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rederob said:
These are give-away phrases:
village idiot
playing the man
bad faith actor
a p1ssed off one
your mob​
The above were used by wayneL without substantiation.
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Do we have to vote on the above or something?
 
It would seem Albo is having a trail by fire, with the unions, it sounds like the ETU is getting involved with the John Setka issue now.
 
sptrawler said:
It would seem Albo is having a trail by fire, with the unions, it sounds like the ETU is getting involved with the John Setka issue now.
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John setka is getting stitched up. It wasn't his comments about batty. It was the wasted $12 million the union lost on advertising and pr thinking they would reap the contract and policy rewards.
Setka threatened to pull funding and Albo and the labor party lost their sht.

Good luck getting rid of Setka. The unions couldn't ask for a better person that will go in boots and all and the members know it.
 
moXJO said:
John setka is getting stitched up. It wasn't his comments about batty. It was the wasted $12 million the union lost on advertising and pr thinking they would reap the contract and policy rewards.
Setka threatened to pull funding and Albo and the labor party lost their sht.

Good luck getting rid of Setka. The unions couldn't ask for a better person that will go in boots and all and the members know it.
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I disagree. They can definitely ask for a better person. John Setka is an A-grade thug and everything that's repulsive about militant unions in this country. Disappoint the likes of Setka and you'll never look at an avocado the same way again. Just ask Kevin Rudd :)

The ALP need to disassociate with the CMMMMMMFEU and reconnect with the ordinary working people who voted for Liberal in the last 3 elections.
 
PZ99 said:
I disagree. They can definitely ask for a better person. John Setka is an A-grade thug and everything that's repulsive about militant unions in this country. Disappoint the likes of Setka and you'll never look at an avocado the same way again. Just ask Kevin Rudd :)

The ALP need to disassociate with the CMMMMMMFEU and reconnect with the ordinary working people who voted for Liberal in the last 3 elections.
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I agree, professionally I want him gone.
You know what I'm like with these types of union guys.
However if you need a guy to fight in your corner then its hard to go past setka. The guy gives it his all.
 
moXJO said:
I agree, professionally I want him gone.
You know what I'm like with these types of union guys.
However if you need a guy to fight in your corner then its hard to go past setka. The guy gives it his all.
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Agree the union movement particularly areas like construction have to have the likes of Setka bigger the thug the better.
Whats never discussed is that often the other side are criminals or utterly ruthless individuals at least it was in my day doubt much has changed other than the criminalising of union activities that remove their ability to organise.
 
IFocus said:
Agree the union movement particularly areas like construction have to have the likes of Setka bigger the thug the better.
Whats never discussed is that often the other side are criminals or utterly ruthless individuals at least it was in my day doubt much has changed other than the criminalising of union activities that remove their ability to organise.
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I have had some terrible site managers on site. Plenty of dust ups. A few that were bipolar and just some ridiculous stuff going on.

There are plenty of union reps I wouldn't p1ss on if they were on fire. And I'm sure I've moaned about setka before. But he is a man of strong convictions that has fought with all he has for his members. And at a personal toll to himself.
I do believe in balance, as much as I may dislike or complain about something.

If he is outed for corruption fair enough. If its a political hit then it doesn't wash.
 
At last the truth starts filtering out, what a bunch of idiots. IMO

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...edit-refunds-in-one-year-20190716-p527p1.html

From the article:
Mr Smith said Labor should have applied a means test to its policy to ensure that only rich Australians lost the entitlement. As previously reported, Labor considered doing this but decided against it because it would have robbed the party of billions in potential revenue.

They just can't help themselves, looking after the little man? As if.:rolleyes:
If they started to focus on what Labor is, they would get somewhere, but it is difficult when the party is run by chardonnay sipping intellectuals.
 
Caveman said:
Can you clarify here?Was the $500000.00 a refund or simply a tax reduction MR smith received?
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It was his franking credits, on his share portfolio, by the sound of it.
Which means he has a hell of a lot of shares.:eek:
I can't believe it was a refund per se, probably a tax reduction. IMO
 
The last 3 Prime Ministers have been Liberal and still harping on about Labor

Great diversionary tactics. ...did you learn that from uncle Rupert
 
Knobby22 said:
Note who published it and who investigated it.
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I noticed it was the Grattan Institute, which are normally fairly pro left and Labor, Labor were going to roll out the same policy last election. It is a shame that for every Government handout, there is always people who will rort it, the underlying idea to provide below market rent for the underprivileged is good.
 
sptrawler said:
I noticed it was the Grattan Institute, which are normally fairly pro left and Labor, Labor were going to roll out the same policy last election. It is a shame that for every Government handout, there is always people who will rort it, the underlying idea to provide below market rent for the underprivileged is good.
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They have good ideas that all the politicians ignore as they are not aligned with the think tanks of either party. (IPA Liberal), Menzies Research Centre (Liberal) Chifley Research Centre (Labor), John Curtain Research Centre (Labor) Fabian Society (Labor).

They claim to be independent and are disliked by the Conservatives and Labor alike and of course as an independent voice greatly hated by the Murdoch Press.
 
I note the Labor Party (except for the very average Kristina Keneally) have generally pulled their heads in. And even Kristina has shut up since receiving major criticism from within the party.
Nothing like being in opposition purgatory once again to concentrate thought.
 
Knobby22 said:
I note the Labor Party (except for the very average Kristina Keneally) have generally pulled their heads in. And even Kristina has shut up since receiving major criticism from within the party.
Nothing like being in opposition purgatory once again to concentrate thought.
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Both parties, seem to have a lack of attention seekers, at last politicians who don't want to be t.v stars.:xyxthumbs
Now all we need, is the media to move on to some positive news reporting and maybe people will relax their sphincters and get on with their lives.:roflmao:
 
Kristina Keneally merely confirms my view she was a poor choice to run for the Bennelong byelection. Labor should have won that seat hands down but lost and I can't see them winning any federal elections anytime soon with their current leadership.
 
Pretty honest review of where Labor find themselves, hopefully they can re invent themselves, the last thing Australia needs is an ineffective opposition.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...g-including-bill-shorten-20191107-p538g2.html
From the article:
Dr Emerson, once Bob Hawke's economics adviser and later a Queensland MP during the Rudd-Gillard years, gave a hair-raising reading of where the Labor Party now finds itself.

Trying hard to sound calm and analytical, he noted that low-income and job-insecure voters in the outer metropolitan and regional areas had swung away from the party, while high-income and highly-educated urban types had swung towards Labor.

Calm? This was an analysis of desolation for a party established to represent workers .

Emerson simply noted, wall-eyed, that centre-left parties across the world were suffering similar fates.

Later, he observed that Labor has a fair bit of trouble winning elections from opposition. Quite. The ALP has managed to do such a thing only thrice since World War 2 [Whitlam in 1972, Hawke in 1983 and Rudd in 2007).

The review itself shone more unwelcome light on the predicament.

"Labor has failed to win a majority in the House of Representatives in eight of its last nine starts," it says on the very first of those 90 pages.

And here was Labor in 2019: the party of rich urbanites, shunned by insecure workers.


Well that analysis kind of echoes, what we were saying on ASF, at least it is a honest appraisal of the election.IMO
 
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