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SirRumpole said:
If you want to depress the economy, then depress the consumer spending that makes up 60% of the economy.

Sure you want to avoid wage inflation, but people on low wages are doing it tough because of rising costs especially power, insurance and other charges. Small business has had a tax cut, so it's time to pass some of that on to their employees.
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I agree with the tax point, the way to increase wages is with a tax cut, that needs to be passed on.
To just give a large blanket raise to the minimum wage, just causes a knock on effect, due to relativity. All of a sudden the worker on rung one of the ladder, is getting more than the one on rung two etc.
The real fear is run away inflation, as happened in the mid 1970's, that will end up with the Aust dollar collapsing.
But who knows, that may be the plan, the whole Labor plan sounds like it came from Keating.
It is far too clever and cunning, for silly Billy and don't care Chris, to come up with. IMO
Also it is probably the only way the unions would have got on board, the way it affects the working class, there has to be something in it for the union.
So my guess is the union run Industry Funds, therefore by default the union hierarchy, do well.
The workers get a pay rise, the $ goes down, which counteracts the pay rises. Everything costs more, but we end up more competitive, with a lower living standard but cheaper housing.
Let's see how it pans out. Just my opinion.
 
PZ99 said:
There's nothing complex about it - you only have to look at history.

The balance had been right for the best part of 30 years. During that time we went from 10% unemployment - high inflation - high Govt debt to 4% unemployment - low inflation and no Govt debt in 2007... all with penalty rates intact. It was only after the Coaltion unbalanced the IR laws that businesses started believing they could operate with a permanent regime of low wage growth and confiscated employee benefits.

Look how well that worked out. We have the reserve bank stating that low wage growth is holding back the economy which can only be fixed with a minimum 3% payrise per annum.

Businesses and Govts are only offering half that amount. If a business becomes non viable as a result of winding back the IR laws to just two years ago then you really have to ask yourself just viable it was in the first place.
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I think there's major global factors at play which help explain why everything went so well in Australia for those 30 years. Huge expansion in household & corporate debt, a once in 100-year mining boom and consistently falling interest rates meant that cash poured into the economy (CHINA!!). That party ended in 2008. I don't think you can attribute much of that period of success to IR laws.
 
Junior said:
I think there's major global factors at play which help explain why everything went so well in Australia for those 30 years. Huge expansion in household & corporate debt, a once in 100-year mining boom and consistently falling interest rates meant that cash poured into the economy (CHINA!!). That party ended in 2008. I don't think you can attribute much of that period of success to IR laws.
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Equally, I don't think we can attribute our current economic failures to IR laws either.
Other issues, yes, such as those in my previous post.

I will note however, in that 30 year period, we deregulated trading hours and retail workers agreed to work weekends in exchange for penalty rates. All evidence suggests it worked very well. There's no evidence of it being a failure in any period, including the GFC.
 
PZ99 said:
If shops are going to close because of penalty rates they must be non viable anyway.

It's time to move away from this Cambodian style of employment. If shops close on Sunday they'll merely trade on another day and more employees will get their family time back.

All up - I think it's worth it. We work to live - not live to work.
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Going back a day or so to one of your older posts PZ99.
Here is something in the 'West Australian', that highlights exactly what you are saying about work to live, as opposed to live to work.

https://thewest.com.au/news/social/...young-people-from-getting-jobs-ng-b881135532z

I was talking with a mate of mine the other day, who I did my apprenticeship with, he now works for the council. He was saying the best workers, on the junk collection, are foreign.
 
sptrawler said:
Going back a day or so to one of your older posts PZ99.
Here is something in the 'West Australian', that highlights exactly what you are saying about work to live, as opposed to live to work.

https://thewest.com.au/news/social/...young-people-from-getting-jobs-ng-b881135532z

I was talking with a mate of mine the other day, who I did my apprenticeship with, he now works for the council. He was saying the best workers, on the junk collection, are foreign.
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On the other side of the coin I remember a post from another member saying young jobseekers are finding work at firms such as McDonalds because they are motivated to do so.

That article highlights the very problem I've been alluding to: Somehow it's become the responsibility of those who are already doing the hard yards to cop further sacrifices to make it easier for work to come to the front door of demotivated unemployed who don't want to work.

If someone has developed a sense of entitlement - no amount of wage stifling is going to help them and it certainly won't help any other worker.
 
PZ99 said:
On the other side of the coin I remember a post from another member saying young jobseekers are finding work at firms such as McDonalds because they are motivated to do so.

That article highlights the very problem I've been alluding to: Somehow it's become the responsibility of those who are already doing the hard yards to cop further sacrifices to make it easier for work to come to the front door of demotivated unemployed who don't want to work.

If someone has developed a sense of entitlement - no amount of wage stifling is going to help them and it certainly won't help any other worker.
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You are right, I think they have run out of ideas, on how to get people to work.

It is time they tried something new, and I think it is coming.:xyxthumbs
 
sptrawler said:
Going back a day or so to one of your older posts PZ99.
Here is something in the 'West Australian', that highlights exactly what you are saying about work to live, as opposed to live to work.

https://thewest.com.au/news/social/...young-people-from-getting-jobs-ng-b881135532z

I was talking with a mate of mine the other day, who I did my apprenticeship with, he now works for the council. He was saying the best workers, on the junk collection, are foreign.
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Yeah people without local support and family are easy to manipulate
As for the story in the Worst Australian all them words but fails to disclose the pay rate.
The trouble with type of employment is these people usually conveniently don’t bring up health and safety problems either.
 
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"There will be no carbon tax...." :D

https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...n/news-story/4136a8900dec9ff93623330c482f160b
 
He and Chris Bowen just need a top hat and twirly moustache.

Under a Labor government, tough times ahead for Nanna:

Denied her tax refund - because she's old and an easy target.

Regulated out of her Corolla to go to the shops in - as only a $30k electric Prius will be ideologically acceptable now, which she can't afford to buy. Shame on the NRMA for heartlessly caving in to this nonsense.
 
Logique said:
He and Chris Bowen just need a top hat and twirly moustache.

Under a Labor government, tough times ahead for Nanna:

Denied her tax refund - because she's old and an easy target.

Regulated out of her Corolla to go to the shops in - as only a $30k electric Prius will be ideologically acceptable now, which she can't afford to buy. Shame on the NRMA for heartlessly caving in to this nonsense.
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Yeah I saw the NRMA article - utter garbage and not practical in this country with its vast distances between major cities. And adding a carbon tax to your power bill isn't exactly going to spark an electric car revolution.
 
Logique said:
He and Chris Bowen just need a top hat and twirly moustache.

Under a Labor government, tough times ahead for Nanna:

Denied her tax refund - because she's old and an easy target.

Regulated out of her Corolla to go to the shops in - as only a $30k electric Prius will be ideologically acceptable now, which she can't afford to buy. Shame on the NRMA for heartlessly caving in to this nonsense.
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My God you do sprout such questionable ideological dribble Loqique ! Do you ever listen to some of the stuff you say and check it for reality ?

Dear Nanna can still keep her trusty Corolla. She doesn't have to buy a new electric car.
But if she does there is a hybrid Coralla for the same price as her petrol model but it just uses half the petrol.. And if it is a newer fully electric car it will be even cheaper to run and have FA servicing costs.

Electric cars are the way to go in the near future . Cleaner, more reliable, far more economical and getting cheaper by the year.

Yes we do have to get a handle on a ton of new renewable energy sources and storage capacity as well to enable these cars to be charged. But Nanna might just decide that these could be a tidy little investment that earn her as much as her current share portfolio.

And what part of this story is ridiculous?

https://www.mynrma.com.au/membership/benefits/features/ready-for-the-electric-future
 
The cost of living is going to go through the roof. :xyxthumbs

Chaotic, crisis management will be back on the agenda, Kev could well be given a call up.:roflmao:
 
sptrawler said:
Interesting take on Labor's cancer plans.

https://thewest.com.au/opinion/paul...ill-for-shortens-cancer-policy-ng-b881163102z

It sounds like another rort just waiting to happen. IMO
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SirRumpole said:
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Still valid points and makes sense, if I put a list of left leaning radio and tv broadcasters here, Joe would need more web space.:roflmao:
Oh I forgot, you can only post left leaning comments on here, another space hi jacked.:xyxthumbs
 
I see Chris Bowen has thrown his hat into the ring, for the leadership, best of luck with that.
If you dont like it, vote for someone else, will haunt him for the rest of his political career. IMO
Imagine if he was in control of both houses, with that attitude, he has made himself an easy target.
Shame really, I thought he did a great job as shadow immigration minister, worst case of foot in mouth Ive seen.
Im in the dr surgery atm, I need something to get the smile off my face, its been there since Saturday.lol
 
Tough choice for Labor - play to their former working class base, or the inner city, guilt ridden, virtue signalling trendies who regard the working class as toothless, knuckle dragging troglodytes, fit only to be gardeners and tyre changers for their Beamer.
 
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