A while ago (over a year ago) i placed a member on ignore after i was tired of arguing (read:lost the argument).

Recently i deleted a bunch of off topic stuff out of a particular thread. I deleted more than i should have, a bit hasty in my moderation attempt. That member sent me a PM...which i of course did not receive, because they were still on ignore. I was just a bit lazy taking them off ignore even though i would still read their post and sometimes even respond.

Well after their PMs were unanswered they contacted Joe who promptly asked me to re-instate their posts, which i did.

I hope that member accepts my sincerest apologies....

Hi CanOz,

This post of yours, in conjunction with Whiskers' rant and Julia's reply, simply reconfirms my reasons for resisting all invitations to become a moderator.
One other Forum where I hang out doesn't even have an "Ignore" function, which leads to many a thread being left to one or two serial ranters, who insist on having the last word - even though it's the same nonsense repeated day after day, and never a discussion of a differing view put forward by someone else. Which has the consequence of most "someone elses" contributing less and less or leaving the Forum altogether.

(Doesn't apply to you, Julia, but Whiskers is on my Ignore list as of today.)

 

[nulla nulla]

Hi CanOz,

This post of yours, in conjunction with Whiskers' rant and Julia's reply, simply reconfirms my reasons for resisting all invitations to become a moderator.
One other Forum where I hang out doesn't even have an "Ignore" function, which leads to many a thread being left to one or two serial ranters, who insist on having the last word - even though it's the same nonsense repeated day after day, and never a discussion of a differing view put forward by someone else. Which has the consequence of most "someone elses" contributing less and less or leaving the Forum altogether.

(Doesn't apply to you, Julia, but Whiskers is on my Ignore list as of today.)

Thats a shame pixel, I think you would make a good moderator. Our loss I suppose but I respect your decision making process. Cheers

 

[CanOz]

Hi CanOz,

This post of yours, in conjunction with Whiskers' rant and Julia's reply, simply reconfirms my reasons for resisting all invitations to become a moderator.
One other Forum where I hang out doesn't even have an "Ignore" function, which leads to many a thread being left to one or two serial ranters, who insist on having the last word - even though it's the same nonsense repeated day after day, and never a discussion of a differing view put forward by someone else. Which has the consequence of most "someone elses" contributing less and less or leaving the Forum altogether.

(Doesn't apply to you, Julia, but Whiskers is on my Ignore list as of today.)

The only reason i Mod for ASF is that its a way for me to give back to ASF and Joe. 99% of the members here are good people, with others best interest at heart.

At the end of the day, its the ones with egos that ruin the place and keep moderators busy.

 

[nulla nulla]

I confess to misusing the ignore list. A while ago (over a year ago) i placed a member on ignore after i was tired of arguing (read:lost the argument).

Recently i deleted a bunch of off topic stuff out of a particular thread. I deleted more than i should have, a bit hasty in my moderation attempt. That member sent me a PM...which i of course did not receive, because they were still on ignore. I was just a bit lazy taking them off ignore even though i would still read their post and sometimes even respond.

Well after their PMs were unanswered they contacted Joe who promptly asked me to re-instate their posts, which i did.

I hope that member accepts my sincerest apologies....

Nothing personal Canoz but if I was the person who's post had been unfairly removed I would be offended by this vague apology. Having admitted the error, all this time after the event, it would convey more sincerity if you addressed it to the member concerned. I beleive that your doing so publicly would add more credibility to the sincerity of your apology.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The only reason i Mod for ASF is that its a way for me to give back to ASF and Joe. 99% of the members here are good people, with others best interest at heart.

At the end of the day, its the ones with egos that ruin the place and keep moderators busy.

I am very grateful to the moderators for their service to ASF. I could never do it, and doubt if I would be asked due to the size of my ego.

Without moderators, forums are dead in the water. For good or bad, right or wrong, they make calls, to keep the forum going, and impose order on a self opinionated rabble.

I myself, even, have been the subject of malediction by moderators, even when on reflection I have been innocent. C'est la vie.

Much as it goes against the grain, CanOz, I must laud you and agree.

I still reserve my right to assume all Anglo Canadians are soft left Methodists and clarify that I identify more with Les Quebecois.

gg

 

[CanOz]

Nothing personal Canoz but if I was the person who's post had been unfairly removed I would be offended by this vague apology. Having admitted the error, all this time after the event, it would convey more sincerity if you addressed it to the member concerned. I beleive that your doing so publicly would add more credibility to the sincerity of your apology.

I apologized to Julia in PM.

Apparently there is still a post that i need to re-instate though, so when get a few minutes i must try and have a look for that...

 

[nulla nulla]

I apologized to Julia in PM.

Apparently there is still a post that i need to re-instate though, so when get a few minutes i must try and have a look for that...

Good job, cheers.

 

[pixel]

The only reason i Mod for ASF is that its a way for me to give back to ASF and Joe. 99% of the members here are good people, with others best interest at heart.

At the end of the day, its the ones with egos that ruin the place and keep moderators busy.

I realise that, CanOz,
and "I dips me lid", as another Sentimental Bloke would say, in appreciation of the sterling job you do.

When I do come across an objectionable post - blatant ramps or SPAMvertising at the forefront - I usually shoot Joe a PM; but I'm much too aware of my own "Ego" that I'd like to make a call on every post/poster that might be deemed overstepping the line.

Yes, I do strive to "give back" by contributing to subjects close to my area of interest - maybe even "expertise". However, contrary to the impression my many posts may create, I do have a life outside Forums. Making trades and discussing the rationale behind some of them is only a part of it, but a large enough part as to not leave much spare time it would take to settle disputes. And if I skim over a couple that have been quoted in this thread, it appears that most of the bones of contention are way outside my area of interest, if not utterly ludicrous.

 

[burglar]

... Yes, I do strive to "give back"

@pixel
I too, enjoy this forum.
Most of all, I like the repartee of posters like yourself and cynic.

@CanOz,
I enjoy the level of moderation.
Some difficult posters here, but they add to the colours and flavours.

Any newbies reading this, please do not ask, "Which stock should I buy?"
'Cos I am dying to reply, "For Hungarian Goulash, buy Beef Stock!" :

 

[Julia]

I confess to misusing the ignore list. A while ago (over a year ago) i placed a member on ignore after i was tired of arguing (read:lost the argument).

FWIW, I can't see how any moderator can fairly adjudicate on a thread when he is not seeing all the relevant posts. If you have someone on Ignore because you feel you have 'lost an argument', then arbitrarily delete a post from that person, removing his/her right of reply to an offensive comment from another poster, which you subsequently carefully edited out, leaving the majority of the post intact, then that's imo just unfair and that was my objection at the time.

Well after their PMs were unanswered they contacted Joe who promptly asked me to re-instate their posts, which i did.

If you had, then there would have been no issue. I reported to Joe that my whole post had been removed, there was no mention of it being reinstated by anyone, I also sent a screenshot from my PM Sent box showing the PMs, and still heard nothing from you.

Apparently there is still a post that i need to re-instate though, so when get a few minutes i must try and have a look for that...

No need to bother. The subject has long passed and it's now irrelevant.

 

[trainspotter]

It would appear the word "respect" is missing in all of this. Some people earn it and some people expect it. The moderators have a tough gig as it is on this site.

Me personally ... they do a good job. I certainly would not tolerate 1/2 the stuff I throw up on the boards ... for sure. In saying that ... it's a website ... tomorrow I will be an astronaut on another forum.

I turn and look at my kids ... aaaahhhh ... all better now. Complexities of relevance in the scheme of things ... "Whats that son? ... you need more money?"

Now please don't take this as being mockng or as a sign of irrelevance ... peoples feelings are getting hurt. This is never a good thing., either in cyberspace or real life. It's just a matter of perception.

Crack on then shall we ?

 

[CanOz]

FWIW, I can't see how any moderator can fairly adjudicate on a thread when he is not seeing all the relevant posts. If you have someone on Ignore because you feel you have 'lost an argument', then arbitrarily delete a post from that person, removing his/her right of reply to an offensive comment from another poster, which you subsequently carefully edited out, leaving the majority of the post intact, then that's imo just unfair and that was my objection at the time.


If you had, then there would have been no issue. I reported to Joe that my whole post had been removed, there was no mention of it being reinstated by anyone, I also sent a screenshot from my PM Sent box showing the PMs, and still heard nothing from you.


No need to bother. The subject has long passed and it's now irrelevant.

And there we go, back on ignore.

Why did I Farking bother....

 

[nulla nulla]

And there we go, back on ignore.....

If this post is genuine, I find it amazing. How can a moderator moderate if they put other posters on "ignore"?

Why did I Farking bother....

A couple of reasons: To display "objectivity", "impartiality", "fairness", even if your personal opinions and perspective differ from that of the other poster(s).

 

[waza1960]

Yes even though its tough I think Joe should have a rule that moderators can't use ignore

 

[pixel]

Yes even though its tough I think Joe should have a rule that moderators can't use ignore

It may have been unwise for CanOz to comment on some event that goes back a year ago, even though initially, I considered his public apology a nice human touch. Unfortunately, it dragged up memories in the other party, who replied (unnecessarily, if you ask me) in a way that suggested the apology hadn't really been accepted.

If it wasn't for n-n and waza's critical remarks, I wouldn't have bothered. But I feel another point of view should be aired in support of CanOz:
The entire debate on the issue of Moderating seems to ignore a couple of facts:

• Moderators are human beings, whose feelings can be just as easily affected as anybody else's.
• If ordinary contributors display any of the attributes that Joe listed as not strictly contravening Forum Rules, a reader can dismiss such posts as petty, argumentative, bad taste, ... and skip. A Moderator still has to read on and possibly react, no matter how sick he gets of it.
• If you want to make a Mod's job even harder by supporting a tiny number of quarrelsome, petty contributions and demanding even more rules of "democracy" and "fairness" be introduced, Joe will soon find himself without any volunteers for the job.

Before you get stuck into CanOz, consider the circumstances, how hard it can be to be forced to take the opponent's side when when you are the other. And if you believe you can do a better job, send a PM to Joe and volunteer. I know I couldn't, so won't.

 

[Porper]

Before you get stuck into CanOz, consider the circumstances, how hard it can be to be forced to take the opponent's side when when you are the other. And if you believe you can do a better job, send a PM to Joe and volunteer. I know I couldn't, so won't.

I agree totally. Being a moderator is a thankless task and they do a great job on here. However they won't satisfy everybody all of the time. That's just a consequence of the job. And plenty on here have massive ego's which won't make it easy. Keep going CanOz.

 

[kid hustlr]

fwiw I think CanOz does a tremendous job

 

[basilio]

OK I'll throw my observations into this conversation.

I can't say I have enjoyed much of the conversation and direction of ASF in the last 12 months (and longer) . Frankly I would describe the atmosphere as poisonous.

In my view it's apparent that the overriding political tone is far, farright wing. It goes as far as members making gratuitous insults to anyone and everyone who doesn't believe that TA and the far right of the Liberal party are God's gift to Australia. (I got bashed when I quoted Malcolm Turnballs views!!) One of the consequences is that people with other points of view give up the conversation.

I'd like to defend Whiskers and his contributions to this forum. I don't necessarily agree with him but (again IMO) I think he offers logical arguments and some decent research. Again IMO while the posts might be long to longish I believe he tries to get his point across as concisely can be achieved while being logical and showing where he gets his evidence.

Once-upon-a-time I tried to use evidence and logic to back up my comments. Unfortunately short, sharp derision and abuse are the quickest and most common response in ASF to views that are not acceptable to ..... (whoever wants to put their hand up)

Joe Blow has suggested that the nastiest comments in ASF are only confined to a few threads. CC for one and the political threads.

True. But what is also true is that these threads appear to form the majority of the current activity. Unfortunately the stock threads are low in content (and I actually still do contribute) and other more neutral threads that might inspire a more positive tone peter out quickly. Or so it seems.

In previous threads I opened discussion on people showing more respect for fellow members. One on the contributions I offered was noting the types of behaviour requested/expected from members on other forums. There are forums that don't allow people to trash each other without consequence.

I don't accept that just because this is a Stock forum with mostly older, conservative men as the main protagonists that we can't ask for more civilised and thoughtful responses.

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[waza1960]

If it wasn't for n-n and waza's critical remarks,

My comments weren't meant to be critical at all certainly not to Canoz who I regard as one of my few friends
and who gives an incredible amount of time and support to fellow traders.

I was simply stating that procedurally mods not using the ignore function was prudent.